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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14574563 - 06/07/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe i am BROussy
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dshow
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: dshow]
#14574575 - 06/07/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its a good thang we got people like me keeping people like you from polluting the system.
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: dshow]
#14574591 - 06/07/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dshow said: Its a good thang we got people like me keeping people like you from polluting the system.
Get over yourself.
The system is broken and ill-advised.
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: saxx]
#14574607 - 06/07/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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LuigisDeathRace
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: dshow]
#14575249 - 06/07/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DrGreenThumb865
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: LuigisDeathRace]
#14575379 - 06/07/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The law is most likely unconstitutional...
A Michigan law similar to this one was struck down in 2000 and affirmed in 2003 by the 6th Circuit. Michigan lawmakers had enacted a law allowing for suspicion-less searches of welfare recipients. A class action lawsuit was brought by applicants alleging that these drug tests violated the Fourth Amendment. The applicants won.
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
#14578890 - 06/08/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I grew up in a situation where everyone around me was trading food stamps for booze/drugs. I've seen rounds of poker being played with food stamps and joints as currency.
Surely, things have changed with the EBT cards and whatnot, but I know from experience, users will always find a way to use. Maybe they'll trade 6lbs. of filet mignon's they bought with their card for a half oz. or whatever...
The not-testing-for-booze thing is a bit ridiculous though. Back in the day, my mom got a check she could cash, in addition to food stamps. She'd cash that check and her and my stepdad would be right at the bar drinking it away. For the first ten years of my life, I'd say the taxpayers and the government threw my mother/stepdad a hell of a party!
Obviously, I think the testing is a great idea. But I have *a lot* of negative feelings towards the welfare system all around. The above is a HUGE part of that.
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Rev Drucifer] 1
#14579645 - 06/08/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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so a couple bad apples justify violating the majorities rights to be free of targeted drug testing eh ? thats the same kind of reasoning that is behind the patriot act , 1 event causing the stripping of rights for the whole country ...
i mean lets just forget the fact that the shit economy in this country is almost a direct result of copious foreign aid , a 10 year war in the middle east , and countless jobs/contracts being sent overseas ... but here we are attacking the less fortunate ppl in our own country for bringing down the economy ... too funny
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: cyantific]
#14582549 - 06/08/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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cyantific said: so a couple bad apples justify violating the majorities rights to be free of targeted drug testing eh ? thats the same kind of reasoning that is behind the patriot act , 1 event causing the stripping of rights for the whole country ...
i mean lets just forget the fact that the shit economy in this country is almost a direct result of copious foreign aid , a 10 year war in the middle east , and countless jobs/contracts being sent overseas ... but here we are attacking the less fortunate ppl in our own country for bringing down the economy ... too funny
How is it attacking our own people? I mean hell your getting free stuff.
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: PassiveAgressive]
#16360688 - 06/10/12 11:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've scanned all the comments on this thread, and there's one very important key piece of information that seems to have escaped us all:
Cost of Florida's Drug Testing: ~$178,000,000 Percentage Denied Benefits: ~2% Amount Saved by Denying Benefits: ~$60,000
TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS: ~$177,000,000
Anyone here who thinks this is going to save taxpayer money, is a MORON. Fact is, this program will just make 100 times more of your tax money go to the drug testing companies, which Gov. Walker founded:
"While the state of Florida may not save much money from rejected applicants, drug-testing has led to a personal windfall for Scott who founded the company awarded the sole contract for the testing. In April, he sold his stock for $62 million." (PLSWEB.ORG)
This is just a wedge issue, plain and simple. It's using one group of people to attack another group of people, while the ones promoting the conflict are the ones selling pitchforks and torches, and taking everyone's money. If you support such policies, you support the police state, oppressive drug control laws, and everything that comes with.
If you support such horrendously taxpayer money wasting policies for some selfish-righteous moralistic financially-based principle, you're a fucking MORON. It's going to cost you 100 times more to keep a handful of welfare cheats from getting high on tax money, than it would cost to just let them get high.
This law doubles down on drug criminalization. If you support increased drug criminalization, I can understand supporting this law. Otherwise, you've been sold a bill of goods. This law does not do what you think it does, it just wastes MORE of your tax money.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002295591 http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/aug/24/3/welfare-drug-testing-yields-2-percent-positive-res-ar-252458/ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-florida-welfare-drug-tests.html http://pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/florida-drug-test-results.html http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/florida-didnt-save-money-by-drug-testing-welfare-recipients-data-shows/1225721
So again... if you think this is going to save your or your state taxpayer money, you are a MORON. You're getting all righteous about a kid stealing a piece of bubblegum, but don't seem to notice the shop owner overcharging you by $50 (supposedly to keep you from having to be overcharged to pay for the 5 cent piece of bubble gum).
It appeals to moralistic minds, but it doesn't make one bit of economic sense. The fact that so many here are incensed about the economic issues of welfare drug use, but fail to consider the economic impact of the testing itself, indicates a lot of people aren't thinking clearly and rationally.
Besides, you think they won't eventually come for you too? Good luck with that.
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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: h4x354x0r]
#16360749 - 06/10/12 11:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^god damn are you ever correct sir, thank you
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