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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: Jonow]
    #14546150 - 06/01/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty new to growing but I've been lurking on this site for a year or two now, so I think I know the general flow of the information here.

I think you need more holes, on all sides. To me it seems like the most likely reason currently.

The next most likely reason is that you didn't let them colonise long enough, you only let them consolidate for 3 days when its supposed to be a week. I don't know if this just pushes back pinning a while or what.

After that is lack of light which you have already remedied with the 6500K bulb.

Last is probably leaving water on the cakes, your supposed to mist then fan off the water. Its evaporation that induces pinning, not simply lots of water. So maybe try fanning more.

The last guy is right about colonization, light doesn't matter.

Everyone says you don't need a heating mat so I'm inclined to believe them.

Most people roll after dunking, so I recomend sticking to it. You might try using finer vermiculite, which just means you should grind up your verm before applying.

It seems to me very likely that your moldy cakes were already contaminated, everyone says that contamination after colonization is a negligible concern.

So basically my post is attempting a re-cap. Please keep us posted, I want to see how it turns out.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14546177 - 06/01/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I would like to see some of your results




I did only room lighting, under three florescent bulbs in my posting,

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14427344

I think they turned out great for uncased rye berries, and they're already flushing again.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14546841 - 06/01/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

wow, it is actually baffling how much bad information is given to new cultivators :facepalm:

if you dont know what you are talking about, you shouldnt offer to help

I have no idea what I am talking about, ive only used about every grow technique over the past 4 years:



Edited by KillerPicklez (06/01/11 05:11 PM)


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: Hashishin13]
    #14546889 - 06/01/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Hashishin13 said:
I'm pretty new to growing but I've been lurking on this site for a year or two now, so I think I know the general flow of the information here.

I think you need more holes, on all sides. To me it seems like the most likely reason currently.

The next most likely reason is that you didn't let them colonise long enough, you only let them consolidate for 3 days when its supposed to be a week. I don't know if this just pushes back pinning a while or what.

After that is lack of light which you have already remedied with the 6500K bulb.

Last is probably leaving water on the cakes, your supposed to mist then fan off the water. Its evaporation that induces pinning, not simply lots of water. So maybe try fanning more.

The last guy is right about colonization, light doesn't matter.

Everyone says you don't need a heating mat so I'm inclined to believe them.

Most people roll after dunking, so I recomend sticking to it. You might try using finer vermiculite, which just means you should grind up your verm before applying.

It seems to me very likely that your moldy cakes were already contaminated, everyone says that contamination after colonization is a negligible concern.

So basically my post is attempting a re-cap. Please keep us posted, I want to see how it turns out.




man no offense but your just spitting facts out of your ass.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14546907 - 06/01/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

at least you know what you're talking about :thumbup:


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14547154 - 06/01/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you have drilled more holes, you need to be sure to pickup an analog hygrometer from a cigar humidor shop online for about 5 bucks.  Don't bother with the $40 digital hygrometers they sell, I did and what a screw up that was.  Those are great for humidors, not for environments where condensation is all over the place.  Anyway, calibrate it, you cannot skip that step.  I just take mine and wrap them in a long sheet of 6 paper towels, wrap them around the unit, moisten the paper towels until they'll almost drip, put the whole thing into a plastic bag for an hour, take out and using a standard screw driver carefully tune it to 99%.  If you let it dry off, and sit for an hour next to a normal digital room hygrometer, you'll see they match perfectly.  Then dry an area of plastic inside the tub, scratch a small part of the surface with a knife and put the sticky part of the magnet/steel onto the plastic.  Then just plop on the hygrometer and you're g2g.  Just make sure your RH is always above 90.  If it drops, just post and I'll tell you what I did to always have perfect temp, RH, light, and FAE, no matter what the room conditions are.  One day I'll put up a tek for it, just haven't had time.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: bbox244]
    #14547650 - 06/01/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys, the lighting made a HUGE difference. Two new pins on the other side of that sprouting cake! I did a super happy dance. Will drill MORE holes at 2" apart tomorrow morning and install the aquarium filter as well.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14547663 - 06/01/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Great news man! Glad to hear it.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14547691 - 06/01/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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shroomiin said:
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KillerPicklez said:
Um, your problem is that your cakes do not appear to be fully colonized




that's just verm.

I think your problem is a combination of things.

Well, how long has it been since you birthed them? it can often take ~2 weeks to see any pins if theyre slow.

Also, you need 1/4 inch holes drilled every 2 inches on ALL sides. This includes the top and bottom. I don't see that you have done that. Also, they need the correct lighting at 6500k.

Also, fully colonized cakes are very resistant to contam. You don't need to boil the perlite, and i doubt you lost any to contam that werent already fucked before you birthed them.







Do you live in that city that's posted when you post???


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: K_SNAP]
    #14547843 - 06/01/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you live in that city that's posted when you post???




Possibly.. :Awesketch:


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14548071 - 06/01/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have much hands-on experience with mushrooms... yet!
But I DO live in mushroom country, that's for damn sure, LOLz.

My personal observations have been as such:  the largest patches of fruitings seem to occur when there has been no rain, then rain, then no rain.  Well; It's always wet here, lol... So its more like damp, then soaked, then damp.

Note: this is outside, with lots of wind/breeze, allowing for unbaffled FAE :smile:

Just a noob's observations... More FAE leads to more evaporation, which leads to mushroom fruits... Take it as you may.

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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14548105 - 06/01/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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hotelvoodoo said:
Hey guys, the lighting made a HUGE difference. Two new pins on the other side of that sprouting cake! I did a super happy dance. Will drill MORE holes at 2" apart tomorrow morning and install the aquarium filter as well.




I would just leave the terrarium how it is. There is no reason to add more holes.

The light didnt make the difference. It was simply a matter of being patient and letting them pin.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14548153 - 06/01/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Agrees with killer pickles. Wet perlite sucks. I see it all over that front right cake haha. Been there.

Like said above patience is a virtue. Although I've never really had a decent flush off a cake. I think for some reason, even with the proper fruiting chamber, light and FAE, my cakes never realized it was go time.

I've only ever had decent outcomes with break 'n case and bulk subs. IMHO cakes are a bitch to fruit.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: MycoPron]
    #14548294 - 06/01/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cakes do seem to be a bia! I skipped that step since I don't have the patience for it anyway. I can't imagine the folks out there cultivating MJ. 3 months if everything goes well and on time. I get mushies in 30 days every time! Monos are the way to go IMO.

Good luck with those cakes though. When you're done, give the monos a shot.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomybgood]
    #14548331 - 06/01/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Monotubs w/ Wild Bird Seed are definitely the way to go, imo.

I also like using those indoor greenhouses hooked up to a cool mist. That was what I learned how to do after mastering PF Tek. It was fun and looked pretty damn cool also. I put a picture of my setup back on the 1st page of this thread.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14549403 - 06/02/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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KillerPicklez said:
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hotelvoodoo said:
Hey guys, the lighting made a HUGE difference. Two new pins on the other side of that sprouting cake! I did a super happy dance. Will drill MORE holes at 2" apart tomorrow morning and install the aquarium filter as well.




I would just leave the terrarium how it is. There is no reason to add more holes.

The light didnt make the difference. It was simply a matter of being patient and letting them pin.




Somehow, according to everything I've read, I don't know that this is the case. They've all been in the fruiting chamber for over two and a half weeks at this point. Unless you think they needed to remedy their lack of seven day sit.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14549418 - 06/02/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's just not uncommon at all for cakes to take that long to start pinning. Even if you compare it to a monotub it's about the same amount of time. You let your bulk sub. colonize for 7-10 days generally speaking, then once you begin fruiting it takes another 7-12 days before you get pins.

Dont let people talk you into thinking you did something wrong. Patience is the key. You grow conditions were great, you just needed to wait a bit longer.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14551717 - 06/02/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you live in that city that's posted when you post???




Possibly.. :Awesketch:





I ask because I know the city well and have been wondering where all the verms been going.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14551820 - 06/02/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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We bleached the bejesus out of the container and washed the perlite with boiling water before the kids were allowed in.





About this said bleach. Did/does your FC still smell like bleach? I just

learned a lesson with cleaning products. You should never use bleach or

lysol. Soapy water or rubbing alcohol works just fine. I'm thinking

the bleach could be part of your problem.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: thor_ak]
    #14558711 - 06/04/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

For GB's, tubs, etc.  I've found the best way to clean is to first use a sponge and some basic antibacterial soapy water.  This will get off all the dirt/grime and some contams.

Then, I take a paper towel, put on gloves and lightly saturate the towel with bleach.  I then wipe down all sides of the container with the bleach and it'll leave a very thing film of bleach all over the container.  Then discard the towel and let the tub dry for 5 minutes.

The next step I do is spray some generic cheap WMart lysol on all six sides and let that sit for a few mins.

The last step is to soak another paper towel in h202 and wipe down all six sides.  If I'm going to be storing the unit for awhile before use again, I then put the lid on the container and put some masking tape over the holes and store it somewhere.  Otherwise, you're g2g to put in use again.

Another couple from notes on tub maintenance:
1) When you drill holes, put the drill to low or medium speed and while supporting the area around the hole you'll be drilling with your hand (be careful, don't drill through your hand), lightly drill the hole if using a standard cheap drill bit.  This will keep the tub from cracking.  Cracking is very very common, so you want to use special plastic bits if possible, use ones with sharp points, and are designed to keep the material from "riding up" the bit, making it crack.  Use slow to medium speed with these bits.
2) General notes on tubs, most of the ones people use are Sterilite tubs, which are made from a polyolefin called PP, or Polypropylene, which unfortunately has the same bonding characteristics of it's cousin Polyethylene.  You can tell by looking at your tub for the triangle with a 5 in it.  This means it is made from PP, almost all Sterilite and Rubbermaid products sport a triangle with a 5 in it usually on the bottom.  So you have a couple options to glue the cracks, i generally will use cheap plastic epoxy and first take a propane torch on low to oxidize the surface to be glued until it's shiny,then apply the plastic.  I'm gonna post a mild tek on handling tubs, since this is tmi for this post, but necessary for anyone using Sterilite or Rubbermaid tubs, which is everyone.

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