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Here's what I don't get.
#14542207 - 05/31/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542227 - 05/31/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think nature is neither good, nor bad. It's dead neutral. 
Sure, we evolved through violent circumstances, but in the process we developed empathy and rationality, which we can use to try and make a better world for ourselves.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: NetDiver]
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Exactly, now answer the question I posted.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542263 - 05/31/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can only speak for my own beliefs. I don't know why other people think what they do, we're all just crazy after all.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542266 - 05/31/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah the universe...
It is what it is
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: xFrockx]
#14542273 - 05/31/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah. You just had to be there.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: NetDiver]
#14542275 - 05/31/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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after all.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
The ones on here at least seem to have grasped on the the stereotypical hippie pyschedelic culture most likely due to death anxiety.
Going to a fundamental baptist school has really helped me understand that most people just don't question thier beliefs. Instead they choose to hold onto any "argument" purported to support their point of view.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
Perhaps this video will help.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 4896744]
#14542484 - 05/31/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The universe can mean whatever you wan't it to mean. If you wan't to believe it's a love factory, it is a love factory. At least, in your mind it is.
Of course, in reality it's just a loveless bunch of particles.
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I think you're on to somethin!
(just don't know what it might be)
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542512 - 05/31/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That we should all say "fuck you reality" and move into the love factory
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: mushiepussy]
#14542537 - 05/31/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It would be the best idea but in my experience it doesn't work. Or should I say it can't be sustained for long.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542539 - 05/31/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I work with this guy who is almost always extatically happy. He constantly tells me laughing how he can't believe he's going to be 26 years old. When we walk around the mall or the park, he listens to his headphones and dances to himself the entire time. He doesn't have much confidence in himself and he bends himself to the will of the people around him, he does not like to impose, even if it means sacrificing his own desires.
He doesn't make broad generalizations about love or happiness, he lives it. He doesn't expect other people to be happy, but when they aren't he is the first to ask them what is wrong.
Yeah, no point to this just wanted to share something about this person. He shows me that happiness need not be balanced with sadness.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: xFrockx]
#14542559 - 05/31/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't want to point this out but.
He doesn't have much confidence in himself
This is not a sign of a truly happy person. I'll bet he's headed for a melt down.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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"He doesn't have much confidence in himself
This is not a sign of a truly happy person. I'll bet he's headed for a melt down. "
I didn't mean that he has a negative self image. I mean that if he wanted to eat dinner at 5, and someone told him he would eat at 4, he wouldn't argue.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: xFrockx]
#14542574 - 05/31/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd like to meet him and ask him for his paycheck.
I know some very (generally) happy people. They experience all emotional states however.
This has little to do with my OP.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542612 - 05/31/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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with a single thought you can change your own universe and perceptions in life. life is what you make it.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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"I'd like to meet him and ask him for his paycheck. "
Last week he had 20 bucks to his name. His check comes once a month from the gummit and he has people apportion his money through the month.
"I know some very (generally) happy people. They experience all emotional states however. This has little to do with my OP. "
They experience ALL emotional states? Wow.
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Powdered_Toastman said: with a single thought you can change your own universe and perceptions in life. life is what you make it.
How about trying to answer my question instead of posting a Hallmark quote.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: xFrockx]
#14542651 - 05/31/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This has little to do with my OP.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542659 - 05/31/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: It would be the best idea but in my experience it doesn't work. Or should I say it can't be sustained for long.
It would never work for you or me, but there are many people in the forum below that will live their entire lives in blissfull ignorance of the meaningless reality. I honestly don't know whether to envy or pity them.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: mushiepussy]
#14542667 - 05/31/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I doubt it buddy. These are mostly kids just out of diapers. They have a lot to experience yet.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542674 - 05/31/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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In just a few more years you will be heading back into diapers.
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OrgoneConclusion said: In just a few more years you will be heading back into diapers. 
lawl
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That's why I bought the Helium tank. I've had enough humiliation for one lifetime.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542698 - 05/31/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess going out sounding like Mickey Mouse is very dignified.
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I plan on going out like Dopey. I do have my stash.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542722 - 05/31/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I really don't get it.
I really don't believe you.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: That's why I bought the Helium tank. I've had enough humiliation for one lifetime.
You really did that? You order your hood yet?
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542743 - 05/31/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Powdered_Toastman said: with a single thought you can change your own universe and perceptions in life. life is what you make it.
How about trying to answer my question instead of posting a Hallmark quote.
The answer to all your questions is death anxiety.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 1983]
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1983 said: The answer to all your questions is death anxiety.
See, someone finally gets it Ice!
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 1983]
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Icelander said:
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Powdered_Toastman said: with a single thought you can change your own universe and perceptions in life. life is what you make it.
How about trying to answer my question instead of posting a Hallmark quote.
The answer to all your questions is death anxiety.
yup.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Cups]
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Icelander said: That's why I bought the Helium tank. I've had enough humiliation for one lifetime.
You really did that? You order your hood yet?
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 1983]
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Icelander said:
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Powdered_Toastman said: with a single thought you can change your own universe and perceptions in life. life is what you make it.
How about trying to answer my question instead of posting a Hallmark quote.
The answer to all your questions is death anxiety.
Not my fault.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14542817 - 05/31/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I plan on going out like Dopey. I do have my stash.
I was recently thinking about how i plan on killing myself later in life, and one problem i foresaw with getting really high on some opiates before using whatever method i choose is that i might get too happy and optimistic about life, causing me to pussy out.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 4896744]
#14542828 - 05/31/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try again the next day. If I'm having a good time that's not when I want to be dyin.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Try again the next day. If I'm having a good time that's not when I want to be dyin.
True, since i plan on having a rather large opiate addiction once i get old that i know i will have the money to easily maintain, i may just end up dying naturally.
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This is a crazy ass place sometimes.
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#14543063 - 05/31/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I plan to live long enough to become a burden on my government.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Cups]
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This is a crazy ass place sometimes.
Ya, this is by far the best philosophy i have found on the internet.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14543260 - 05/31/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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And you wonder why you seem to feel death anxiety. If I had my car all packed I'd be anxious for a ride too.
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
emphasis mine.
each attitude involves projection, and that projection becomes a kind of "filter" of what is happening as well as a stimulus to the region around you. your little universe, your microcosm is affected by what you put out.
ergo a loving attitude 'policy' or politics stimulates more local positive stuff.
what you put out matters, and for the simple minded, you have simpler messages such as
"love is all you need..."
it does not mean that a wolf will stop eating bunnies, or that your friend will no longer be constipated and have to squeeze so hard.
not rocket science or magic.
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haha, smirk and
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
The throw away society has been individually packaged for your convenience. Any inconvenience and suffering has been left out. TV and radio and print advertising has convinced you of the dire need that you will have to buy or be unhappy.
What's to get other than the product? And the ensuing happiness?
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: I plan to live long enough to become a burden on my government. 
I thought about that myself but changed my mind. I realized that was just another way to give them power in my mind they don't deserve. 
I want to live until I fully don't.
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redgreenvines said:
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
emphasis mine.
each attitude involves projection, and that projection becomes a kind of "filter" of what is happening as well as a stimulus to the region around you. your little universe, your microcosm is affected by what you put out.
ergo a loving attitude 'policy' or politics stimulates more local positive stuff.
what you put out matters, and for the simple minded, you have simpler messages such as
"love is all you need..."
it does not mean that a wolf will stop eating bunnies, or that your friend will no longer be constipated and have to squeeze so hard.
not rocket science or magic.
I realized my wording there was extreme but I did it for emphasis. I realize that some cooperation and nurturing must take place for life to work. This in no way changes the nature of my question.
The problem with the "love is all you need mantra" is that it isn't true and so backfires when you try to depend on it for all living situations. Much better to tell yourself something true like "this too shall pass" which can get you through with intelligence and integrity intact and with the best chance imo for a positive outcome.
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Any inconvenience and suffering has been left out.
love is all you need
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: xFrockx]
#14544487 - 06/01/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: And you wonder why you seem to feel death anxiety. If I had my car all packed I'd be anxious for a ride too.
Nothing wrong with that. Vacations break things up.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
I really don't get it.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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I want to live until I fully don't.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Any inconvenience and suffering has been left out.
love is all you need
could you really love a fat baby? enough to buy stretch Luvs and feel good about it? cmon baby suck down some more calories more is better...
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Luvs-Premium-Stretch-Diapers-sizes-1-2-3-4-5-6/13373486?sourceid=1500000000000003260330&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=13373486
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14545744 - 06/01/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I doubt it buddy. These are mostly kids just out of diapers. They have a lot to experience yet.
Ha very true, but there are millions of adults who do live in the illusion of a personalized universe. cough theists cough
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: mushiepussy]
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Icelander said: I doubt it buddy. These are mostly kids just out of diapers. They have a lot to experience yet.
Ha very true, but there are millions of adults who do live in the illusion of a personalized universe. cough theists cough
I have lots of experience with Christians, and it seems that if you want Christianity to even stand a chance of protecting you from death anxiety later in life you need to be extremely devoted and involved in the church. Even then it is in no way guaranteed. It seems to me that only a small minority are able to succesfully shield themselves later in life.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 4896744]
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My dad is a devote fundamentalist christian who is 92 years old. He claims he can't wait to be with the lord but is always worried about his health and takes tests and medications even though he is not in any pain or taking them for pain.
Course I grew up with the bastard and know he's totally afraid of just about everything and a total liar.
He's one of the main reasons I can smell bs so far off.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14549710 - 06/02/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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a mantra is not a truth it is a beacon or direction indicator. that is the truth
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redgreenvines said: a mantra is not a truth it is a beacon or direction indicator. that is the truth
sounds like nonsense to me ol Red. If someone is pointing you in a direction they are likely doing it because they think that's where truth lies.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14550105 - 06/02/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe Icelander but useful maneuvers do not have anything to do with truth, only past experience you can discern good from bad and if you keep watching with your personal database of good & bad stuff that you have done before watching with that in mind you will see the past that resembles what you do and experience now the most and then from that foundation you can decide which way you want to go from there all ways us living love (aaah I feel great) all you need is love (not bad) we do this all the time with meditation we become more sensitive to the underlying wisdom that always resonates and is part of who we are always sort of tune in to that mantras can be part of that but are not necessary in going where you want though they can be tied associatively to ways of handling yourself similar to what you want when you recite them you are likely already there when the mantra-thought pops up in your head
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Ferdinando]
#14550142 - 06/02/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe Icelander
That works for me. 
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?
You are making a value judgment here. What exactly makes your evaluation of right or wrong the most authoritative account? If you appeal to a relativist moral scheme you have to be willing to accept that other people may look at the world and see love everywhere. If you've ever been in love with someone you would know that you can notice their flaws and still call them perfect.
Are some people so detached from the natural world in there neighborhoods of culture to not know that wars are being fought on their behalf and their packaged food had do die on their behalf and their house was built on the habitat that once was being used to sustain the life of other creatures and on and on and on?
Perhaps there are people that are detached in such a way, this detachment is not a disproof of the all love view of reality.
I really don't get it.
No one else does either.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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redgreenvines said: a mantra is not a truth it is a beacon or direction indicator. that is the truth
sounds like nonsense to me ol Red. If someone is pointing you in a direction they are likely doing it because they think that's where truth lies.
truth is everywhere, not a direction each direction has something you may require, money honey funny
the mantras are steering things truth is not a direction it is an ideal quality, like perfection, infinity, nothingness, eternity, silence
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: xFrockx]
#14551880 - 06/02/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: No.
Classic Frock.
Beware of trolls.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: SlashOZ] 1
#14551890 - 06/02/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you've ever been in love with someone you would know that you can notice their flaws and still call them perfect.
Been there, never did that. That's nuts dude.
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Truth is a movement. You can’t capture it, contain it, give expression to it, or use it to advance your interests. The moment you capture it, it ceases to be the truth. What is the truth for me is something that cannot, under any circumstances, be communicated to you. The certainty here cannot be transmitted to another. For this reason the whole guru business is absolute nonsense. This has always been the case, not just now. Your self-denial is to enrich the priests. You deny yourself your basic needs while that man travels in a Rolls Royce car, eating like a king, and being treated like a potentate. He, and the others in the holy business, thrive on the stupidity and credulity of others. The politicians, similarly, thrive on the gullibility of man. It is the same everywhere.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14552107 - 06/02/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"How people can take an all love view of the Universe and claim it to be this basically benign loving force for good when almost everything we know and see about nature is violent, bloody and competitive and based in struggle?"
because IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
seriously though, i just think most peoples views on nature are greatly misconstrued because of how the 'media' tries to make it be some great entity when in reality 'nature' is nothing more than a label.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: 4896744]
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Not trolling.
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
#14554784 - 06/03/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: If you've ever been in love with someone you would know that you can notice their flaws and still call them perfect.
Been there, never did that. That's nuts dude.
Further proving my point that we experience reality differently. I'm glad to hear you don't find love everywhere. It would be boring if we all thought the same.
-------------------- "Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose "Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS "When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi "Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson. "Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)
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Re: Here's what I don't get. [Re: Icelander]
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Not sure if this would be the appropriate area to discuss but the other week in the pub I asked a question regarding peace that should have actually been posted here. However someone theorized how it would need to start in the youth education system maybe a peace class. Then I ran across this short lecture/talk about just that happening in this teachers' 4th grade class.
"...he explains how his World Peace Game engages schoolkids, and why the complex lessons it teaches..."
http://www.ted.com/talks/john_hunter_on_the_world_peace_game.html
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