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species wide brain injury * 1
    #14543957 - 06/01/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Modern science (or more accurately the brains and minds of modern scientists) continues to interpret a wealth of data from a number of disciplines on the basis of the untested presumption that our neural system is fully functional and at the pinnacle of its evolution.
Such a presumption or untested belief is according to scientific protocol ‘bad science’. Even if there were no hint of dysfunction in the human condition it would be prudent to eliminate the remotest possibility of a flaw in our perception in what is effectively our only tool of investigation. Furthermore, if our brain and its associated perception, psychology and the behaviour and culture it manifests really are a reflection of its advanced ability then surely it would be hard to convince anyone at all that it may be seriously impaired. That an increasing number of leading scholars and academics who have studied human behaviour and evolution are supporting such a scenario is in its self a major paradox.

For the last three years scientists at the Centre for the Mind have been attempting to find out if a higher level of mental functioning may be available to all of us. Professor Allan Snyder has proposed that such functions are latent in everyone and are suppressed by the activity of the ‘evolutionary advanced’ rational side of the brain. By ‘switching off’ the left side of the brain, they hoped to turn ‘normal’ people into ‘geniuses’.


Initially treated with scepticism, recent results have caused shock waves in the scientific community. It appears that a whole new layer of function lies dormant in all of us. Have they found the key to our future evolution or have they unknowingly unlocked an ancient mystery that has its origins in prehistory?


A new theory of human evolution, proposed by Tony Wright and Graham Gynn in ‘Left in the Dark’, convincingly argues that the human brain owes part of its extraordinary development to the biochemistry of a specialist fruit diet. The hormone-related chemicals in tropical fruit initiated an internal hormone mechanism that increasingly promoted brain growth and elevated neural activity. When humans were forced from their tropical forest ‘Garden of Eden’ some two hundred thousand years ago, this link with biochemically rich fruit was lost.

check out
http://leftinthedark.org.uk/introducing
http://chooserightnow.com/node/2

What do you guys and gals think of the possibility of species wide brain injury?


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #14543986 - 06/01/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Also check out:











There's a couple more interviews with tony wright on youtube if your interested.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #14543998 - 06/01/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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blingbling said:
What do you guys and gals think?



I think that you are a few sammiches short of a picnic and that this thread belongs in the conspiracy/mysticism or whatever forums.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14544603 - 06/01/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Afraid I am with German K

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Cause someone has a theory and claims to have made great strides does not make it true nor accepted...  I do not believe most biologist would say the human brain or nervous system are the pinnacle of anything.. It's the results of millions of years of 'natural selection', but evolution does not stop cause people came along.

I also do the money test... If someone is out to make a buck on some fringe theory, then I have to be skeptical.... Search the web for 'horizontal water' for a good example


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14544610 - 06/01/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

German Kahuna said:
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blingbling said:
What do you guys and gals think?



I think that you are a few sammiches short of a picnic and that this thread belongs in the conspiracy/mysticism or whatever forums.



Aww man, now I want a sammich!


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: LanLord]
    #14544774 - 06/01/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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LanLord said:
Quote:

German Kahuna said:
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blingbling said:
What do you guys and gals think?



I think that you are a few sammiches short of a picnic and that this thread belongs in the conspiracy/mysticism or whatever forums.



Aww man, now I want a sammich!




Make me a sammich!
bro!

:lolsy:


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14544848 - 06/01/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

diet and development is tightly linked so sure. intresting


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #14547839 - 06/01/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I wouldn't take this theory at face value but it does raise some interesting questions. For example: if society is an emergent property of the human mind what do we do if the the human mind is in itself destructive?


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791680 - 02/11/12 07:59 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this...After looking into it for years and experimenting..it all fits. And what you can experience is beyond our left brains ability to even begin to comprehend

There is a reason why dennis mckenna, winkelman, colin groves, stan grof, and many, many other excellent scientists and minds are behind this. Its because there is a metric fuckton of hard evidence presented.

Heres one good review..carefully read the bottom

"Left in the Dark expounds the most radical reinterpretation of existing evidence from the disciplines of evolution, ecology, neurology, psychology, anthropology and other academic fields, whilst also placing the ancient "Ages of Mankind" mythology and related traditions within a scientific context. These universal traditions were once the only version of history we had, they describe the onset and progression of a neurodegenerative condition that really has left us in the dark. Often considered no more than the imaginings of a primitive mind and easy to dismiss as mere myths, they are in fact a more accurate natural history of humankind than modern science has thus far recognised. The book outlines the origin and nature of a condition that eventually left us virtually blind to its existence. Evidence is cited that supports such a scenario. A means of definitively testing its validity is proposed and most importantly what can be done to treat the condition and prevent its occurrence. While this may seem a challenging prospect it promises amongst other things the restoration of phenomenal abilities, exceptional immune function and most importantly a greatly enhanced state of mind and well being only rarely glimpsed by a tiny minority.

A neurodegenerative theory, such as the one outlined in Left in the Dark, which proposes that the development of our brain has become seriously retarded would accurately predict a number of major psychological symptoms.

For example making sense of who or what we are or recognising the insanity of our day to day behaviour would be virtually impossible.

Furthermore such a theory would predict that  even if there were overwhelming evidence to support such a scenario we would be slow to understand the context, specific nature and severity of our predicament, even if it were pointed out in laypersons language!
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put two and two together..(and realize thats only one tiny bit of the mountain of evidence:

our brains stopped the mysteriously rapid expansion and are shrinking

diet affects brain size


He actually launched a new book project a week or so ago in hopes of getting mainstream attention so people can start waking their butts up

www.indiegogo.com/Make-up-your-own-mind


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791706 - 02/11/12 08:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

blingbling said:
Modern science (or more accurately the brains and minds of modern scientists) continues to interpret a wealth of data from a number of disciplines on the basis of the untested presumption that our neural system is fully functional and at the pinnacle of its evolution.
Such a presumption or untested belief is according to scientific protocol ‘bad science’. Even if there were no hint of dysfunction in the human condition it would be prudent to eliminate the remotest possibility of a flaw in our perception in what is effectively our only tool of investigation. Furthermore, if our brain and its associated perception, psychology and the behaviour and culture it manifests really are a reflection of its advanced ability then surely it would be hard to convince anyone at all that it may be seriously impaired. That an increasing number of leading scholars and academics who have studied human behaviour and evolution are supporting such a scenario is in its self a major paradox.

For the last three years scientists at the Centre for the Mind have been attempting to find out if a higher level of mental functioning may be available to all of us. Professor Allan Snyder has proposed that such functions are latent in everyone and are suppressed by the activity of the ‘evolutionary advanced’ rational side of the brain. By ‘switching off’ the left side of the brain, they hoped to turn ‘normal’ people into ‘geniuses’.


Initially treated with scepticism, recent results have caused shock waves in the scientific community. It appears that a whole new layer of function lies dormant in all of us. Have they found the key to our future evolution or have they unknowingly unlocked an ancient mystery that has its origins in prehistory?


A new theory of human evolution, proposed by Tony Wright and Graham Gynn in ‘Left in the Dark’, convincingly argues that the human brain owes part of its extraordinary development to the biochemistry of a specialist fruit diet. The hormone-related chemicals in tropical fruit initiated an internal hormone mechanism that increasingly promoted brain growth and elevated neural activity. When humans were forced from their tropical forest ‘Garden of Eden’ some two hundred thousand years ago, this link with biochemically rich fruit was lost.

check out
http://leftinthedark.org.uk/introducing
http://chooserightnow.com/node/2

What do you guys and gals think of the possibility of species wide brain injury?




there is no pinacle of evolution and any scientist knows that.

being more evolved means being able to survive better than other species.
In regard to life on earth we are pretty evolved don't you think?

but if you take an other referencial such as an underground lake, a bacteria living inside is more evolved than us, because we wouldn't be able to survive.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791722 - 02/11/12 08:13 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

wow! you must have dug around to find this thread. i've kind of come to the conclusion that what can be understood as symptoms of species wide retardation are in fact an inevitable consequence of being smart enough to realize our own demise. people then project their failings onto others to avoid the threat of death.

this theory does have some evidence though. the move from a hunter gatherer society into an agricultural one could have resulted in brain damage to many people due to the lack of proper vitamins and minerals. however, this is probably just one piece of the puzzle just as my before mentioned idea.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791776 - 02/11/12 08:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting you all are coming to such solid conclusions without even looking at the evidence..Almost supports that we are all severely deluded, no? :grin:

There is a free .pdf on the book page of his site.

At least read the forward by McKenna :-P http://leftinthedark.org.uk/Files/Foreword%20as%20in%20book.pdf


Terence himself basically outlined this scenario..although it was mushrooms. Not sure if they had anything to do with it now, maybe.. but it seems more likely they came into play later in our history



“ You must cut through the aura of programming and cultural assumptions that sorround us from the moment we are able to speak. The only way this can be done is by dissolving the boundaries of ego. Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviors are acceptable. “

“the goal can now be stated. What this is all about is a return to archaism. With the lessons learned in history..thats where we were happy. The fall was a fall..into a veil of tears..into a world of limitation and pain and suffering and infectious disease and so forth and so on. It’s a prodigal journey into a lower dimension that can now be ended by a collective cultural decision to commit to this Taoist shamanistic feminized cybernetic caring aware present kind of being. Think of the number of people who suffered and died so that we could sit under this tree this morning.”



Terence talking about symbiosis: “I believe that the lost secret of human emergence..the undefined catalyst that took a very bright monkey and turned that species into a self-reflecting dreamer..that catalyst has to be sought in these alkaloids in the food chain that were catalyzing higher states of intellectual activity.”


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791791 - 02/11/12 08:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

there are no solid conclusions. everything is problematic. i just feel that a lot of people misuse this theory so that they can claim they are more evolved than another because they ate nothing but sticks and berries for two years. imo there is a kind of species wide pathology but i've come to realize that it is more a social phenomena than a dietary one.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791803 - 02/11/12 08:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I've never heard anyone use this theory to claim they are 'more evolved' than anyone else..But your right many people do think they are 'better' because they do healthier things. But this is just how nuts our society is these days. That says absolutely nothing about the theory. Although i do think people who eat burger king really need to wake the fuck up :crazy2:

And merely starting a healthy diet is NOT enough to revert the damage completely or lift the left brain dominance in itself. Combinations of techniques (used for thousands of years) in combination with psychedelics is the best way i've found


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791827 - 02/11/12 09:07 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

how can you have found? have you used psychedelics for thousands of years?


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791844 - 02/11/12 09:13 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

..yoga..meditation..sleep deprivation..shamanic plants..ect ect

All used for thousands upon thousands of years..

hehe, yea i guess my post did sound a bit odd with the wording :smirk:


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791857 - 02/11/12 09:18 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

but how do you know that these practices prevent species wide brain damage? the people who use these practices are just as likely to commit atrocities as any other.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791878 - 02/11/12 09:26 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"but how do you know that these practices prevent species wide brain damage?"

I'm not saying they prevent the condition. They are just some techniques employed to quiet the left brain chatter and access the right brain. Theres a reason Wilson and Leary's 8 circuit model fits perfectly with this theory. They intuited as much, but they didn't have the scientific evidence we now have.

"the people who use these practices are just as likely to commit atrocities as any other."

Not saying they aren't. Although that is somewhat debatable, since often the type of person who would want to SERIOUSLY (not just some dude taking mushrooms to get 'fucked up') engage in any of those things in the first place is likely to not be a serial killer, george bush, justin beiber, martha stuart, or some equally brain damaged critter :grin:

How many trip reports have we read of people saying things like i 'saw the world in a new way' ..'felt a connection with the earth and my real self that i didn't think was possible' ect. They definitely have the ability to catalyze a huge change in perspective and behavior, although they aren't a total fix and it still is up to you to keep it up afterwards. They also don't seem to do much to completely idiotic people, as most know by now


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791900 - 02/11/12 09:33 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

How many trip reports have we read of people saying things like i 'saw the world in a new way' ..'felt a connection with the earth and my real self that i didn't think was possible' ect. They definitely have the ability to catalyze a huge change in perspective and behavior, although they aren't a total fix and it still is up to you to keep it up afterwards. They also don't seem to do much to completely idiotic people, as most know by now

you have a point but this is all hear say, and people like to say what they like to hear.

often the type of person who would want to SERIOUSLY (not just some dude taking mushrooms to get 'fucked up') engage in any of those things in the first place is likely to not be a serial killer, george bush, justin beiber, martha stuart, or some equally brain damaged critter :grin:


this is completely untrue. tribes living in the amazon which have been exposed to ayahuasca for thousands of years still engage in warfare and are just as crippled by greed as any other, and this has been going on long before westerners set foot on south america. human sacrifice was often coupled with the use of psychedelics.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15791937 - 02/11/12 09:44 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

like i said, just using these things is not fixing the damage thats been done over 200,000 years, but it CAN help some people if used intelligently. Thats not to say they aren't misused, brujeria is a perfect example. And many of the ancient cultures like the mayans who used these things were unbelievably advanced. We still don't understand how they knew what they knew in many respects. It was only later that they're society degraded and eventually fell apart. Sacrifice came into play then when everything got more distorted.

This all doesn't negate the hard evidence we have now anyway. No offence but I don't feel like arguing when you haven't even look at any of it..  Just sayin

The things in fruit modify the endocrine system, they stimulate neural activity, pineal gland functions, and most importanly modify transcription (read the dna) which alters what cells, and ultimately what structures, are built. Hundreds of thousands of these things fueled out brains and bodies for millions of years. We've known this but now we know they're affects on us, and the internal feedback loop they initiated, and the negative one initiated when we left the forest

Its very complex but the logic, at its core, is simple.

If you change the fuel and build materials of a system, the functionality and structure of the system will inevitably change. We've only just begun to apply this same obvious logic to the brain, the most sensitive and complex bio-technological tissue in the known universe..(and biologist katherine milton found our diet (fuel and build materials) now adays contains on average 5% of what it used to..)


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791958 - 02/11/12 09:50 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

This all doesn't negate the hard evidence we have now anyway. No offence but I don't feel like arguing when you haven't even look at any of it..  Just sayin

i feel confident that i have weighed the evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion... however unfinished it may be. to be honest i think a bit too much gets read into this theory but i stand by it in the fashion that i see fit. any student of man should take this theory into account but imo it is not the be all to end all.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15792021 - 02/11/12 10:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You've read the book then? I got the impression you hadn't. Apologies..but honestly it doesn't seem like you've looked really at much of the evidence so i find that hard to believe


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: frost458]
    #15793784 - 02/11/12 05:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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there is no pinacle of evolution and any scientist knows that.

being more evolved means being able to survive better than other species.

In regard to life on earth we are pretty evolved don't you think? (yea..but we have killed millions of our own (and other) species in this century alone, drove many extinct, are ignorantly wiping out entire ecosystems, and threatening the planet in virtually every way possible while most of our genius goes towards bullshit material distractions and ever more efficient technologies designed to kill other people..strange for the most intelligent species on the planet..like something isn't off here )
but if you take an other referencial such as an underground lake, a bacteria living inside is more evolved than us, because we wouldn't be able to survive.





What is being overlooked in the orthodox darwinian model of human evolution is the overwhelming evidence of symbiosis and its big/unique implications on this whole process.

Symbiosis proliferates on probably all levels of organic nature, as we are finding more and more. As Terence McKenna said, perhaps half tongue in cheek, "plants evolved animals so they could move their seeds around.." This is literally one of the reasons why fruit (which is literally a womb for the seeds) is how it is: to attract animals to eat it so that they disperse its seeds around the forest floor. This becomes a win win situation, to put it lightly. This is largely why the chemicals in food like this are so good for us, and make us feel great to. Just consider this scenario for a moment..

It is an undisputed fact that we originated in Africa, where our big brained fruit eating cousins still thrive..and that throughout a span of tens of millions of years we began incorporating higher amounts of fruit in our diet as we moved off insects. We also know food affects brain size and that fruit is one of the most, if not the most complex and and nutritious foods on the entire planet. It literally flooded our brains from before birth until death for an extremely long time..quite literally tens of millions of years

The thousands of flavonoids in fruit literally are transcription modifiers, meaning they are involved in chemically reading the DNA and changing how it is expressed..In other words, they alter how literally everything from cells to organs to brains are built, since this is all accomplished through transcription. Not only that, but its also proven that they stimulate pineal gland and brain activity.. Which creates a circular loop since this results in more transcription modifying chemicals produced by the pineal, and more brain activity, and on and on it goes.

Thousands upon thousands of these fruit chemicals flooded the womb the entire time the DNA was building the child because the mother was eating this cocktail of fruit bio-chemistry..and this extended until after birth via breastfeeding where they would also be present. And then on into life as it began to eat by itself and acquire them directly. ( and yes mothers diet can affect child long into life http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080616151748.htm )

We also know our brains mysteriously exploded in both its size and complexity faster than any other organ in any animal in the  ENTIRE ARCHEOLOGICAL RECORD..and as i said and showed in the links, they've now stalled and are contracting. Re-read that so it sinks in please :eek:  :sun:


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    #15793822 - 02/11/12 05:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Its no coincidence the most complex tissue in the known universe evolved during a symbiosis with the most complex orchestra of food we have ever seen flooding it for millions upon millions of years. How could suddenly removing virtually ALL of the thousands of fruit chemicals that were reading the DNA and thus drastically altering how our entire organism is built NOT make an absolutely humungus difference?

If NASA was to dramatically change how they read or interpreted ( aka transcription) the blueprint(DNA) of a space shuttle, and then went about building it that way, would any sane person seriously think it would function as it did before? Our brains are light years beyond ANY technology we have created in its sheer complexity and sensitivity to even minute changes in its chemical make up (as any person who's taken mere micrograms of lsd knows this much!)..and this is on a scale of millions upon millions of years and bam..suddenly our DNA looses basically all these transcription chemicals and its read totally different.



This is all very well supported by what science now knows..not to mention what many ancient "myths" have always known. Even the bible talks about our naked, fruit eating, forest dwelling past as we lived basically one with "god" (not that i'm religious, but you get the idea) This mirrors MANY other "myths"..

If you scroll down to the bottom of that link there is proof flavonoids affect transcription, are MAOI, are anti-oxidants, as well as aromatase inhibitors..and thats just the flavonoids


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    #15795065 - 02/11/12 09:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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You've read the book then? I got the impression you hadn't. Apologies..but honestly it doesn't seem like you've looked really at much of the evidence so i find that hard to believe




i don't read books, i criticize them. but seriously i haven't read the book but i've watched just about every interview with the author that's on the net. i think he's got some valid points but what he's trying to explain is very complex. there is probably a lot more to species pathology than diet.

having said that, reading through your posts have sparked my interest in this subject again. perhaps i will have to take the plunge and read the book. but in the mean time i have a question for you. if our diet is getting so bad then why are we living longer than ever? and don't simply boil this down to modern medicine. it might play a large role but it is not the only contributor.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15795292 - 02/11/12 10:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You don't hear of people who eat McDonalds living to 110 do you? :wink: There is some great stories, even on youtube, of people living to high ages and they blame their healthy diets.

Interesting question. Although realize (and i mean no offense by this, lol)its our left brains tendency is to pick out anything its deluded mind doesn't understand and then amplify it as if it disproves whatever information thats threatening its models of the world and self, essentially. And similarly it over-amplifies evidence for its models

I have to go into our notion of history to even begin to fully answer, and this isn't tony's opinion, its mine. i forget what the book said on this but it does go into this area quite a bit. First let me say there is so many factors here..and even changing diet alone is not nearly all that a total fix would have to involve. We're just too far gone. But it is a necessary fundamental element and combined with other things can facilitate a huge shift very quickly..

First we need to take these ancient myths a bit more seriously. Although they are often in poetic right-brained metaphor, many (and this is across continents and dozens of groups) do directly say that in the past their ancestors were literally far more advanced than them..and that they lived to incredible ages.

There is also a solid amount of evidence (much is in the book) that has documented the extremely rapid degrading of the health of isolated people who ate mostly plants and things like that until encountering westerners. With their shift in diet (which itself was already very different from what we evolved on) to even just things like grains came some astonishing affects on their health and life span. And how many stories have you heard of the native americans and other groups who had never even heard of diseases or colds or anything until encountering white man?

If there is any truth to this theory then our modern ideas of linear evolutionary unfoldment are bound to have some serious holes in them..since our conception of the world, and our culture itself in all its ideological facets, reflects our inner state of mind and any glitches in the system. There is some good evidence that its not that simple..and that progress happens in spurts. This is supported by the growing evidence of various earth 'cataclysms' that actually occur far more frequently than we previously though. We may just be on another cusp of one of these spurts in progress, although the underlying and increasing neural degradation still would be overlaying over all this..

Graham hancock goes into this a lot. 20,000 years ago was the last glacial maximum. There was literally 2 mile high glaciers over much of the north hemisphere, even most of the US. Now these things melted over a period of many thousands of years, and so most thought the consequential rise in sea level (400ft since then!) would be gradual and not pose a major threat to the humans living at the time- the majority of which were probably occupying the warm areas that were left, often along the coast since this is where we tend to thrive. Ironically its the coastline that was hit hard when these things melted and millions upon millions of square miles were lost.

Tons of recent evidence shows that the melting wasn't so gradual. There was 3 distinct stages of very rapid meltdown (the hindu vedas literally mention these three stages in the same time frame as the ones that occurred..).

Also, on top of these glaciers huge ocean-sized pools of water would form from melting ice, and once the barriers gave way then it would all surge across the continents and eventually reach the ocean- causing a dramatic rise in sea level literally overnight. There is a ton of evidence for this sort of thing, and thats only one form of cataclysm. Graham hancock has literally dove off the coast of cultures that have long standing myths of a previous city submerged beneath the waves and found ruins that would have to be FAR older than anything we even thought humans were capable of at the time. Orthodox people are so slow to turn onto his research but he has overwhelming evidence and even pictures on his site http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/default.htm

Coincidentally..how many myths of the flood are there? TONS! Its not only noahs arch or the epic of gilgamesh..there are dozens in the americas as well as asia, and other areas that share these 'myths'. Even some on islands separated from these cultures for thousands upon thousands of years share these myths.

And so in light of this the progress of our knowledge of medicine and foods, along with our access to good food, did grow in comparison with only recent times. but in the past we probably did live much much longer. Theres probably a lot more to it though

And admittedly medicine does have something to do with it but it fits in well with this other idea of cultural 'progress'. Although our insanity still shines bright if you look at what most people do on a daily basis and overall health is still degrading at a fast rate, as looking around at all the problems proliferating (both physiological and cultural)clearly shows. i mean heres just one example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16581674

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    #15795410 - 02/11/12 11:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

but in the past we probably did live much much longer.

seriously?? if we take into account all the available evidence we find that humans, on average, did not live as long as they are doing now.

imo your ideas have some merit but i think you may be pulling too many unrelated phenomena together to sustain your world view.


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    #15795437 - 02/11/12 11:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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seriously?? if we take into account all the available evidence we find that humans, on average, did not live as long as they are doing now.




The life of Li Qing Yuen is the most well documented case of extreme longevity known.


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    #15795498 - 02/11/12 11:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

if his story is true then he is by far a statistical outlier and is in no way representative of the majority.


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    #15795758 - 02/12/12 12:25 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I try not to believe in anything really and remain open to the info. And these aren't my new ideas at all, they're pretty well evidenced things others have figured out

Your really not looking at this from an evolutionary viewpoint it seems. I mean how long have we even been documenting peoples ages? And who's ages were they? I've not once seen a person who lived to these incredible ages who lived in western society on a standard american diet.

Besides these demographics have largely been focused on westerners, which had pretty shitty and short lives for the past few thousand years(which is no time compared to 200,000). Just because we've collectively figured some stuff out about it and gained access to better foods and medicinal info doesn't refute all this. Our average health through that period is crap compared to 'primitive' people- most of which hadn't even heard of disease before us and seemed to live long lives from what we know about them before we arrived (which isn't too much in a lot of cases since we often wiped many of them out and destroyed there stuff.. although they're 'myths' consistently say their ancestors lived much longer and fuller lives..why on earth could that be?)

I think if we had a fuller picture of peoples lifespans, across many cultures, and for more than just a couple decades/centuries and instead thousands upon thousands of years, we'd find some interesting stuff


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    #15796203 - 02/12/12 04:25 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Just because we've collectively figured some stuff out about it and gained access to better foods and medicinal info doesn't refute all this.

i agree.

Your really not looking at this from an evolutionary viewpoint it seems. I mean how long have we even been documenting peoples ages? And who's ages were they?

we can tell quite a lot from bones, so i hear.

I've not once seen a person who lived to these incredible ages who lived in western society on a standard american diet.

different races of people tend to have different life expectancies :shrug: obviously environmental factors play a huge part in this.

Besides these demographics have largely been focused on westerners, which had pretty shitty and short lives for the past few thousand years(which is no time compared to 200,000).

i think that's a big reason why we fight disease better than indigenous people. we had to deal with the plague and all sorts of other nasties for hundreds of years and they have only recently been introduced to the diseases.


I think if we had a fuller picture of peoples lifespans, across many cultures, and for more than just a couple decades/centuries and instead thousands upon thousands of years, we'd find some interesting stuff

definitely.

they're 'myths' consistently say their ancestors lived much longer and fuller lives..why on earth could that be?

this does not sway me at all.

primitive' people- most of which hadn't even heard of disease before us

that's because most of them would have referred to disease as evil spirits.


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    #15796977 - 02/12/12 10:40 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I honestly am not sure myself since i haven't looked into this in quite a while, so perhaps my thoughts would change on the matter

but the book does go into this a bit. ( http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdf ). It mentions groups of people in the high andeas, and kashmir, who have been reported to live to 140 and unlike in our society where disease would likely cripple them long before the end they retain most of their lucidity and quality of life all the way through. They also ate quite a bit of fruit, among other things, but thats not to say their diet was the perfect one since like most people it was limited by their environment. Perhaps the reason we don't see more of this also has to do with the fact that we can't find documentation to conclusively verify the ages of many of these types of groups?


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    #15802411 - 02/13/12 10:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Afraid I am with German K

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Cause someone has a theory and claims to have made great strides does not make it true nor accepted...  I do not believe most biologist would say the human brain or nervous system are the pinnacle of anything.. It's the results of millions of years of 'natural selection', but evolution does not stop cause people came along.

I also do the money test... If someone is out to make a buck on some fringe theory, then I have to be skeptical.... Search the web for 'horizontal water' for a good example




Well if you take a look the evidence for the theory is very strong. It makes no sense to brush this off as 'not having evidence' without even looking at the evidence..

And if he was just trying to make a buck on some 'fringe theory' (which would be especially strange considering there is many academics in strong support of it and the data from many branches of science support it) then why on earth would he be giving his lifes work out for free on the web?

Just saying..Those were some wild assumptions your making.. And as you said. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence :wink:


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    #15806923 - 02/14/12 04:39 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, i don't think that Tony Wright is out to make a buck. from the interviews i've seen he seems like a very genuine person and his theory does have some evidence that should at least be looked at.


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    #15806969 - 02/14/12 05:19 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I hadn't read the thing on tropical fruit in the original post.

The Li Qing Yuen I mentioned is said to have consumed goji berries daily.

Goji Berries contain polysaccharides which fortify the immune system. A polysaccharide found in this fruit has been found to be a powerful secretagogue (a substance that stimulates the secretion of rejuvenative human growth hormone by the pituitary gland).
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Goji Berries have been traditionally regarded as a longevity, strength-building, and sexual potency food. In several study groups with elderly people the goji berry was given once a day for 3 weeks. Many beneficial results were experienced and 67% of the patients experienced 3x higher T cell function and the 2x higher activity in white cell interleukin-2. In addition, the results showed that all the patients' spirit and optimism increased significantly, appetite improved in 95% of the patients, 95% of the patients slept better, and 35% of the patients partially recovered their sexual function.


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    #15806996 - 02/14/12 05:36 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i heard goji berries were a hoax. even if their not it's just a fad and will probably pass soon enough.


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    #15807341 - 02/14/12 08:40 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'v heard its well documented that goji berries were very good for you but no time to look into it at the moment..Regardless, they taste great and are still in my smoothies in the morning :sun:


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    #15807535 - 02/14/12 10:00 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I think a good diet leads to better thinking, throw in some psyches, regular exercise and meditation, and some nootropics and you too can rise above the squares. I dont know about the whole Garden of Eden thing, but a diet rich in plants will help you think better then with a diet rich in toxic crap.


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    #15808578 - 02/14/12 03:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yea like i said combining a plant based un-cooked diet with frequent psychedelic use is the most beneficial move I've made in my entire life. Many others i know agree. The synergy is obvious


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    #15818572 - 02/16/12 12:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Here's a thread on evolver on this

McKenna says it all- “I believe that the lost secret of human emergence..the undefined catalyst that took a very bright monkey and turned that species into a self-reflecting dreamer..that catalyst has to be sought in these alkaloids in the food chain that were catalyzing higher states of intellectual activity.”

Same intuition on the mechanism by which symbiosis can alter a species evolutionary course. He often said diet and mushrooms..And given the fact that Terence admits he got most of his good ideas from dennis, and how dennis wrote the forward, i think he'd agree with this theory in light of the new evidence- if he were still around n kickin. RIP  <3


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