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lilpinecreature
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yeah safe side is always good, if u can get urs hands on a dehydrator thats helps so much more. That way ull never have a sub that will rott while ur air drying them
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haha yeah ive always wanted one but cant be fucked buying one always thought they were heaps expensive so i never saw the point lol i usualy get em air dryed within a couple days anyway but i guess it would be an investment. and as for amanitas, ive tried smoking the skin before and felt no effects at all and have eaten them on two occasions both of which werent prepared properly and i diidnt trip probably for the best lol as im not too sure if id enjoy it
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when i first tryed a. Muscaria it was only half dry, ended up throwing my guts up everywhere n when into hospital, was not plesant in the slightest, ive also tryed smoking the skin i got no effect aswell, i think best think is to eat them straight up when the bone dry, i had 2 decent sized caps and it was a rollercoaster of waves n colours
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no shit, ive read something about consuming a. muscaria that has dried standing up(in the ground) is said to be more potent. yeah smoking didnt do shit for me either, it says that you may use the dried up skin as a mix with ya sesh for effects but how would you tell. i think its best just to stick away from them and just let them be but i dunno maybe oneday ill try them. how would you compare them to the effects of deemsters?
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not much, i tend to stay away from them now, had a very evil spiritual trip on 2 dried caps. Quite a bizzare trip id say. Goldies are the way to go in the psylicybin genre. I smoked my skin in a pipe probably smoked a hole cap and yeah nothing just harsh on my lungs.
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OMG you people worry me sometimes.
250 subs per dose, either your receptors are fried and you get 10% of the effects a neurotypical person does or you're doing it wrong. Have you tried simply eating them instead?
AMANITAS HAVE TO BE PREPARED!!!!! You need to oven dry the cap to convert it's toxin into muscaria and you're not allowed to have carbonated drink before during or slightly after the dose but don't take my word for it, read up on it!!! Anyway amanitas aren't psychedelics like subs, they're deleriants like alcohol or to a lesser extent brugmansia.
I had to buy a dehydrator last year... fan drying and my desiccant tub just weren't cutting it.
Honey can be good to store mushrooms in but i've never bothered waaay too messy for me. Dry em, cap em, freeze em!
LSD is a very stable molecule if you keep it away from light and heat it will store indefinately. If you completely dry the mushrooms and freeze them they should keep for a few years. Longest i've kept a dose is a year and a half in the freezer, no deemed loss of potency.
Really the rot factor of subs isn't a huge deal as far as health concerns go. If your mushrooms are left in a humid environment they'll actually revert back into tertiary mycelium which you could easily mistake for rot however it's harmless to ingest. A good way to tell rot is to get a cotton bud and wipe the 'infected' area. If any of the 'rot' transfers to the cotton bud it has began sporulating, otherwise it's just inert(though slightly psychadelic) mycelium.
Any extraction done on these mushrooms will decrease their shelf life. The mushroom cells are actually quite good at storing the actives and keeping them safe. If you want to practice my preferred method of ingesting try the lemon tek.
2g dried subs in a shotglass or two of lemon juice. LEave for 20 minutes then shoot. very noticable effects should begin 5 minutes in, you'll think you're peaking at 30 minutes in but it will climb till about 45 minutes at which point you'll forget you're tripping. Fun times 
edit: as for DMT... lawl! just wait, it'll find you.
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Smokeandtoke
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Mr. F]
#14542418 - 05/31/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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250 subs per dose, either your receptors are fried and you get 10% of the effects a neurotypical person does or you're doing it wrong. Have you tried simply eating them instead?
That's what I wondered, mute the variables of it being prepared wrong, weak shrooms, psychological factors as well as a large tolerance, it's still too much. Ever heard of a Lemon TEK?
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YES! I can't stress enough, too many people are grabbing these thinking they are just like subs. You need to use a method called parboiling to convert the bad stuff (Ibotenic acid) into Mucimol through the process of decarboxylation. Mucimol is a highly Psychopharmacologically chemical.
If you don't parboil it properly you risk giving yourself brain lesions, i don't wanna have to find sources but just trust me, it's not healthy. I think one of the mods does a great write up on them (alan rockefeller?).
Anyway i thought i'd chuck in my two cents, i met a guy up the road the other day who's selling A. muscaria to mates and i asked how he prepared them, to which he said he just chucks them in the oven and then grinds them, which is shithouse cause he was doing the right thing by converting the acid, but he had no idea what was even going on. Learn your drugs people.
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I had to buy a dehydrator last year... fan drying and my desiccant tub just weren't cutting it.
Just put your oven on the lowest setting usually around 30-35 degrees and leave them until cracker dry, people are probably gonna try tell me this is too hot but it really isn't i've been doing this for years now and i notice absoloutely no loss in potency.
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2g dried subs in a shotglass or two of lemon juice. LEave for 20 minutes then shoot. very noticable effects should begin 5 minutes in, you'll think you're peaking at 30 minutes in but it will climb till about 45 minutes at which point you'll forget you're tripping. Fun times 
Yesssssssss this is where it's at, sometimes when i feel like i've got a slight resistance i'll lemon TEK them and bam off with the fairies haha.
What schedule of drug is DMT, is it completely illegal down here? I'm hunting all around for it, mainly for the true out of body experience, as sometimes i feel the shrooms are a bit overwhelming and I'd rather just have a tiny dot of DMT :P
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lord of the gnomes said: smokeandtoke DMT is fuking wild all in all ive had bout 20 DMT trips and it is realy otherworldlz. And honey is piss easy to make just dry em out craker dry, grind and put in honey leave in a dark place eor a cotple months and presto!
Hook us up lol i'm currently reading about DMT in Acacia species to make do learn more haha
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Austrip
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Smokeandtoke]
#14542473 - 05/31/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice post Mr. F
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lilpinecreature said: hey guys, im currently in the process of trying to make a mushroom blotter , im going to dip them in the most potent tea i can make and keep dipping and drying, how do you guys think they might turn out like?
Not gonna work man, your best bet is to do a proper TEK/Extraction with more control.
First off don't even bother trying this if you haven't had much experience with either lab work or a bit of organic chem 
- Pulverize 'shrooms then grind them to a fine powder with a mortar and pestle.
- Prepare solvent by mixing 2/3 cheap vodka and 1/3 tap water.
- Place powder in foil wrapped glass jar and cover with solvent.
- Put mixture in a dark cupboard and leave to soak for at least 48 hours. A week is okay.
- Filter through coffee drip filter. You may want to filter more than once to get a product without grit.
- Store product in the dark to avoid oxidization and loss of potency.
I'd go from here, and work with that, it's a lot more pure than your tea extract. Good luck bud.
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Austrip]
#14542550 - 05/31/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Austrip said: DMT is highly illegal...
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South Australia controls "any plant containing DMT including any plant of the species Piptadenia Peregrina"
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_law.shtml
also having a DMT plant/material and extracting its contents are in completely different ball parks. The consequences for such actions could be very very severe.
Nice post Mr. F
Yeah i figured as much, I'm obviously not going to harvest Acacias for DMT lol.
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Smokeandtoke]
#14542575 - 05/31/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you want to try some more interesting things with your shrooms, I suggest lemon tek, as a large dose of subs with lemon tek will kick anyones ass 

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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Austrip]
#14542696 - 05/31/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Austrip said: if you want to try some more interesting things with your shrooms, I suggest lemon tek, as a large dose of subs with lemon tek will kick anyones ass  check out this thread, might interest some of you guys... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7579737/fpart/1/vc/1
Really interesting thread, thanks for the link
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Austrip]
#14542747 - 05/31/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi All, My first post here after loads of researching and listening and its paid off on my second hour of hunting. I didnt get any field photos this time but the couple of small patches I found have more pins developing (after I took 8 small to medium subs) so Ill be back in a week or two after the rains that are expected over the weekend. I have to thank you all for your input as I just wouldn't have been able to find or satisfactorily identify my subs. I have quite a bit of experience growing all sorts of plants, active, non-active edible and decorative and have been wanting to move in to mushies for quite some time. I had some great experiences in London around 2005 when mushrooms could still be sold legally as long as they were fresh. You could walk into a shop similar to a bottle shop here and it was just wall to wall fridges with all sorts of goodies! There were quite a few interesting walks home! As everybody says here do your research know what your looking for and what not to pick, how to pick (scissors) and how to care for our slowly dieing environment. We truly are privileged to have these wonderful little things growing in our mountains and its up to all of us to care and nurture not just the mushies but the whole environment. Lastly and this doesnt apply to people posting on this forum as you all seem to be very thoughtful people but perhaps those reading, I am so sick of seeing rubbish in our national parks, if you drop some and you see a man about 5 feet 10inches pick it up you better run cause if its me Ill probably shove it up your fucking ass! Peace to all and thanks once again.
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Happy Camper]
#14542914 - 05/31/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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like ive said before. I have an exetremly high tolerence to almost anything. I know what im doing and i DO NOT RUIN the tea ive been boiling for 6 years now, eating doesnt to a hole lot to me, i have intestinal problems n eating can make me feel quite sick
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Austrip
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nice find happy camper, like your attitude towards rubbish in our scenery as well 
welcome to the shroomery
@lilpinecreature: try lemon tek, certainly more potent then tea I reckon.
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Happy Camper]
#14543054 - 05/31/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Happy Camper said: Hi All, My first post here after loads of researching and listening and its paid off on my second hour of hunting. I didnt get any field photos this time but the couple of small patches I found have more pins developing (after I took 8 small to medium subs) so Ill be back in a week or two after the rains that are expected over the weekend. I have to thank you all for your input as I just wouldn't have been able to find or satisfactorily identify my subs. I have quite a bit of experience growing all sorts of plants, active, non-active edible and decorative and have been wanting to move in to mushies for quite some time. I had some great experiences in London around 2005 when mushrooms could still be sold legally as long as they were fresh. You could walk into a shop similar to a bottle shop here and it was just wall to wall fridges with all sorts of goodies! There were quite a few interesting walks home! As everybody says here do your research know what your looking for and what not to pick, how to pick (scissors) and how to care for our slowly dieing environment. We truly are privileged to have these wonderful little things growing in our mountains and its up to all of us to care and nurture not just the mushies but the whole environment. Lastly and this doesnt apply to people posting on this forum as you all seem to be very thoughtful people but perhaps those reading, I am so sick of seeing rubbish in our national parks, if you drop some and you see a man about 5 feet 10inches pick it up you better run cause if its me Ill probably shove it up your fucking ass! Peace to all and thanks once again.

Welcome buddy, so refreshing to see someone with a positive attitude, and good stuff about the rubbish too, sometimes i will come out of a park with more rubbish that gold caps lol
What kind of botany were you involved in, i'm currently studying similar stuff and would love to know what is growing around here
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Austrip]
#14543895 - 06/01/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Austrip and Smokeatoke your posts have been most helpful in my research, thanks again. I dont want to take this off topic but to answer your question im normally growing around 20 different edible plants ranging from eggplant (three varieties atm) to blue and yellow corn and purple carrots. Im a vaggo and I grow about 1/4 to 1/2 of my families food. Actives are Psychotria carthaginensis which is growing really well here in Adelaide. I need another year or so before harvest as I here you need quite a few leaves. Echinopsis Pachanoi, Echinopsis Peruvianis, Echinopsis scopulicola, all growing very well here as you would expect cacti to. Summer growth is amazing and they are a lot of fun with the right preparation! If you havent given them a go look into it especially if you like the visual effects of subs. If your careful and do some research dosage isnt to hard to stuff up just be cautious first off as they can very in potency. Once you become proficient in preparation and know your plants there is a world of exploration to enjoy. I think there is a more lovey, almost E like feel to Mescalin and I love it! Shame about the nausea but it goes away after the first hour or so. Phalaris, but Ill wait till I get some spring growth to try the controversial juice extraction technique. Tried it once and it didnt have any effect but Im always cautious on my first go. Its a weed here so it grows very well. Ill be trying to propagate some subs as I have the perfect bed for them. Ill post with info and photos when I get around to it. I have grown a few more actives here and in London that cant be named but I stick to legals now as I have a young family. There are so many actives still legal there doesnt seem to be any point in exposing ones self to incarceration. Its funny, I have never wanted it to rain so much in winter before and Im actually hoping for cold weather! Go the shrooms!
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Happy Camper]
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Happy Camper said: Austrip and Smokeatoke your posts have been most helpful in my research, thanks again. I dont want to take this off topic but to answer your question im normally growing around 20 different edible plants ranging from eggplant (three varieties atm) to blue and yellow corn and purple carrots. Im a vaggo and I grow about 1/4 to 1/2 of my families food. Actives are Psychotria carthaginensis which is growing really well here in Adelaide. I need another year or so before harvest as I here you need quite a few leaves. Echinopsis Pachanoi, Echinopsis Peruvianis, Echinopsis scopulicola, all growing very well here as you would expect cacti to. Summer growth is amazing and they are a lot of fun with the right preparation! If you havent given them a go look into it especially if you like the visual effects of subs. If your careful and do some research dosage isnt to hard to stuff up just be cautious first off as they can very in potency. Once you become proficient in preparation and know your plants there is a world of exploration to enjoy. I think there is a more lovey, almost E like feel to Mescalin and I love it! Shame about the nausea but it goes away after the first hour or so. Phalaris, but Ill wait till I get some spring growth to try the controversial juice extraction technique. Tried it once and it didnt have any effect but Im always cautious on my first go. Its a weed here so it grows very well. Ill be trying to propagate some subs as I have the perfect bed for them. Ill post with info and photos when I get around to it. I have grown a few more actives here and in London that cant be named but I stick to legals now as I have a young family. There are so many actives still legal there doesnt seem to be any point in exposing ones self to incarceration. Its funny, I have never wanted it to rain so much in winter before and Im actually hoping for cold weather! Go the shrooms!
Ahhhh sounds very interesting, sounds to me like you're into a bit of permaculture, i'm trying to intergrate a system into my yard it's slowly getting there but i've been a bit slack. :P
Have you got any links or tips for those blue and yellow corn and purple carrots? my brother is right into vegetable growing and would love it!
Funnily enough i was just reading about the Phalaris this morning, i've been doing heaps of land revegetation work and so much time is dedicated to removing that stuff haha will definitely be looking more into that extraction method too, I think somewhere down the line it is possible but it's gonna be a fair bit of trial and error i'm thinking.
Finally are you a member on australian ethnobotany? or shamanaus? if you are PM us your username I just signed up an account.
Good luck with future hunting and peace!
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Re: South Australia 2011 inactives [Re: Smokeandtoke]
#14544797 - 06/01/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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haha i stil got a bit of deemsters lying around but its all mine lol would love to hook u up smokeandtoke if only i could still hook it up, it dont come round very often lol and no offence but if your only taking 1gram of psilocybin i dont think DMT would b for you as they dont nearly compare and also the acacia your after is acacia madenii however it doesnt grow here have to head further out for that but there are other natural sources that grow here in sa
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