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OrgoneConclusion
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The very first homo sapiens
#14547048 - 06/01/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That whole concept makes no sense to say the first humans appeared so many hundreds of thousands of years ago. What were they X hundred thousand years + 1?
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It is absurd to call anything human, but we do it and pretend it means something.
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OrgoneConclusion said: That whole concept makes no sense to say the first humans appeared so many hundreds of thousands of years ago. What were they X hundred thousand years + 1?
Homo sapiens neanderthalis, and before that, Homo erectus.
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: xFrockx]
#14548178 - 06/01/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: It is absurd to call anything human, but we do it and pretend it means something.
It's a workable way to describe percieved distinct formations of matter. Why do you find that absurd?
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There is no planet named Pluto since August 24, 2006. Is it correct to say that the planet Pluto ceased to exist on that date? Or did it fade away from existence long before that?
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: Rhizoid]
#14549568 - 06/02/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What will go next? Micky? Daffy?
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: 4896744]
#14549737 - 06/02/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's like we're all in "The Chinese Room" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room) but none of us knows chinese, and yet somehow, we all can have conversations. If that's not absurd I don't know what is.
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: NetDiver]
#14549778 - 06/02/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: That whole concept makes no sense to say the first humans appeared so many hundreds of thousands of years ago. What were they X hundred thousand years + 1?
Homo sapiens neanderthalis, and before that, Homo erectus. 
So one generation was a distinct species from the next?
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: xFrockx]
#14550224 - 06/02/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: It's like we're all in "The Chinese Room" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room) but none of us knows chinese, and yet somehow, we all can have conversations. If that's not absurd I don't know what is.
So you are saying that we don't understand what "human" means? It's just a workable percieved distinction that we named. If you consider that to not be "understanding" then you undermine the "chinese room" argument, for in your view there is no such thing as understanding.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Samurai Drifter said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: That whole concept makes no sense to say the first humans appeared so many hundreds of thousands of years ago. What were they X hundred thousand years + 1?
Homo sapiens neanderthalis, and before that, Homo erectus. 
So one generation was a distinct species from the next?
Why not? The distinction is arbitrary, we can put it where ever we like and make it as definite or fuzzy as we like.
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: 4896744]
#14550276 - 06/02/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"So you are saying that we don't understand what "human" means?"
I don't know about we. I don't. Do you? What does it mean to be human?
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: xFrockx]
#14550286 - 06/02/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "So you are saying that we don't understand what "human" means?"
I don't know about we. I don't. Do you? What does it mean to be human?
It means that we fit our own percieved distinction in matter which we label as "human".
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: DieCommie]
#14550288 - 06/02/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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they are not technically homo sapiens. but are similar. they all fall in the same genus. what they mean by human is species from the genus Homo. and before that they were more closely related to apes and monkeys
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: xFrockx]
#14550310 - 06/02/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "So you are saying that we don't understand what "human" means?"
I don't know about we. I don't. Do you? What does it mean to be human?
Meaning? I don't got to show you no meaning!
Being human means this.
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: 4896744]
#14550311 - 06/02/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"It means that we fit our own percieved distinction in matter which we label as "human"."
And what if you don't have one, or the one you have doesn't really mean anything?
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: Icelander]
#14550317 - 06/02/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So if Marvin the Martian understand what a wink is, then he is human? What does a wink mean anyway? I'm not sure I know.
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: xFrockx]
#14550319 - 06/02/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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And what if you don't have one, or the one you have doesn't really mean anything?
Your day to day actions most likely reflect the meaning you give to being human. Nice try however.
There is no way to know if anything means anything or what we think it means. That won't stop us from typing out our reply however.
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: xFrockx]
#14550392 - 06/02/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "It means that we fit our own percieved distinction in matter which we label as "human"."
And what if you don't have one, or the one you have doesn't really mean anything?
By "our" i meant the scientific definition. We all fit under that percieved distinction in matter.
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So one generation was a distinct species from the next?
One way to define "species" is "a group of individuals sufficiently genetically similar to bear offspring".
In a practical sense, there is a gray area when species differentiate.
For example, there is a *single* species of leopard frog whose habitat ranges from northeastern US to southeastern US. Morphologically, they all appear identical. However, genetically the northern frogs are subtly different from the southern ones.
In the north, they all can mate and produce viable fertilized eggs. The same happens in the south. However, in the middle, the viability of their fertilized eggs drops off abruptly. Some young are still born in the middle latitudes, but most eggs never mature.
Over the decades, the viability rate has been steadily declining as different selective pressures on the north and south populations distinguish their two genomes and make them less compatible.
Eventually, none of the matings of north and south frogs will yield any young at all and at that point it can be said that they have diverged into two distinct species. This doesn't happen overnight. It's a gradual process over geologic time; thousands to millions of years.
Does that make sense?
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Re: The very first homo sapiens [Re: Icelander]
#14550720 - 06/02/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Your day to day actions most likely reflect the meaning you give to being human. "
Huh? Reflect with what, and onto what? Metaphorical nonsense.
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