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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14569040 - 06/06/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm:

what?  i would hate socialism so i should aim for fullbore communism instead?

welfare is a fundamental right, eh?  where exactly is that documented?

so this "right" overrides anyone else's right to their property?  paul has a "right" to peter's stuff if he doesn't have enough of his own?

it is this mindset that has resulted in the downfall of every great human civilization throughout history.  hopefully the US will be different, but the fact that individuals such as yourself believe this crap doesn't make me hopeful.  this is the rot at the core of the system.

democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch.  in your world, if the pauls make up 51% of the voting population, there is nothing to stop them from oppressing the 49% peters.  this is why we have a constitution, to prevent the looting of other people's property and wealth that you are advocating.


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Yrat] * 4
    #14569053 - 06/06/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

bet youre a little rich boy that had a silver spoon up his ass his whole life until someone in the family died and left you a nice little starting package in the game of life ... i got a 7 month old and a record form 15 years ago keeping me out of work .... im on foodstamps right now and i trade mush for all my bud ... so basically you support the government taking food out of my babies mouth because i get high ... i mean lets just forget the government put most of us in this position in the first place utilizing the resources of the country for their own agendas ... but hells yeah you say lets fuck some more ppl over ! you act like welfare is the sole reason for our shit economy ... why dont you support ending pointless wars or other out of touch government agendas rather than going after the less fortunate ... pampered scumbag


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Yrat]
    #14569058 - 06/06/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yrat said:
:facepalm:

what?  i would hate socialism so i should aim for fullbore communism instead?

welfare is a fundamental right, eh?  where exactly is that documented?

so this "right" overrides anyone else's right to their property?  paul has a "right" to peter's stuff if he doesn't have enough of his own?

it is this mindset that has resulted in the downfall of every great human civilization throughout history.  hopefully the US will be different, but the fact that individuals such as yourself believe this crap doesn't make me hopeful.  this is the rot at the core of the system.





Where is it documented?!?!? Read a history textbook jesus!!

The first social welfare program was instituted AFTER THE GREAT DEPRESSION. Your an idiot dude, no ones "right to property" is infringed upon by welfare, my lord. After the 1996 reforms, the idea of welfare was changed from "living off the government" to "help while finding employment", so you have no reason to complain anyway. Money was tremendously cut, and the reforms basically make it IMPOSSIBLE to live comfortably off of social welfare. Your so ignorant on this subject you don't even understand what your defending


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14569063 - 06/06/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

And the China comment was a joke dude ~


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"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero



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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: cyantific]
    #14569068 - 06/06/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol, when your argument fails you can always resort to ad hominem and personal attacks.  there's quite a high correlation there.

and nope, you're wrong.  no silver spoon here.  just a hard worker who doesn't want a dime that he hasn't earned.

i don't support government taking food out of your babies mouth.  what you don't realize is that "food" was taken from someone else using government force.  as soon as you believe you have a "right" to someone else's stuff, and you can take it by using government force as a tool for confiscating from other individuals, your society is headed down a dangerous road to destruction.

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why dont you support ending pointless wars or other out of touch government agendas rather than going after the less fortunate ... pampered scumbag




i do support ending the wars.  and all the other unsustainable agendas.  i'm all for individual, constitutional, inalienable rights.  one of which is the right to my property and the fruits of my labor.  don't get me wrong.  i can VOLUNTARILY DONATE as much money to charity that i want, but i don't agree with using government force as a tool for experiments in social engineering that require the violation of individual rights for the "greater good."

  i don't agree with robbing peter to pay paul.  you do.  fine.  as long as you are aware of your position, we agree to disagree.


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: cyantific]
    #14569073 - 06/06/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you act like welfare is the sole reason for our shit economy



No but its a big reason.  “We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes nonwork”-Milton Friedman


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14569076 - 06/06/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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LongStrangeTrip said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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what the fuck does being on welfare have to do with drug use ?




It's been said several times. If you have money to spend on recreational drugs, you don't need welfare.





Ya know, a "hard drug addict" would find little comfort in 300 dollars a month. You think that kind of money would support a habit? Come on, please, there is no way. Many hard drug addicts steal and do terrible things to get that money.

Which actually supports my point; these people need help, not punishments. That is one of the major problems with our countries entire outlook on drug enforcement, and why this shit will never go away. You treat them like monsters, lock* them up and throw away the key, and what, you think 5 years later they will walk out of prison ready to be "good"? No, those 5 years just turned them into a REAL criminal, and now they are 10 times a bigger problem. This legislation helps nothing




So, we've established one poster put little to no thought into their response. Now, you've made it clear you don't take the time to read the words of the person you are responding to.

Do you dazzle people that way on a regular basis?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14569087 - 06/06/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yrat said:
lol, when your argument fails you can always resort to ad hominem and personal attacks.  there's quite a high correlation there.

and nope, you're wrong.  no silver spoon here.  just a hard worker who doesn't want a dime that he hasn't earned.

i don't support government taking food out of your babies mouth.  what you don't realize is that "food" was taken from someone else using government force.  as soon as you believe you have a "right" to someone else's stuff, and you can take it by using government force as a tool for confiscating from other individuals, your society is headed down a dangerous road to destruction.





The government does not steal from YOU to pay for social welfare, I am sorry but you live in a fantasy world. Is paying taxes "robbing" you to? Yea America is not for you for suuure....


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LongStrangeTrip said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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what the fuck does being on welfare have to do with drug use ?




It's been said several times. If you have money to spend on recreational drugs, you don't need welfare.





Ya know, a "hard drug addict" would find little comfort in 300 dollars a month. You think that kind of money would support a habit? Come on, please, there is no way. Many hard drug addicts steal and do terrible things to get that money.

Which actually supports my point; these people need help, not punishments. That is one of the major problems with our countries entire outlook on drug enforcement, and why this shit will never go away. You treat them like monsters, lock* them up and throw away the key, and what, you think 5 years later they will walk out of prison ready to be "good"? No, those 5 years just turned them into a REAL criminal, and now they are 10 times a bigger problem. This legislation helps nothing




So, we've established one poster put little to no thought into their response. Now, you've made it clear you don't take the time to read the words of the person you are responding to.

Do you dazzle people that way on a regular basis?





I don't understand why you think I put no thought into this. You are not right that "if you have the money to spend on drugs, you don't need welfare", sorry dude that's just not true all the time.


I don't need to convince anyone, and I am not attacking anyone, I am just trying to speak some sanity. I will stop cluttering the board so there is more room for you guys to cry about the crimes of social welfare.


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"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony

"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero



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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14569120 - 06/06/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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LongStrangeTrip said:
Quote:

Yrat said:
lol, when your argument fails you can always resort to ad hominem and personal attacks.  there's quite a high correlation there.

and nope, you're wrong.  no silver spoon here.  just a hard worker who doesn't want a dime that he hasn't earned.

i don't support government taking food out of your babies mouth.  what you don't realize is that "food" was taken from someone else using government force.  as soon as you believe you have a "right" to someone else's stuff, and you can take it by using government force as a tool for confiscating from other individuals, your society is headed down a dangerous road to destruction.





The government does not steal from YOU to pay for social welfare, I am sorry but you live in a fantasy world. Is paying taxes "robbing" you to? Yea America is not for you for suuure....




They take money from me under threat of violence and/or imprisonment. Sure as hell is theft. The constitution limits the powers of the federal fuckheads. Nowhere does it say that the feds can redistribute income.


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luvdemshrooms said:
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LongStrangeTrip said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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cyantific said:
what the fuck does being on welfare have to do with drug use ?




It's been said several times. If you have money to spend on recreational drugs, you don't need welfare.





Ya know, a "hard drug addict" would find little comfort in 300 dollars a month. You think that kind of money would support a habit? Come on, please, there is no way. Many hard drug addicts steal and do terrible things to get that money.

Which actually supports my point; these people need help, not punishments. That is one of the major problems with our countries entire outlook on drug enforcement, and why this shit will never go away. You treat them like monsters, lock* them up and throw away the key, and what, you think 5 years later they will walk out of prison ready to be "good"? No, those 5 years just turned them into a REAL criminal, and now they are 10 times a bigger problem. This legislation helps nothing




So, we've established one poster put little to no thought into their response. Now, you've made it clear you don't take the time to read the words of the person you are responding to.

Do you dazzle people that way on a regular basis?





I don't understand why you think I put no thought into this.




It's painfully obvious. If you have the ability to get high, you have the ability to do without my money. You have either spent my money, or you have spent your time. Spend your time looking for work.


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You are not right that "if you have the money to spend on drugs, you don't need welfare", sorry dude that's just not true all the time.




It is indeed true. If you have money to spend on recreational drugs, you have no need for welfare. They should test for booze and cigs as well. If you have the money for that, you don't need my money.


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I don't need to convince anyone, and I am not attacking anyone, I am just trying to speak some sanity. I will stop cluttering the board so there is more room for you guys to cry about the crimes of social welfare.




Wish I could say I'll miss ya. But I figure you won't actually do what you said anyway.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 4
    #14569145 - 06/06/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you act like welfare is the sole reason for our shit economy



No but its a big reason.  “We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes nonwork”-Milton Friedman




yeah of course because there is no fucking work to be "worked" ... its not the individual thats at the root of this subsidized "nonwork" its the 3 trillion in debt dubya put us in funding a 10 year war on terror across the world ... he crashed our economy and handed it over to another equally stupid obama and so the cycle goes on ... why punish the common man for something that isnt any of the governments business ? there would be no need for increased subsidizing had this not happened ... but it has so now its time to make shit right for all the jobs lost and struggling families ... happy to see yall made it out of it ok ... some of us got serious issues though for one reason or another ... mfers need to quit being so fucking selfish and stop taking taxes so fucking personal like theyre the only ones having them taken from their check lol ...

these days you never know ... maybe youll get fucked up somehow and be unable to work and then YOU are gonna need some subsidization ...

maybe all the poor people should just be executed eh ? so then all these poor poor ppl getting a couple bucks taken from their checks can save those dollars up for that new ipod theyve been thinking about !.. i mean fuck humanity right ? we want some toys n shit ! suvs that guzzle 10 times more than is being taken from their checks ! big ! more ! fuck those poor people !... sick


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: cyantific]
    #14569157 - 06/06/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14569161 - 06/06/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

go forth thy police state! lost jobs and imploding economy by design :grin: we're all fucked soon


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14569177 - 06/06/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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start watching at 1:50


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14569241 - 06/06/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14569277 - 06/06/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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start watching at 1:50




right-wing propaganda ... heard enough of it already to last me 10 lifetimes ...


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: cyantific] * 2
    #14572845 - 06/07/11 03:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Alcohol and nicotine and tobacco are not being tested for in Florida. That contradiction alone ends this supposed argument.

Look at the top of the screen apparently JPMorgan Chase is in on the
electronic money for food program - https://www.ebtaccount.jpmorgan.com/JPM_EFS/

Oh look at this the food money is actually electronic and can only be used at stores that accept EBT in Florida - http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/access/ebt/


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: Yrat]
    #14574399 - 06/07/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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wow im shocked that so many people support any kind of testing for illegal substances ... what the fuck does being on welfare have to do with drug use ? most people need that self medication because their situations are so destitute from being downtrodden by the government you are applauding ... some of you ppl are ignorant as fuck , still kids under mommy and daddies wing ...

so if i grow some bud to smoke or grow some mush to trade for some bud and i smoke it and come up positive im a bad person bringing down society ? the only real effectiveness in this test is for marijuana and opiates ... all the crack heads and meth heads will still do what they do as those drugs are almost impossible to pin down in window frames ... so basically you support the continued persecution of pot heads ... real nice ... faggots





^^ a great example of not even understanding the issue being debated.





And he calls us ignorant.... :laugh2:


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: cyantific]
    #14574427 - 06/07/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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bet youre a little rich boy that had a silver spoon up his ass his whole life until someone in the family died and left you a nice little starting package in the game of life ... i got a 7 month old and a record form 15 years ago keeping me out of work .... im on foodstamps right now and i trade mush for all my bud ... so basically you support the government taking food out of my babies mouth because i get high ... i mean lets just forget the government put most of us in this position in the first place utilizing the resources of the country for their own agendas ... but hells yeah you say lets fuck some more ppl over ! you act like welfare is the sole reason for our shit economy ... why dont you support ending pointless wars or other out of touch government agendas rather than going after the less fortunate ... pampered scumbag






bro i support the government not giving handouts. Maybe... Just maybe... you shouldnt of had a kid. But i guess its too late now :shrug: Why you even smoking if your on food stamps? man ... go work or something.


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: dshow]
    #14574446 - 06/07/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I hate that they dont test for everything. They really should. I think im going to go get some food stamps this week even though i dont need them :shrug:


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Re: [FL] Florida to test all welfare recipients for drugs [Re: dshow]
    #14574515 - 06/07/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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bet youre a little rich boy that had a silver spoon up his ass his whole life until someone in the family died and left you a nice little starting package in the game of life ... i got a 7 month old and a record form 15 years ago keeping me out of work .... im on foodstamps right now and i trade mush for all my bud ... so basically you support the government taking food out of my babies mouth because i get high ... i mean lets just forget the government put most of us in this position in the first place utilizing the resources of the country for their own agendas ... but hells yeah you say lets fuck some more ppl over ! you act like welfare is the sole reason for our shit economy ... why dont you support ending pointless wars or other out of touch government agendas rather than going after the less fortunate ... pampered scumbag






bro i support the government not giving handouts. Maybe... Just maybe... you shouldnt of had a kid. But i guess its too late now :shrug: Why you even smoking if your on food stamps? man ... go work or something.



Wo brah, you're starting to sound like some racist conservative that hates the poor brah man bro dude.


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