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Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... * 1
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No idea what to call this, but here's something I thought up...

A large aluminum turkey pan (you know the kind) is filled with alternating layers of verm and brf. The brf layers are much smaller than the verm layers, creating multiple cased layers of nutrients, I think  :smirk:

Foil is wrapped over top of the entire dish, and is then placed in an oven at 300 degrees for a half our to an hour.

Casing is removed and let cool JUST ENOUGH to spray the top layer of vermiculite with water, enough to get moisture down to the bottom layers, but don't soak the casing! Another dry layer of vermiculite is put on top and foil put back on. Bake again in the oven for an hour.

Let cool in the oven, preferably overnight. Must be cool enough for innoculation. Spores are injected through the foil, making sure to wipe the injection site and needle with alcohol before and after innoculation. Spread out a bunch of innoculation sites around the casing. Tape is put over the holes. Another layer of tinfoil could work instead, I think.

Casing is put in an incubator for four weeks. Check the incubator every once in a while for bad smells. After the four weeks take it out and remove the foil. Mycelium should be visible in the top layer of vermiculite. Be careful when taking the foil off! Do it slowly with your head well away, just in case there's some spores from a nasty contam. I would lift the corner first and use a light to look accross, just to be safe :wink:

Plastic wrap is put over the top and casing is left out to recieve some light and cooler temps.

Pins should form shortly thereafter.


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But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

Edited by trendal (04/13/03 03:03 AM)

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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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Have you tried this? I don't think this would work,I'm pretty sure the verm would most likely act as a barrier since it is non nutritional.Might wotk,I ain't gonna lie though, I doubt it.It'd be more practical just to use the supplies to make a couple BRF jars and spawn them on poo. But,I understand wanting to experiment,so do what you do.


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Anonymous]
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Yes I am in the middle of trying it. Just got done incubating. The entire thing is one thick mass of mycelium.

My idea was that the mycelium would grow through the verm layers (which aren't THAT thick) and use the brf layers for nutrients.

Seems to have worked so far. Took the casing out of the incubator last night and it's looking good.


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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REALLY? DId you use a ton of spores ?


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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problems i have with this are the verm layers are essentially worthless. sure mycelium can grow in there but for what reason? if it don't contain nutes or provide a structure for pins to form on, then its wasted effort. the other problem i have with it is that you are waiting FOUR WEEKS for 100% colonization. thats quite a long time to wait and gives contams plenty of time to find a way in. using grain spawn in poo takes less than a week to colonize 100%. basically theres a lot more efficient, potent, and reliable ways to do this.


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Eightball]
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waiting FOUR WEEKS for 100% colonization.

Yeah,I didn't notice that.That really is an amazingly long time to wait. I'm surprised it worked though,cause BRF on a large scale is usually a lost cause completly.But yeah,you could innoculate some jars,spawn them on poo and get a couple fruits by the time this thing was finished colonizng


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Anonymous]
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Doesn't the vermiculite offer areas for the pins to form? I thought the point of Verm was for structure of pins? The mycellium crawls up the verm beacause it has moisture then it reaches the air and pins. Otherwise nobody would use it.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Anonymous]
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Lol yeah 4 weeks is a while to wait for colonizing.

Truth is it was probably done a while ago...but I forgot I had it in there incubating until yesterday  :smirk:

Basically what I was going for here was ease of setup. Aside from baking time, it took me five minutes to set up. Also the sterilization was MUCH easier than anything I've done before. Pop in the oven and wait. No PCing or anything like that.

I used brf just because it was all I had at the time, I'm sure there are better nutrients to use here  :smirk:

Anyway, as this really was just an experiment...I'll let you know how fruiting goes.


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Ali]
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Yes that's why I used the verm. It's a substrate, right?


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Anonymous]
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Oh and yeah, I used one full 10cc syringe of spores.


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Ali]
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Yeah,on the surface it does. You don't need verm at all though,there are actually much better things to use


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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Quote:
Yes that's why I used the verm. It's a substrate, right?


No no,verm is non nutritional,the only real thing it does for the substrate is make it more airy.
You used a whole syringe and it still took that long? Damn.


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Edited by Paradis (04/13/03 02:31 PM)

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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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Sounds pretty good to me.

I think it would colonize faster if you mixed the BRF and verm.

But as Eightball said it still doesnt beat grain spawned to straw/compost.  :crazy:

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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Anonymous]
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Well like I said it could have been done a lot sooner, I don't know. I left it in there for four weeks without checking more than once or twice  :smirk:


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Effed]
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Yeah mixing them up would probably work better I guess, eh?

Can't remember what made me think of the layering idea. I was probably stoned and had some huge idea  :smirk:


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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There are more pins forming than I have ever had on a casing before  :smile:


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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Can I see some pics man?


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Dank420]
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My friend doesn't know much about anything . However after thourough thought and discusion we have decided that this sounds posible. Yes in one hand you hold an unthourough means of sterilization aswell as the use of an entire sirynge. However in the defense of trendal the 4 week wait wich it seems in all would really only take like 3 weeks is well worth the wait if in fact the casing is and already has been colinized! Basically I see it like this, it would take at least 2 weeks to fully( I MEAN FULLY) colonize a brf cake then you would be looking at another week as well as the posibility of introducing contams to the crumbled cake to colinize your poo/worm casting / compost/ straw or whatever , then your looking at at least another week( and the posibilty of introducing contams) to fully colinize your casing. So my ending thought is that if trendal can prove that this all works within 3 and 1/2 weeks then its worth consideration.... My friend definately has some doubts, but IS NOT CLOSED TO NEW IDEAS! Keep up the hard work ,let's see some pic's and good luck with with your new tech Trendal!!!! peace to all R


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Roll's all day]
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Lol, I wouldn't call it a tek  :smirk:

Something I came up with stoned one night, that's all.

Here's some pics. It's a shitty webcam so you can't see all the pins forming, but they're there.

I'll get some more up when there's fruit visible.

 


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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looks good , keep us posted!!


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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: trendal]
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You might not consider it a tek, but its almost exactly like an existing tek here already, The Puerto Method v1.2 . Uses brownie dishes and innoculates through the foil on top. Pretty much the same except it uses a PCooker instead of the oven. Check it out for detailed instructions. The Puerto Method was the tek I used my first time out, because it just seemed easier to prepare 2 dishes instead of 12 jars and casing is so much easier because the substrate is already in the container you're going to case in. However, like most of the guys here have already warned, I stopped using this method because an early contamination problem will ruin an entire casing which was half my batch and half a spore syringe.

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Re: Large casings without cakes or grain spawn... [Re: Wahoo]
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Ok good, so I wasn't off on a limb of my own when I tried this  :smirk:


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