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First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice
    #14544363 - 06/01/11 06:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I started by journey into mushroom cultivation in early April with two syringes, one of B+ and one of Illusion Weavers. I used the rye flour, vermiculite technique and they grew in the jars just fine. It took them around a month to finish their takeovers of the jars, and my boyfriend and I were very excited about birthdays.

We dunked them for around fifteen hours and then rolled some in vermiculite and some not, to see if it made any difference. Then we birthed the cakes into our constructed fruiting chamber.

Now, a word about said chamber. It's a huge rubbermaid container, with about four inches of perlite in the bottom. We bleached the bejesus out of the container and washed the perlite with boiling water before the kids were allowed in. There are holes drilled all over the sides, but not in the lid. The kids were placed on pieces of tinfoil and sat on the perlite.

For two weeks we sprayed and fanned them daily. We lost three due to a mold infestation, but everyone seems to be ok now. Most of them (except the strange Illusion Weavers) are white and fluffy. Except we HAVE NO PINS! And ONE SAD MUSHROOM! I can't imagine what we are doing wrong! The humidity hovers around 100% and the temperature is around 70F (though we boosted it with a heating pad in the perlite last night in the hopes of seeing improvement)and they are fanned three times a day. Until yesterday they had the twelve hours on and off light of the bathroom, but we upped our guns with a lizard light 6500K in the correct blue-green spectrum. I don't know that this will make any difference.

I just need help! I've raised them on a diet of positive vibes and music for three hours a day. I've taken meticulous care of the kids and recorded their journeys individually. They even have names! It just breaks my heart to see that they aren't maturing after so much love. Any advice would be VERY GREATLY appreciated.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14544408 - 06/01/11 07:33 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

A pic of your fruiting chamber would help :wink:

- Not a so big trouble to do not have holes in the lid, that should fruit anyway.
- 70° is pretty fine. The heating pad can tend to over dry the chamber or the cakes plus the temp will be really higher at the bottom of your FC compared to the rest of the volume. I would remove the pad.
- 100% Rh humidity can be too much. Watch to do not have too much sitting droplets water on your cakes. How do you humidify your chamber, spray bottle ? electrical humidifier ? Just wet perlite ?
- fanned 3 times a day seems ok.
- Bathroom light, i guess sun light no ? That can de the problem. The new light system will correct the trouble if it comes from the light.

I would tend to think the problem CAN come from the light. As i said earlier, a pic would really help :wink:


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14544458 - 06/01/11 07:58 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Your procedure sounds pretty damn perfect

1) I would make sure to calibrate your hydrometer to verify that you are getting an accurate rH reading.
-providing that you are getting the correct reading, I would just make sure that your cakes dont have a bunch of droplets on them like mill said.

2) Also like mill said, I think your problem (if there is one, they might have yet to start pinning, but 3 weeks would really be your max, imo) is the light. I have never used any kind of special lighting and have always gotten good results. I have always used just normal room lighting or at most a lamp aimed at my FC,

Other than those 2 things, it sounds like you did your homework and have a good set-up and method.

I too would like to see a picture of your FC just to see if there is anything that jumps out. I am guessing you have polyfil in the holes in your FC


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: mill]
    #14544462 - 06/01/11 08:03 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Here are the pics of the chamber and the children.






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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14544490 - 06/01/11 08:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Um, your problem is that your cakes do not appear to be fully colonized


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14544586 - 06/01/11 08:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

How do you mean? They took over the jars 100% prior to birthing and had their three day sit. should I let them stay in the jars longer?


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14544879 - 06/01/11 10:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

My cakes produced one huge friggin' mushroom, and then, like 2 days later they all pinned like crazy. Maybe just a little bit more time. Get rid of the heating pad. I fan my cakes more often than you are, maybe some more fresh air would help?


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14544886 - 06/01/11 10:53 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The need to sit in the jars for another week after they colonize 100%. Dont use a heating pad. Temps in the 70's is good. You need more holes in your fc. They need to be 1/4" holes, on all six sides, and they need to be 2" apart. Use either indirect sunlight or a 6500k light bulb.

That one in the back middle looks weird.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14545066 - 06/01/11 12:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Um, your problem is that your cakes do not appear to be fully colonized




that's just verm.

I think your problem is a combination of things.

Well, how long has it been since you birthed them? it can often take ~2 weeks to see any pins if theyre slow.

Also, you need 1/4 inch holes drilled every 2 inches on ALL sides. This includes the top and bottom. I don't see that you have done that. Also, they need the correct lighting at 6500k.

Also, fully colonized cakes are very resistant to contam. You don't need to boil the perlite, and i doubt you lost any to contam that werent already fucked before you birthed them.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14545096 - 06/01/11 12:21 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I missed where he said he dunk and rolled them. I was never a fan of rolling them after dunking personally


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14545158 - 06/01/11 12:43 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Here are the pics of the chamber and the children.









you messed up the fruiting chamber.

look at the PROPER SGFC link in my sig.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: k00laid]
    #14545740 - 06/01/11 03:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Okie dokie! I really appreciate all the coming advice. I'm going to go out and do the airation stone method to move some more CO2, and I'll drill more holes in the FC this evening. I took the heating pad out, and I'm glad to hear that the light will help us out.

On a seperate note, do you guys think we should be waiting until we see pins in the jars before we birth them, and in that case would we still need to dunk and roll?


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14545800 - 06/01/11 03:41 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I dont think you need to drill more holes, your FC looks fine. Adding an bubble-stone is a good idea to promote FAE

The light doesnt really matter, imo. Ive never used any kind of special lighting and only got bad results when I messed up and got contams.

I wouldnt wait to see pins. The jars should be kept in complete darkness anyways so they shouldnt start pinning unless you leave them for like 6-7 weeks. But it doesnt really matter if they start to pin or not.

I always recommend dunking, rehydration is very important after a long period of colonization. I dont like rolling my jars though


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: hotelvoodoo]
    #14545874 - 06/01/11 03:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

FAE is an important factor in fruiting. Drill more holes, on all six sides. Lighting is another factor in fruiting; it tells the fungi to enter its fruiting stage. Also, jars can be exposed to light, it has little to no significance on colonization. Fruit your cakes a week after full colonization, regardless of pinning, dunk and roll. (As previously noted)

Your setup doesn't seem faulty enough to where your little guys wouldn't fruit, though. I'd give it some more time, and just increase air exchange and make sure it doesn't get dry in there.

Good luck!


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: Jonow]
    #14545971 - 06/01/11 04:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

More holes? he already has a bunch. More holes isnt the issue.

Light is important to induce pinning and telling the mushrooms which direction to grow but it isnt nearly as important as some people think. Like I said, ive been growing for 3-4 years and never once used anything except room lighting

Jars "can" be exposed to light but it isnt suggested. they colonize best in complete darkness


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14546035 - 06/01/11 04:33 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

its not the number of holes that matters. What matters is that they are quarter inch holes ALL DRILLED EXACTLY 2 INCHES APART. on ALL SIX SIDES. Which they did not do correctly.

Failure to follow these parameters will lead to inferior conditions. These specs arent just bullshit somebody made up...its proven to keep humidity it needs to be this way.

also don't bother with a bubble air stone. and don't put a heat pad in there. You are overcomplicating the process and your mistake lies in not following the directions precisely.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14546039 - 06/01/11 04:35 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

She has about half the amount of holes the shotgun should have. Lighting isn't the most important fruiting factor, however, it is one of them. Mycellium growth is, if at all, insignificantly affected by light.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14546053 - 06/01/11 04:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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The light doesnt really matter, imo. Ive never used any kind of special lighting and only got bad results when I messed up and got contams.




You will still get fruits by using a light of a "warmer" color temperature. But they prefer a blue temp. 6500k being the best for these conditions, and your pinset will thank you for it.

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I wouldnt wait to see pins. The jars should be kept in complete darkness anyways so they shouldnt start pinning unless you leave them for like 6-7 weeks.




They don't need to be in complete dark this is old info. It is now proven that colonizing myc can benefit from indirect sunlight. like sitting on your bookshelf for example.


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14546062 - 06/01/11 04:38 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Like I said, ive been growing for 3-4 years and never once used anything except room lighting





I would like to see some of your results


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Re: First Time Grower - In Need Of Serious Advice [Re: shroomiin]
    #14546073 - 06/01/11 04:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly, the number of holes doesnt matter as long as they are getting the proper amount of FAE and holding the correct humidity and temperature. So adding more holes isnt going to do shit.

Ive used that exact terrarium setup when I was first starting and dont recall any problems. I soon got fed up because wet perlite is a bitch to work with. I spilled some once and it took me forever to clean up. That's when I switched to monotubs.


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