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hotelvoodoo
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First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice
#14544363 - 06/01/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started by journey into mushroom cultivation in early April with two syringes, one of B+ and one of Illusion Weavers. I used the rye flour, vermiculite technique and they grew in the jars just fine. It took them around a month to finish their takeovers of the jars, and my boyfriend and I were very excited about birthdays.
We dunked them for around fifteen hours and then rolled some in vermiculite and some not, to see if it made any difference. Then we birthed the cakes into our constructed fruiting chamber.
Now, a word about said chamber. It's a huge rubbermaid container, with about four inches of perlite in the bottom. We bleached the bejesus out of the container and washed the perlite with boiling water before the kids were allowed in. There are holes drilled all over the sides, but not in the lid. The kids were placed on pieces of tinfoil and sat on the perlite.
For two weeks we sprayed and fanned them daily. We lost three due to a mold infestation, but everyone seems to be ok now. Most of them (except the strange Illusion Weavers) are white and fluffy. Except we HAVE NO PINS! And ONE SAD MUSHROOM! I can't imagine what we are doing wrong! The humidity hovers around 100% and the temperature is around 70F (though we boosted it with a heating pad in the perlite last night in the hopes of seeing improvement)and they are fanned three times a day. Until yesterday they had the twelve hours on and off light of the bathroom, but we upped our guns with a lizard light 6500K in the correct blue-green spectrum. I don't know that this will make any difference.
I just need help! I've raised them on a diet of positive vibes and music for three hours a day. I've taken meticulous care of the kids and recorded their journeys individually. They even have names! It just breaks my heart to see that they aren't maturing after so much love. Any advice would be VERY GREATLY appreciated.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14544408 - 06/01/11 05:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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A pic of your fruiting chamber would help 
- Not a so big trouble to do not have holes in the lid, that should fruit anyway. - 70° is pretty fine. The heating pad can tend to over dry the chamber or the cakes plus the temp will be really higher at the bottom of your FC compared to the rest of the volume. I would remove the pad. - 100% Rh humidity can be too much. Watch to do not have too much sitting droplets water on your cakes. How do you humidify your chamber, spray bottle ? electrical humidifier ? Just wet perlite ? - fanned 3 times a day seems ok. - Bathroom light, i guess sun light no ? That can de the problem. The new light system will correct the trouble if it comes from the light.
I would tend to think the problem CAN come from the light. As i said earlier, a pic would really help
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14544458 - 06/01/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your procedure sounds pretty damn perfect
1) I would make sure to calibrate your hydrometer to verify that you are getting an accurate rH reading. -providing that you are getting the correct reading, I would just make sure that your cakes dont have a bunch of droplets on them like mill said.
2) Also like mill said, I think your problem (if there is one, they might have yet to start pinning, but 3 weeks would really be your max, imo) is the light. I have never used any kind of special lighting and have always gotten good results. I have always used just normal room lighting or at most a lamp aimed at my FC,
Other than those 2 things, it sounds like you did your homework and have a good set-up and method.
I too would like to see a picture of your FC just to see if there is anything that jumps out. I am guessing you have polyfil in the holes in your FC
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: mill]
#14544462 - 06/01/11 06:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here are the pics of the chamber and the children.

 
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14544490 - 06/01/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Um, your problem is that your cakes do not appear to be fully colonized
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14544586 - 06/01/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How do you mean? They took over the jars 100% prior to birthing and had their three day sit. should I let them stay in the jars longer?
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14544879 - 06/01/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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My cakes produced one huge friggin' mushroom, and then, like 2 days later they all pinned like crazy. Maybe just a little bit more time. Get rid of the heating pad. I fan my cakes more often than you are, maybe some more fresh air would help?
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14544886 - 06/01/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The need to sit in the jars for another week after they colonize 100%. Dont use a heating pad. Temps in the 70's is good. You need more holes in your fc. They need to be 1/4" holes, on all six sides, and they need to be 2" apart. Use either indirect sunlight or a 6500k light bulb.
That one in the back middle looks weird.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14545066 - 06/01/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: Um, your problem is that your cakes do not appear to be fully colonized
that's just verm.
I think your problem is a combination of things.
Well, how long has it been since you birthed them? it can often take ~2 weeks to see any pins if theyre slow.
Also, you need 1/4 inch holes drilled every 2 inches on ALL sides. This includes the top and bottom. I don't see that you have done that. Also, they need the correct lighting at 6500k.
Also, fully colonized cakes are very resistant to contam. You don't need to boil the perlite, and i doubt you lost any to contam that werent already fucked before you birthed them.
Edited by shroomiin (06/01/11 10:02 AM)
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14545096 - 06/01/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I missed where he said he dunk and rolled them. I was never a fan of rolling them after dunking personally
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14545158 - 06/01/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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hotelvoodoo said: Here are the pics of the chamber and the children.

 

you messed up the fruiting chamber.
look at the PROPER SGFC link in my sig.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: k00laid]
#14545740 - 06/01/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okie dokie! I really appreciate all the coming advice. I'm going to go out and do the airation stone method to move some more CO2, and I'll drill more holes in the FC this evening. I took the heating pad out, and I'm glad to hear that the light will help us out.
On a seperate note, do you guys think we should be waiting until we see pins in the jars before we birth them, and in that case would we still need to dunk and roll?
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14545800 - 06/01/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont think you need to drill more holes, your FC looks fine. Adding an bubble-stone is a good idea to promote FAE
The light doesnt really matter, imo. Ive never used any kind of special lighting and only got bad results when I messed up and got contams.
I wouldnt wait to see pins. The jars should be kept in complete darkness anyways so they shouldnt start pinning unless you leave them for like 6-7 weeks. But it doesnt really matter if they start to pin or not.
I always recommend dunking, rehydration is very important after a long period of colonization. I dont like rolling my jars though
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14545874 - 06/01/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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FAE is an important factor in fruiting. Drill more holes, on all six sides. Lighting is another factor in fruiting; it tells the fungi to enter its fruiting stage. Also, jars can be exposed to light, it has little to no significance on colonization. Fruit your cakes a week after full colonization, regardless of pinning, dunk and roll. (As previously noted)
Your setup doesn't seem faulty enough to where your little guys wouldn't fruit, though. I'd give it some more time, and just increase air exchange and make sure it doesn't get dry in there.
Good luck!
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: Jonow]
#14545971 - 06/01/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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More holes? he already has a bunch. More holes isnt the issue.
Light is important to induce pinning and telling the mushrooms which direction to grow but it isnt nearly as important as some people think. Like I said, ive been growing for 3-4 years and never once used anything except room lighting
Jars "can" be exposed to light but it isnt suggested. they colonize best in complete darkness
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14546035 - 06/01/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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its not the number of holes that matters. What matters is that they are quarter inch holes ALL DRILLED EXACTLY 2 INCHES APART. on ALL SIX SIDES. Which they did not do correctly.
Failure to follow these parameters will lead to inferior conditions. These specs arent just bullshit somebody made up...its proven to keep humidity it needs to be this way.
also don't bother with a bubble air stone. and don't put a heat pad in there. You are overcomplicating the process and your mistake lies in not following the directions precisely.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14546039 - 06/01/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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She has about half the amount of holes the shotgun should have. Lighting isn't the most important fruiting factor, however, it is one of them. Mycellium growth is, if at all, insignificantly affected by light.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14546053 - 06/01/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: The light doesnt really matter, imo. Ive never used any kind of special lighting and only got bad results when I messed up and got contams.
You will still get fruits by using a light of a "warmer" color temperature. But they prefer a blue temp. 6500k being the best for these conditions, and your pinset will thank you for it.
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I wouldnt wait to see pins. The jars should be kept in complete darkness anyways so they shouldnt start pinning unless you leave them for like 6-7 weeks.
They don't need to be in complete dark this is old info. It is now proven that colonizing myc can benefit from indirect sunlight. like sitting on your bookshelf for example.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14546062 - 06/01/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: Like I said, ive been growing for 3-4 years and never once used anything except room lighting
I would like to see some of your results
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14546073 - 06/01/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly, the number of holes doesnt matter as long as they are getting the proper amount of FAE and holding the correct humidity and temperature. So adding more holes isnt going to do shit.
Ive used that exact terrarium setup when I was first starting and dont recall any problems. I soon got fed up because wet perlite is a bitch to work with. I spilled some once and it took me forever to clean up. That's when I switched to monotubs.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: Jonow]
#14546150 - 06/01/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty new to growing but I've been lurking on this site for a year or two now, so I think I know the general flow of the information here.
I think you need more holes, on all sides. To me it seems like the most likely reason currently.
The next most likely reason is that you didn't let them colonise long enough, you only let them consolidate for 3 days when its supposed to be a week. I don't know if this just pushes back pinning a while or what.
After that is lack of light which you have already remedied with the 6500K bulb.
Last is probably leaving water on the cakes, your supposed to mist then fan off the water. Its evaporation that induces pinning, not simply lots of water. So maybe try fanning more.
The last guy is right about colonization, light doesn't matter.
Everyone says you don't need a heating mat so I'm inclined to believe them.
Most people roll after dunking, so I recomend sticking to it. You might try using finer vermiculite, which just means you should grind up your verm before applying.
It seems to me very likely that your moldy cakes were already contaminated, everyone says that contamination after colonization is a negligible concern.
So basically my post is attempting a re-cap. Please keep us posted, I want to see how it turns out.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14546177 - 06/01/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would like to see some of your results
I did only room lighting, under three florescent bulbs in my posting,
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14427344
I think they turned out great for uncased rye berries, and they're already flushing again.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14546841 - 06/01/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow, it is actually baffling how much bad information is given to new cultivators 
if you dont know what you are talking about, you shouldnt offer to help
I have no idea what I am talking about, ive only used about every grow technique over the past 4 years:
Edited by KillerPicklez (06/01/11 05:11 PM)
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: Hashishin13]
#14546889 - 06/01/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hashishin13 said: I'm pretty new to growing but I've been lurking on this site for a year or two now, so I think I know the general flow of the information here.
I think you need more holes, on all sides. To me it seems like the most likely reason currently.
The next most likely reason is that you didn't let them colonise long enough, you only let them consolidate for 3 days when its supposed to be a week. I don't know if this just pushes back pinning a while or what.
After that is lack of light which you have already remedied with the 6500K bulb.
Last is probably leaving water on the cakes, your supposed to mist then fan off the water. Its evaporation that induces pinning, not simply lots of water. So maybe try fanning more.
The last guy is right about colonization, light doesn't matter.
Everyone says you don't need a heating mat so I'm inclined to believe them.
Most people roll after dunking, so I recomend sticking to it. You might try using finer vermiculite, which just means you should grind up your verm before applying.
It seems to me very likely that your moldy cakes were already contaminated, everyone says that contamination after colonization is a negligible concern.
So basically my post is attempting a re-cap. Please keep us posted, I want to see how it turns out.
man no offense but your just spitting facts out of your ass.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14546907 - 06/01/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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at least you know what you're talking about
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14547154 - 06/01/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have drilled more holes, you need to be sure to pickup an analog hygrometer from a cigar humidor shop online for about 5 bucks. Don't bother with the $40 digital hygrometers they sell, I did and what a screw up that was. Those are great for humidors, not for environments where condensation is all over the place. Anyway, calibrate it, you cannot skip that step. I just take mine and wrap them in a long sheet of 6 paper towels, wrap them around the unit, moisten the paper towels until they'll almost drip, put the whole thing into a plastic bag for an hour, take out and using a standard screw driver carefully tune it to 99%. If you let it dry off, and sit for an hour next to a normal digital room hygrometer, you'll see they match perfectly. Then dry an area of plastic inside the tub, scratch a small part of the surface with a knife and put the sticky part of the magnet/steel onto the plastic. Then just plop on the hygrometer and you're g2g. Just make sure your RH is always above 90. If it drops, just post and I'll tell you what I did to always have perfect temp, RH, light, and FAE, no matter what the room conditions are. One day I'll put up a tek for it, just haven't had time.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: bbox244]
#14547650 - 06/01/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys, the lighting made a HUGE difference. Two new pins on the other side of that sprouting cake! I did a super happy dance. Will drill MORE holes at 2" apart tomorrow morning and install the aquarium filter as well.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14547663 - 06/01/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great news man! Glad to hear it.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14547691 - 06/01/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomiin said:
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KillerPicklez said: Um, your problem is that your cakes do not appear to be fully colonized
that's just verm.
I think your problem is a combination of things.
Well, how long has it been since you birthed them? it can often take ~2 weeks to see any pins if theyre slow.
Also, you need 1/4 inch holes drilled every 2 inches on ALL sides. This includes the top and bottom. I don't see that you have done that. Also, they need the correct lighting at 6500k.
Also, fully colonized cakes are very resistant to contam. You don't need to boil the perlite, and i doubt you lost any to contam that werent already fucked before you birthed them.
Do you live in that city that's posted when you post???
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: K_SNAP]
#14547843 - 06/01/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you live in that city that's posted when you post???
Possibly..
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14548071 - 06/01/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't have much hands-on experience with mushrooms... yet! But I DO live in mushroom country, that's for damn sure, LOLz.
My personal observations have been as such: the largest patches of fruitings seem to occur when there has been no rain, then rain, then no rain. Well; It's always wet here, lol... So its more like damp, then soaked, then damp.
Note: this is outside, with lots of wind/breeze, allowing for unbaffled FAE
Just a noob's observations... More FAE leads to more evaporation, which leads to mushroom fruits... Take it as you may.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14548105 - 06/01/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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hotelvoodoo said: Hey guys, the lighting made a HUGE difference. Two new pins on the other side of that sprouting cake! I did a super happy dance. Will drill MORE holes at 2" apart tomorrow morning and install the aquarium filter as well.
I would just leave the terrarium how it is. There is no reason to add more holes.
The light didnt make the difference. It was simply a matter of being patient and letting them pin.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14548153 - 06/01/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agrees with killer pickles. Wet perlite sucks. I see it all over that front right cake haha. Been there.
Like said above patience is a virtue. Although I've never really had a decent flush off a cake. I think for some reason, even with the proper fruiting chamber, light and FAE, my cakes never realized it was go time.
I've only ever had decent outcomes with break 'n case and bulk subs. IMHO cakes are a bitch to fruit.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: MycoPron]
#14548294 - 06/01/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cakes do seem to be a bia! I skipped that step since I don't have the patience for it anyway. I can't imagine the folks out there cultivating MJ. 3 months if everything goes well and on time. I get mushies in 30 days every time! Monos are the way to go IMO.
Good luck with those cakes though. When you're done, give the monos a shot.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomybgood]
#14548331 - 06/01/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Monotubs w/ Wild Bird Seed are definitely the way to go, imo.
I also like using those indoor greenhouses hooked up to a cool mist. That was what I learned how to do after mastering PF Tek. It was fun and looked pretty damn cool also. I put a picture of my setup back on the 1st page of this thread.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
#14549403 - 06/02/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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hotelvoodoo said: Hey guys, the lighting made a HUGE difference. Two new pins on the other side of that sprouting cake! I did a super happy dance. Will drill MORE holes at 2" apart tomorrow morning and install the aquarium filter as well.
I would just leave the terrarium how it is. There is no reason to add more holes.
The light didnt make the difference. It was simply a matter of being patient and letting them pin.
Somehow, according to everything I've read, I don't know that this is the case. They've all been in the fruiting chamber for over two and a half weeks at this point. Unless you think they needed to remedy their lack of seven day sit.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14549418 - 06/02/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's just not uncommon at all for cakes to take that long to start pinning. Even if you compare it to a monotub it's about the same amount of time. You let your bulk sub. colonize for 7-10 days generally speaking, then once you begin fruiting it takes another 7-12 days before you get pins.
Dont let people talk you into thinking you did something wrong. Patience is the key. You grow conditions were great, you just needed to wait a bit longer.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
#14551717 - 06/02/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you live in that city that's posted when you post???
Possibly.. 
I ask because I know the city well and have been wondering where all the verms been going.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14551820 - 06/02/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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hotelvoodoo said: We bleached the bejesus out of the container and washed the perlite with boiling water before the kids were allowed in.
About this said bleach. Did/does your FC still smell like bleach? I just
learned a lesson with cleaning products. You should never use bleach or
lysol. Soapy water or rubbing alcohol works just fine. I'm thinking
the bleach could be part of your problem.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: thor_ak]
#14558711 - 06/04/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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For GB's, tubs, etc. I've found the best way to clean is to first use a sponge and some basic antibacterial soapy water. This will get off all the dirt/grime and some contams.
Then, I take a paper towel, put on gloves and lightly saturate the towel with bleach. I then wipe down all sides of the container with the bleach and it'll leave a very thing film of bleach all over the container. Then discard the towel and let the tub dry for 5 minutes.
The next step I do is spray some generic cheap WMart lysol on all six sides and let that sit for a few mins.
The last step is to soak another paper towel in h202 and wipe down all six sides. If I'm going to be storing the unit for awhile before use again, I then put the lid on the container and put some masking tape over the holes and store it somewhere. Otherwise, you're g2g to put in use again.
Another couple from notes on tub maintenance: 1) When you drill holes, put the drill to low or medium speed and while supporting the area around the hole you'll be drilling with your hand (be careful, don't drill through your hand), lightly drill the hole if using a standard cheap drill bit. This will keep the tub from cracking. Cracking is very very common, so you want to use special plastic bits if possible, use ones with sharp points, and are designed to keep the material from "riding up" the bit, making it crack. Use slow to medium speed with these bits. 2) General notes on tubs, most of the ones people use are Sterilite tubs, which are made from a polyolefin called PP, or Polypropylene, which unfortunately has the same bonding characteristics of it's cousin Polyethylene. You can tell by looking at your tub for the triangle with a 5 in it. This means it is made from PP, almost all Sterilite and Rubbermaid products sport a triangle with a 5 in it usually on the bottom. So you have a couple options to glue the cracks, i generally will use cheap plastic epoxy and first take a propane torch on low to oxidize the surface to be glued until it's shiny,then apply the plastic. I'm gonna post a mild tek on handling tubs, since this is tmi for this post, but necessary for anyone using Sterilite or Rubbermaid tubs, which is everyone.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: bbox244]
#14558720 - 06/04/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have always just used 91% rubbing alcohol to clean with. It will get rid of any spore stains and sanitizes the tubs as well.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14574287 - 06/07/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well... drilled holes two inches apart and cleaned the entire fruiting chamber again. Set up a fish tank airation system and it seems to get a lot more air, but I came back from vacation and we are OVERRUN with mold. Even our tiny baby mushrooms were covered. We had to pitch three cakes last night, so only three remain. I may just wait for them all to die and start all over again. This is so frustrating.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14574347 - 06/07/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just use a regular tub, and I fan and mist. I have had great success with it.
When I came back to the forums, this SGFC was everywhere. But I am still
using my old tek. I guess I have the time to fan and mist, if you have
the time, maybe you should try just a regular FC. No holes, nothing, just
the fanning and misting. Make sure to avoid using bleach and lysol products
whenever you can. Some people use it, alot don't, I'd suggest you be one
who doesn't. Lysol ruined one of my spawns, and after I read up on it I
realized why. Make sure you fellow which ever proven tek you choose as close
as possible. Esp when prepping and sterilizing your jars/substrate.
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Edited by thor_ak (06/07/11 12:58 PM)
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14574543 - 06/07/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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hotelvoodoo said: Well... drilled holes two inches apart
Set up a fish tank airation system
WHAT THE FUCK DUDE.
1/4" HOLES 2" APART ON ALL SIX SIDES.
NO AIR PUMPS IN SGFC
AIR PUMPS IN PMP
DONT MIX TEKS AND EXPECT RESULTS YO.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: k00laid]
#14599225 - 06/12/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lost battle one to cobweb and green mold. Am following the advice of people to wait and let them sit longer in the jars before we hatch them out. We have to jump on it though. One of our jars is growing way fast and is already trying to manage mushrooms in the jar. Wish us luck on round two! Any ideas for a better tek to try this time? We originally followed one we found here really closely, but as you can see we had to deviate to spur change. Any teks less mold prone?
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14602482 - 06/12/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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New setup using a completely new tek. The aquarium just seems a lot cleaner, and we moved from the bathroom into a closet, just in time to dunk three kids who will move to the new chamber tomorrow. Does anyone see any glaring errors?


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14609138 - 06/13/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys. Just found out I'm leaving town in a month so the growing has to stop for now. Sad, but you know, maybe I'll start up again someday.
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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
#14625674 - 06/16/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I pray your future adventures find you well Peace be upon you
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