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P Cubensis toxic lookalikes roundup request
    #14545106 - 06/01/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've been researching extensively and I cannot find a good guide to answer this question: if I've found something which matches all the positives of P Cubensis, how can I negatively identify it against potential lookalikes that could be toxic?

More plainly, I have a mushroom like so:
0 - In the gulf region
1 - Found growing out of a cow patty
2 - Brown cap fading to white at the edge
3 - Gills, but this example was young and still covered by the unbroken veil.
4 - Breaking the stem or the cap makes it turn "Greenish", not so much bluish.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs about the blue vs green thing, but from what I've read there's no way this is not cubensis, except that there must be lookalikes and I need a better way of making positive id.  Here are my sources:

P Cubensis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushroom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6273396 - Finding P Cubensis in my area
http://www.clusterbusters.com/ident.html

Lookalikes:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/349903 - What lookalikes to P Cubensis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_poisoning
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/safe-pik/assorted2.shtml
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6398133 - which poisonous mushrooms stain blue?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10464053 - blue-staining gallerina
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1769040 - inactive mushrooms that stain blue
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/80313 - do all p-containing mushrooms stain blue?

Panaeolous (has me worried)
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Panaeolous&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1746&bih=1054

Read me:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12412007 - Read me guide on finding them
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2263556 - Yes you n00b

Finally, the previous thread on this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/11901617 - poisonous cubensis lookalikes

Ok, back on topic... I am just getting pretty frustrated.  I have what probably IS P Cubensis, but I won't take a risk unless I'm also sure it's NOT anything else.  So, I ask this community, please provide a good "disconfirmation" guide.  What MIGHT it be and how can you tell that it's NOT these toxic imposters? 

There are several "here are some examples of things to watch out for" but if it's not thorough then it's not really useful, right?  thanks to any takers...


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Re: P Cubensis toxic lookalikes roundup request [Re: Amateur]
    #14545165 - 06/01/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Post good pictures and you will have a definitive answer in less than 10 minutes.


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Re: P Cubensis toxic lookalikes roundup request [Re: vjp]
    #14545176 - 06/01/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There are no mushrooms that share all of the properties that can be observed in the field with ps. cubensis. As long as you check for habitat, the presence of a veil, spore print color (usually observable in the field as well) and blue bruising, there's nothing else it can be.


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Re: P Cubensis toxic lookalikes roundup request [Re: koraks]
    #14545207 - 06/01/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

koraks said:
There are no mushrooms that share all of the properties that can be observed in the field with ps. cubensis. As long as you check for habitat, the presence of a veil, spore print color (usually observable in the field as well) and blue bruising, there's nothing else it can be.





^this. :thumbup:

peace and love
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Re: P Cubensis toxic lookalikes roundup request [Re: bloodworm]
    #14545293 - 06/01/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

stropharia semiglobata is the closest mushroom to cubensis but it is not toxic... it also has a purpleish brown sporeprint, and it doesnt bruise blue



Edited by AIRDOG (06/01/11 11:23 AM)


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Re: P Cubensis toxic lookalikes roundup request [Re: AIRDOG]
    #14545314 - 06/01/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

AIRDOG said:
stropharia semiglobata is the closest mushroom to cubensis but it is not toxic... it also has a purpleish brown sporeprint, and it doesnt bruise blue






the gills are a dead giveaway.

peace and love
bloodworm


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