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Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First?
#14542877 - 05/31/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey guys, looking to upgrade my gaming computer soon because framerates are getting slightly sloppy on the newer games, and not being an expert at computers, I ask, what should I upgrade first?
I mainly play SC2, APB Reloaded, and many other new games on steam... What would help improve my framerate the most?
Here are my computer stats, let me know if you need more
Processor Intel Core i7 860(2.8GHz)
Processor Main Features 64 bit Quad-Core Processor
Memory 4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1600
Hard Drive 500GB SATAII
Optical Drive 1 24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTS250 1GB
Power Supply 700W
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
My budget is $300-$500
I was considering upgrading the RAM to 8gb and getting a better graphics card, but don't know what to get, any suggestions would be awesome!
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14543110 - 05/31/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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your graphics card processes 1 gb of memory?
quad core cpu? 4 gig ram?
what else do you think you need? i don't think there is a faster card than nvidia 1 gb. are you having trouble running media/playing games? Maybe it's a software issue, because with your specs i doubt it's a hard ware issue. maybe i'm wrong, but i swore you just listed some pretty bad ass specs. maybe i'm seeing things 
anyway, upgrade to 8 gigs ram if you want. try this graphics card:
you planning to run some vmware on that computer as well?
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14543213 - 05/31/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pretty sure your graphics card is the bottleneck.
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imachavel said: i don't think there is a faster card than nvidia 1 gb.
Ram is only one factor in how good a graphics card is, and generally speaking, it's probably the last thing you should look at when deciding what card to buy (unless you're using high resolutions).
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: HeavyToilet]
#14543228 - 05/31/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Pretty sure your graphics card is the bottleneck.
Yea I thought so, the gtx 560 looked nice so might go with that
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14543277 - 05/31/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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here's a graphics card hierarchy chart, try to go for 3 tiers higher than what you have...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-game-performance-radeon-hd-6670,2935-7.html
a gtx 560 would be a good choice to get some improved performance, as your graphics card is pretty budgety. if you have a stock heatsink fan, maybe get a good one and try for some overclocking on your cpu. and surely upgrade to 2gb ram per core on your cpu.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#14543633 - 06/01/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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that is a good idea, 2gb per core. not necessary, but not a bad idea. i've never heard of a game running bad on a pc with 5 gigs of ram though. i had a friend with a quad core, a really good graphics card, and 5 gigs ram on his pc, and it seemed to be able to run call of duty, crysis, all that shit just fine.
although 2 gig per core isn't a bad idea, but games MOSTLY require high end graphics cards, and the pc functions to do so. only higher end applications like vmware should really pull soooo hard on your ram.
i don't know, maybe i've missed something along the way, but I was pretty sure I was correct a few minutes ago before i read cosmic joke's reply. of course, with computers, often times a few minutes ago you can think one thing, and at the present, have learned something entirely new.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: imachavel]
#14543792 - 06/01/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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it really depends on the game, some are very cpu intensive and not particularly gpu intensive... that's the case with most MMOs for example, which is why some good cooling and OCing the cpu is definitely worth considering
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#14544102 - 06/01/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh i see. yes an mmo can have very large maps with low quality resolution graphics. but would need lots of processing to play those games online with like 50 people on a huge map.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: imachavel]
#14544974 - 06/01/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Geting the RAM to 8GB will only be useful if the games and applications you use can utilize it, however the upgrade will make your system have a higher useful longevity.
It seems like we have a lot of NVidia lovers around here, but don't discount ATI. The HD 6990 is a shining example of what they're capable of.
Here's an ATI alternative:
I think a HD 6950/6970 1GB DDR5 would be a great choice for your system, imo. The benchmarks are good for both cards, and gives you a choice of how much to spend.
From the benchmarks I've seen, the GTX 570 is faster than both, most of the time, but costs more too.
Note: The ATI cards are reportedly louder, and respond with less performance in regards to overclocking, if you're into that stuff.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Dimi]
#14545304 - 06/01/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm a pretty big NVidia fan just because I haven't had any trouble with their cards. When I used to raid in WoW, people would constantly complain that their ATI cards would start overheating or degrade for some reason
However whichever can handle long gaming sessions at high quality settings at good FPS and at a good price, I'll probably go with that
Which would be better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915&cm_re=ATI_HD_6970-_-14-102-915-_-Product
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130595&cm_re=gtx_570-_-14-130-595-_-Product
Exact same price, I'll probably look at the benchmarks when I get a chance
Anyway thanks for the replies so far!
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14545957 - 06/01/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The GTX 570 will give the best framerates from what I've read. Look for one with a great cooling soution and you're all set. If they're the same price, you might as well get NVidia because you get PhysX too.
BUT if you plan on doing DVD to Video Conversions(ripping), or playing mp4-type video, the ATI card has hardware-based acceleration for both uses, and is faster than the competition. Even my HD 5670 1GB plays DVD's with less than a few % CPU usage.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: imachavel]
#14546434 - 06/01/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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imachavel said: faster card than nvidia 1 gb.
1GB is not a measure of speed.
as far as upgrading the ram, you should see a much more noticeable difference in speed if you upgraded to an SSD. id probably spend the cash on that before ram..
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: frith]
#14546532 - 06/01/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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as far as upgrading the ram, you should see a much more noticeable difference in speed if you upgraded to an SSD. id probably spend the cash on that before ram..
I disagree.
SSD's improve load times, sure. RAM improves load times, removes the need for disk caching, and improves multitasking perfomance.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: frith]
#14546578 - 06/01/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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imachavel said: faster card than nvidia 1 gb.
1GB is not a measure of speed.
as far as upgrading the ram, you should see a much more noticeable difference in speed if you upgraded to an SSD. id probably spend the cash on that before ram..
From what I heard SSDs only increase the speed of your boot time, then ram is for everything else, however I haven't really looked into it yet, so will now
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14547102 - 06/01/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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[quoteFrom what I heard SSDs only increase the speed of your boot time, then ram is for everything else, however I haven't really looked into it yet, so will now
An SSD won't make a great difference in the performance of your games other than launch times, but it's still one of the most enjoyable upgrades one can make in their system. A quality SSD though is still rather pricey, and with the OP's budget in mind, I'm still sticking with the idea of upgrading the GPU, an aftermarket cooler for OCing, and RAM, in that order... the later two should be relatively inexpensive to upgrade, maybe $50 for the heatsink fan and $50 for an additional 4gb of ddr3 1600 ram.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#14547675 - 06/01/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just thought of a nice upgrade for your system 
How about an ASUS Xonar Sound Card and a 5.1 channel 500W speaker set? That would make those games kick ass!
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#14548589 - 06/01/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: An SSD won't make a great difference in the performance of your games other than launch times, but it's still one of the most enjoyable upgrades one can make in their system. A quality SSD though is still rather pricey, and with the OP's budget in mind, I'm still sticking with the idea of upgrading the GPU, an aftermarket cooler for OCing, and RAM, in that order... the later two should be relatively inexpensive to upgrade, maybe $50 for the heatsink fan and $50 for an additional 4gb of ddr3 1600 ram.
Could you recommend me a heatsink? Don't know too much about cooling heh..
Also is my PSU fine or do I need to upgrade it for overclocking and the newer hardware?
Current PSU: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...Story&reid=109
From what my friends said, it's a total piece of crap that came with the computer combo lol...
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14548916 - 06/02/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your link doesn't work for me, but a total piece of crap PSU is a bad idea with a high end graphics card.
I would recommend this:
PSU:
$89.99 CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&cm_re=Corsair_PSU-_-17-139-005-_-Product
Graphics Card:
$244 EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604
Heatsink Fan: Consider one of these off the list, the Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme is definitely a classic. http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm From my recollection though, the Tuniq is pretty large, you may need to make sure you don't have any clearance issues.
And just get 2 more sticks of RAM identical to whatever you have.
Also, what is your motherboard? Some are certainly more friendly to overclocking than others.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#14549673 - 06/02/11 06:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My motherboard is the Intel H55
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14553695 - 06/03/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My motherboard is the Intel H55
that's a chipset, some boards do better than others with OCing even though they use the same chipset.
anyways, google your exact board and overclocking and you should get some ideas about what you can potentially expect... surely there are some decent overclocker's forums out there.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Dimi]
#14555473 - 06/03/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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make sure you download that motherboard monitor and look at it through Celsius. or i guess Fahrenheit would work. just make sure you look at the temperature through the sensors on the motherboard. so you don't blow something.
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Max Temps and When to worry [Re: imachavel]
#14557224 - 06/03/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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From what I have learned, a temp of:
60 C on the Northbridge 60 C on the Southbridge ^Start worrying at 50 C
90 C on NVidia and ATI Video Cards ^Start worrying at 80 C
CPU's vary
Air cooling has a lot to do with the ambient temperature in your house. If your house is really hot, a lot of fans won't be as effective as a nice cool one.
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Re: Max Temps and When to worry [Re: Dimi]
#14557277 - 06/03/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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wait are you saying you worry more when the temperature goes down then you do when it goes up?
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Re: Max Temps and When to worry [Re: imachavel]
#14557303 - 06/03/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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If the temps go above higher you need to worry. When they hit 60 on the bridges, or 90 on the video card, you will can fry your chip, and even if not, will definitely decrease the chip's lifespan considerably.
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Re: Max Temps and When to worry [Re: Dimi]
#14557991 - 06/03/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok as long as we are in the computer update thread, I have a question...
I recently got a backup western digital drive. I tried to configure it to do a daily backup. (i have xp) i clicked start all programs - accessories - system tools - backup
i tried to configure the wizard that popped up, to go ahead and do a daily backup, by clicking on advance, to back up to my western digital e: drive. it seemed to work, and I'm guessing it's still set to daily. btw I set it to write duplicate files so if I update a file it will be written over updated.
but when I clicked my wd passport e:, all that was in there was a backup wizard, I'm guessing this file will restore my files. but the question I have is, why is it only 468 thousand kilobytes. I guess i'm not used to seeing kilobytes, I would have thought my backup would be larger, like megabytes, gigs, etc.
I configured it to back up documents and settings, shouldn't it copy everything on the desktop as well? I'm just saying... anyway thanks for any advice given, just seems like it didn't work
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Re: Max Temps and When to worry [Re: imachavel]
#14558628 - 06/04/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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As in 468 000 K? That's 468 megabytes... 1,000kB = 1 MB
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Re: Max Temps and When to worry [Re: Dimi]
#14562405 - 06/04/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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hahaha, then I definitely configured the backup wrong. I wonder what the hell I backed up. I also wonder what the hell I did wrong, I scheduled it to do a daily backup of documents and settings to e: drive western digital. I don't know how I fucked that up.
hahah 1 mb, yeah definitely not a full backup. I know the western digital backup is probably fast, but not THAT fast.
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Re: Max Temps and When to worry [Re: Dimi]
#14562890 - 06/05/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dimi said: 1,000kB = 1 MB
depending on who you ask 
to a marketing team, 1000KB = 1MB to everyone else on the planet, 1024KB = 1MB
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: Shrewmz]
#14563090 - 06/05/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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as far as upgrading the ram, you should see a much more noticeable difference in speed if you upgraded to an SSD. id probably spend the cash on that before ram..
I disagree.
SSD's improve load times, sure. RAM improves load times, removes the need for disk caching, and improves multitasking perfomance.
What exactly is this dude doing that he needs more than 4GiB of DDR3 1600 ram? What game could he be playing that would saturate that? From what I've seen, few games use much more than a 1GiB system ram even if its available. If he has some other crazy application that would benefit from more than that, he's not mentioned it. Now he says he has a GTS250 or something, and you think the RAM is a weak point?
My whole computer probably cost less than that i7 cost, and I have no problems with framerates with 4GiB ram.
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imachavel said: i've never heard of a game running bad on a pc with 5 gigs of ram though. i had a friend with a quad core, a really good graphics card, and 5 gigs ram on his pc, and it seemed to be able to run call of duty, crysis, all that shit just fine.
Ok, so what makes you attribute this performance to the amount of ram he has? Again, I'm not aware of any game which takes much more than a GiB at maximum settings system memory. While your operating system may cache a bunch of stuff, the game isn't going to benefit unless it can use any of that, and I doubt there's any signifigant quantity of games that can. They're made to run on comparitively tiny consoles first, and simply cannot cache that much.
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Could you recommend me a heatsink? Don't know too much about cooling heh..
You can spend a bunch on really nice heatsinks, but for good basic improvements over stock, you don't need to spend anything over 15$ to get a good model comparitive to the 80$ units that sometimes perform worse. I have a cooler master hyper 212 plus that works fine and I picked up new for 15$ last year. Works great, and with the included fan is barely audible even under full load (folding at home) despite the case being at ear level and a few feet away.
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Dimi said: 1,000kB = 1 MB
depending on who you ask 
to a marketing team, 1000KB = 1MB to everyone else on the planet, 1024KB = 1MB
Perhaps, but I see no reason why comp sci should be using different prefixes and messing up a coherent international measurement system. I like the SI MiB for binary and MB for the regular mega that everyone else on the planet uses to represent ten to the six.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: johnm214]
#14563352 - 06/05/11 06:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok my file was 400,000 kilobytes, not 4000 kilobytes.
maybe the backup worked fine, and I was just so surprised that it backed everything up in like seriously 1 minute, that when I saw that, I figured it was just a very small file.
however, if 4000 kilobytes equals 4 mbs of memory, then 400,000 kilobytes equals 400 mb's of memory? not quite the 20-30 gig memory backup I was expecting on my hard drive.
then to top it off, I know this western digital external notebook is going to write really fast, why did it take a minute just to write 400 mb's of data? for a hard disk drive that actually sounds just about right, but i'd figure in a minute my western digital could probably pull almost 2 or 3 gigs off the hard drive. of course maybe I'm wrong, but I figured these things were little faster than hard disk drives. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
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Re: Looking to Upgrade Computer, What to get First? [Re: imachavel]
#14637053 - 06/19/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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imachavel said: I figured these things were little faster than hard disk drives. Maybe I'm wrong.
They are disk drives. The bigger external drives use standard sized drives, and the smaller ones will use laptop drives. So the write times seeming correct for a disk driver must've indeed been correct.
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