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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15791958 - 02/11/12 09:50 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

This all doesn't negate the hard evidence we have now anyway. No offence but I don't feel like arguing when you haven't even look at any of it..  Just sayin

i feel confident that i have weighed the evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion... however unfinished it may be. to be honest i think a bit too much gets read into this theory but i stand by it in the fashion that i see fit. any student of man should take this theory into account but imo it is not the be all to end all.


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everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

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euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

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if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15792021 - 02/11/12 10:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You've read the book then? I got the impression you hadn't. Apologies..but honestly it doesn't seem like you've looked really at much of the evidence so i find that hard to believe


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: frost458]
    #15793784 - 02/11/12 05:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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there is no pinacle of evolution and any scientist knows that.

being more evolved means being able to survive better than other species.

In regard to life on earth we are pretty evolved don't you think? (yea..but we have killed millions of our own (and other) species in this century alone, drove many extinct, are ignorantly wiping out entire ecosystems, and threatening the planet in virtually every way possible while most of our genius goes towards bullshit material distractions and ever more efficient technologies designed to kill other people..strange for the most intelligent species on the planet..like something isn't off here )
but if you take an other referencial such as an underground lake, a bacteria living inside is more evolved than us, because we wouldn't be able to survive.





What is being overlooked in the orthodox darwinian model of human evolution is the overwhelming evidence of symbiosis and its big/unique implications on this whole process.

Symbiosis proliferates on probably all levels of organic nature, as we are finding more and more. As Terence McKenna said, perhaps half tongue in cheek, "plants evolved animals so they could move their seeds around.." This is literally one of the reasons why fruit (which is literally a womb for the seeds) is how it is: to attract animals to eat it so that they disperse its seeds around the forest floor. This becomes a win win situation, to put it lightly. This is largely why the chemicals in food like this are so good for us, and make us feel great to. Just consider this scenario for a moment..

It is an undisputed fact that we originated in Africa, where our big brained fruit eating cousins still thrive..and that throughout a span of tens of millions of years we began incorporating higher amounts of fruit in our diet as we moved off insects. We also know food affects brain size and that fruit is one of the most, if not the most complex and and nutritious foods on the entire planet. It literally flooded our brains from before birth until death for an extremely long time..quite literally tens of millions of years

The thousands of flavonoids in fruit literally are transcription modifiers, meaning they are involved in chemically reading the DNA and changing how it is expressed..In other words, they alter how literally everything from cells to organs to brains are built, since this is all accomplished through transcription. Not only that, but its also proven that they stimulate pineal gland and brain activity.. Which creates a circular loop since this results in more transcription modifying chemicals produced by the pineal, and more brain activity, and on and on it goes.

Thousands upon thousands of these fruit chemicals flooded the womb the entire time the DNA was building the child because the mother was eating this cocktail of fruit bio-chemistry..and this extended until after birth via breastfeeding where they would also be present. And then on into life as it began to eat by itself and acquire them directly. ( and yes mothers diet can affect child long into life http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080616151748.htm )

We also know our brains mysteriously exploded in both its size and complexity faster than any other organ in any animal in the  ENTIRE ARCHEOLOGICAL RECORD..and as i said and showed in the links, they've now stalled and are contracting. Re-read that so it sinks in please :eek:  :sun:


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15793822 - 02/11/12 05:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Its no coincidence the most complex tissue in the known universe evolved during a symbiosis with the most complex orchestra of food we have ever seen flooding it for millions upon millions of years. How could suddenly removing virtually ALL of the thousands of fruit chemicals that were reading the DNA and thus drastically altering how our entire organism is built NOT make an absolutely humungus difference?

If NASA was to dramatically change how they read or interpreted ( aka transcription) the blueprint(DNA) of a space shuttle, and then went about building it that way, would any sane person seriously think it would function as it did before? Our brains are light years beyond ANY technology we have created in its sheer complexity and sensitivity to even minute changes in its chemical make up (as any person who's taken mere micrograms of lsd knows this much!)..and this is on a scale of millions upon millions of years and bam..suddenly our DNA looses basically all these transcription chemicals and its read totally different.



This is all very well supported by what science now knows..not to mention what many ancient "myths" have always known. Even the bible talks about our naked, fruit eating, forest dwelling past as we lived basically one with "god" (not that i'm religious, but you get the idea) This mirrors MANY other "myths"..

If you scroll down to the bottom of that link there is proof flavonoids affect transcription, are MAOI, are anti-oxidants, as well as aromatase inhibitors..and thats just the flavonoids


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15795065 - 02/11/12 09:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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gushtunkinflupped said:
You've read the book then? I got the impression you hadn't. Apologies..but honestly it doesn't seem like you've looked really at much of the evidence so i find that hard to believe




i don't read books, i criticize them. but seriously i haven't read the book but i've watched just about every interview with the author that's on the net. i think he's got some valid points but what he's trying to explain is very complex. there is probably a lot more to species pathology than diet.

having said that, reading through your posts have sparked my interest in this subject again. perhaps i will have to take the plunge and read the book. but in the mean time i have a question for you. if our diet is getting so bad then why are we living longer than ever? and don't simply boil this down to modern medicine. it might play a large role but it is not the only contributor.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15795292 - 02/11/12 10:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You don't hear of people who eat McDonalds living to 110 do you? :wink: There is some great stories, even on youtube, of people living to high ages and they blame their healthy diets.

Interesting question. Although realize (and i mean no offense by this, lol)its our left brains tendency is to pick out anything its deluded mind doesn't understand and then amplify it as if it disproves whatever information thats threatening its models of the world and self, essentially. And similarly it over-amplifies evidence for its models

I have to go into our notion of history to even begin to fully answer, and this isn't tony's opinion, its mine. i forget what the book said on this but it does go into this area quite a bit. First let me say there is so many factors here..and even changing diet alone is not nearly all that a total fix would have to involve. We're just too far gone. But it is a necessary fundamental element and combined with other things can facilitate a huge shift very quickly..

First we need to take these ancient myths a bit more seriously. Although they are often in poetic right-brained metaphor, many (and this is across continents and dozens of groups) do directly say that in the past their ancestors were literally far more advanced than them..and that they lived to incredible ages.

There is also a solid amount of evidence (much is in the book) that has documented the extremely rapid degrading of the health of isolated people who ate mostly plants and things like that until encountering westerners. With their shift in diet (which itself was already very different from what we evolved on) to even just things like grains came some astonishing affects on their health and life span. And how many stories have you heard of the native americans and other groups who had never even heard of diseases or colds or anything until encountering white man?

If there is any truth to this theory then our modern ideas of linear evolutionary unfoldment are bound to have some serious holes in them..since our conception of the world, and our culture itself in all its ideological facets, reflects our inner state of mind and any glitches in the system. There is some good evidence that its not that simple..and that progress happens in spurts. This is supported by the growing evidence of various earth 'cataclysms' that actually occur far more frequently than we previously though. We may just be on another cusp of one of these spurts in progress, although the underlying and increasing neural degradation still would be overlaying over all this..

Graham hancock goes into this a lot. 20,000 years ago was the last glacial maximum. There was literally 2 mile high glaciers over much of the north hemisphere, even most of the US. Now these things melted over a period of many thousands of years, and so most thought the consequential rise in sea level (400ft since then!) would be gradual and not pose a major threat to the humans living at the time- the majority of which were probably occupying the warm areas that were left, often along the coast since this is where we tend to thrive. Ironically its the coastline that was hit hard when these things melted and millions upon millions of square miles were lost.

Tons of recent evidence shows that the melting wasn't so gradual. There was 3 distinct stages of very rapid meltdown (the hindu vedas literally mention these three stages in the same time frame as the ones that occurred..).

Also, on top of these glaciers huge ocean-sized pools of water would form from melting ice, and once the barriers gave way then it would all surge across the continents and eventually reach the ocean- causing a dramatic rise in sea level literally overnight. There is a ton of evidence for this sort of thing, and thats only one form of cataclysm. Graham hancock has literally dove off the coast of cultures that have long standing myths of a previous city submerged beneath the waves and found ruins that would have to be FAR older than anything we even thought humans were capable of at the time. Orthodox people are so slow to turn onto his research but he has overwhelming evidence and even pictures on his site http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/default.htm

Coincidentally..how many myths of the flood are there? TONS! Its not only noahs arch or the epic of gilgamesh..there are dozens in the americas as well as asia, and other areas that share these 'myths'. Even some on islands separated from these cultures for thousands upon thousands of years share these myths.

And so in light of this the progress of our knowledge of medicine and foods, along with our access to good food, did grow in comparison with only recent times. but in the past we probably did live much much longer. Theres probably a lot more to it though

And admittedly medicine does have something to do with it but it fits in well with this other idea of cultural 'progress'. Although our insanity still shines bright if you look at what most people do on a daily basis and overall health is still degrading at a fast rate, as looking around at all the problems proliferating (both physiological and cultural)clearly shows. i mean heres just one example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16581674

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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15795410 - 02/11/12 11:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

but in the past we probably did live much much longer.

seriously?? if we take into account all the available evidence we find that humans, on average, did not live as long as they are doing now.

imo your ideas have some merit but i think you may be pulling too many unrelated phenomena together to sustain your world view.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15795437 - 02/11/12 11:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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blingbling said:
seriously?? if we take into account all the available evidence we find that humans, on average, did not live as long as they are doing now.




The life of Li Qing Yuen is the most well documented case of extreme longevity known.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: s240779]
    #15795498 - 02/11/12 11:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

if his story is true then he is by far a statistical outlier and is in no way representative of the majority.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15795758 - 02/12/12 12:25 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I try not to believe in anything really and remain open to the info. And these aren't my new ideas at all, they're pretty well evidenced things others have figured out

Your really not looking at this from an evolutionary viewpoint it seems. I mean how long have we even been documenting peoples ages? And who's ages were they? I've not once seen a person who lived to these incredible ages who lived in western society on a standard american diet.

Besides these demographics have largely been focused on westerners, which had pretty shitty and short lives for the past few thousand years(which is no time compared to 200,000). Just because we've collectively figured some stuff out about it and gained access to better foods and medicinal info doesn't refute all this. Our average health through that period is crap compared to 'primitive' people- most of which hadn't even heard of disease before us and seemed to live long lives from what we know about them before we arrived (which isn't too much in a lot of cases since we often wiped many of them out and destroyed there stuff.. although they're 'myths' consistently say their ancestors lived much longer and fuller lives..why on earth could that be?)

I think if we had a fuller picture of peoples lifespans, across many cultures, and for more than just a couple decades/centuries and instead thousands upon thousands of years, we'd find some interesting stuff


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15796203 - 02/12/12 04:25 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Just because we've collectively figured some stuff out about it and gained access to better foods and medicinal info doesn't refute all this.

i agree.

Your really not looking at this from an evolutionary viewpoint it seems. I mean how long have we even been documenting peoples ages? And who's ages were they?

we can tell quite a lot from bones, so i hear.

I've not once seen a person who lived to these incredible ages who lived in western society on a standard american diet.

different races of people tend to have different life expectancies :shrug: obviously environmental factors play a huge part in this.

Besides these demographics have largely been focused on westerners, which had pretty shitty and short lives for the past few thousand years(which is no time compared to 200,000).

i think that's a big reason why we fight disease better than indigenous people. we had to deal with the plague and all sorts of other nasties for hundreds of years and they have only recently been introduced to the diseases.


I think if we had a fuller picture of peoples lifespans, across many cultures, and for more than just a couple decades/centuries and instead thousands upon thousands of years, we'd find some interesting stuff

definitely.

they're 'myths' consistently say their ancestors lived much longer and fuller lives..why on earth could that be?

this does not sway me at all.

primitive' people- most of which hadn't even heard of disease before us

that's because most of them would have referred to disease as evil spirits.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15796977 - 02/12/12 10:40 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I honestly am not sure myself since i haven't looked into this in quite a while, so perhaps my thoughts would change on the matter

but the book does go into this a bit. ( http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdf ). It mentions groups of people in the high andeas, and kashmir, who have been reported to live to 140 and unlike in our society where disease would likely cripple them long before the end they retain most of their lucidity and quality of life all the way through. They also ate quite a bit of fruit, among other things, but thats not to say their diet was the perfect one since like most people it was limited by their environment. Perhaps the reason we don't see more of this also has to do with the fact that we can't find documentation to conclusively verify the ages of many of these types of groups?


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: HarryL]
    #15802411 - 02/13/12 10:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Afraid I am with German K

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Cause someone has a theory and claims to have made great strides does not make it true nor accepted...  I do not believe most biologist would say the human brain or nervous system are the pinnacle of anything.. It's the results of millions of years of 'natural selection', but evolution does not stop cause people came along.

I also do the money test... If someone is out to make a buck on some fringe theory, then I have to be skeptical.... Search the web for 'horizontal water' for a good example




Well if you take a look the evidence for the theory is very strong. It makes no sense to brush this off as 'not having evidence' without even looking at the evidence..

And if he was just trying to make a buck on some 'fringe theory' (which would be especially strange considering there is many academics in strong support of it and the data from many branches of science support it) then why on earth would he be giving his lifes work out for free on the web?

Just saying..Those were some wild assumptions your making.. And as you said. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence :wink:


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15806923 - 02/14/12 04:39 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, i don't think that Tony Wright is out to make a buck. from the interviews i've seen he seems like a very genuine person and his theory does have some evidence that should at least be looked at.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15806969 - 02/14/12 05:19 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I hadn't read the thing on tropical fruit in the original post.

The Li Qing Yuen I mentioned is said to have consumed goji berries daily.

Goji Berries contain polysaccharides which fortify the immune system. A polysaccharide found in this fruit has been found to be a powerful secretagogue (a substance that stimulates the secretion of rejuvenative human growth hormone by the pituitary gland).
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Goji Berries have been traditionally regarded as a longevity, strength-building, and sexual potency food. In several study groups with elderly people the goji berry was given once a day for 3 weeks. Many beneficial results were experienced and 67% of the patients experienced 3x higher T cell function and the 2x higher activity in white cell interleukin-2. In addition, the results showed that all the patients' spirit and optimism increased significantly, appetite improved in 95% of the patients, 95% of the patients slept better, and 35% of the patients partially recovered their sexual function.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15575931


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: s240779]
    #15806996 - 02/14/12 05:36 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i heard goji berries were a hoax. even if their not it's just a fad and will probably pass soon enough.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: blingbling]
    #15807341 - 02/14/12 08:40 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'v heard its well documented that goji berries were very good for you but no time to look into it at the moment..Regardless, they taste great and are still in my smoothies in the morning :sun:


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15807535 - 02/14/12 10:00 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I think a good diet leads to better thinking, throw in some psyches, regular exercise and meditation, and some nootropics and you too can rise above the squares. I dont know about the whole Garden of Eden thing, but a diet rich in plants will help you think better then with a diet rich in toxic crap.


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: sk8ordude]
    #15808578 - 02/14/12 03:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yea like i said combining a plant based un-cooked diet with frequent psychedelic use is the most beneficial move I've made in my entire life. Many others i know agree. The synergy is obvious


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Re: species wide brain injury [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
    #15818572 - 02/16/12 12:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Here's a thread on evolver on this

McKenna says it all- “I believe that the lost secret of human emergence..the undefined catalyst that took a very bright monkey and turned that species into a self-reflecting dreamer..that catalyst has to be sought in these alkaloids in the food chain that were catalyzing higher states of intellectual activity.”

Same intuition on the mechanism by which symbiosis can alter a species evolutionary course. He often said diet and mushrooms..And given the fact that Terence admits he got most of his good ideas from dennis, and how dennis wrote the forward, i think he'd agree with this theory in light of the new evidence- if he were still around n kickin. RIP  <3


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