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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14542318 - 05/31/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: It seems there is a competition between these selves that inhabit different areas of the brain. They all have strong ideas (just like in politics) of what is the right way for the self to proceed. That is why we often feel so divided on what we are doing or should do. It's kinda cool in a way. Like they say, you're never alone. 
I agree if we we decide "selves" to be synonymous with "state(s) of mind"
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"States of mind" is a bit of an oversimplification. The interview describes a number of different hubs of cognitive activity operating simultaneously. Varying levels of stimulation determine who "wins" at influencing the behavior of the conglomerate entity.
In another example he says that the subjective experience of slowed time during a freefall owes to the high degree of stimulation in many different brain centers at once.
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Icelander said: It seems there is a competition between these selves that inhabit different areas of the brain. They all have strong ideas (just like in politics) of what is the right way for the self to proceed. That is why we often feel so divided on what we are doing or should do. It's kinda cool in a way. Like they say, you're never alone. 
I agree if we we decide "selves" to be synonymous with "state(s) of mind"
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Tchan909 said: "States of mind" is a bit of an oversimplification. The interview describes a number of different hubs of cognitive activity operating simultaneously. Varying levels of stimulation determine who "wins" at influencing the behavior of the conglomerate entity.
In another example he says that the subjective experience of slowed time during a freefall owes to the high degree of stimulation in many different brain centers at once.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14542487 - 05/31/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I often find myself thinking "we" in my mind when I am doing something alone. And I often feel as if two or more parts of my mind are "arguing" about the best way to deal with any problem. But then maybe I'm crazy as fuck.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14542491 - 05/31/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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frazy as cuck.
Or maybe you're just a Queen.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14542646 - 05/31/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I checked and I have room for one more person in my brain. Must be neat, pay rent on time and be a non-smoker.
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Here I am.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14542995 - 05/31/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or maybe you're just a Queen.
Heh, not really sure about the connection there. Maybe you are a little crazy too.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14544512 - 06/01/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Queen was notorious for saying "we" when speaking about herself.
But yes it's true, I'm bat shit crazy, thanks for noticing.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14544753 - 06/01/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Three people, one asks how to self destruct the other says there is no way to answer the question and the third wants to live.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14544801 - 06/01/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have those plus their cousins, aunts, uncles and friends.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14544820 - 06/01/11 08:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: xFrockx]
#14545190 - 06/01/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Does that mean both murderous and jovial OJ also had their own infinite number of sub-personalities?
Personalities live inside brain and have no brain. Brain is just an enviornment for personalities to gather. Or to put it in another words: brain causes personalities. Therefore personalities can not have personalities.
This what you see as human, is only an image of personalities... OH, WAIT!
Here is how it is instead:
Those things, called sub-personalities, lets call them wills of different bodily functions (body has many many many parts, resulting wills one is not even aware of). And our image of a person, what we call individuals personality, is a description of the current war state between wills. If there would be only one will, there is no personality, just some robotic function. But then again, wills can be categorized, and maybe some wills have formed an allay, which could be named sub-personalities of some sorts. Change the persons wills, or lose one will, and you could immedeately change the personality of a person. The art of manipulation.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14547155 - 06/01/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Inspired by OCs post and this great interview I heard on NPR Open Air today. http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/
I think you will really enjoy listening to the interview.
OK do you think there is an I or a legion of personalities vying for dominance in the brain?
Just starting the interview out. But is this a throwback to Freud? I've been thinking a lot about the id - ego - superego relationship. It has me buzzing at the moment.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Kickle]
#14547242 - 06/01/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Never made that connection.
Make the case?
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Kickle]
#14547280 - 06/01/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's honestly nothing astonishingly new in this interview, but it's a nice summary of the current state of neuroscience. The idea of customized rehabilitation was the part that struck me hardest.
Customized rehabilitation is far more economically sound than the heavy-handed system of rehabilitation we have now. Some offenders need to be put in prison to get their priorities together, but many other offenders (currently in prison) would be better treated with psychiatric treatment instead, and tackling this issue would undoubtedly save massive amounts of taxpayer money. Psychiatric treatment is cheaper than indefinite boarding.
Again, Saszesque... but what other methods would be preferable?
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Icelander]
#14547300 - 06/01/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well as far as multiple pulls manifesting into consciousness it seems to me that Freud had a plausible working model that could fit into neuropsych just fine. The Id being that which is primarily below consciousness and contains more primal urges/needs, akin to older brain structures. The Superego also primarily below consciousness and containing the more recent urges/needs of the neo-cortex such as social etiquette, morals, equal rights, etc. And then the Ego as the point of consciousness in which relevant material from each is brought to debate and decide upon. The ego being a way to bridge the gap between older brain structures and newer brain structures as both contain valuable information.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Kickle]
#14550512 - 06/02/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Well as far as multiple pulls manifesting into consciousness it seems to me that Freud had a plausible working model that could fit into neuropsych just fine. The Id being that which is primarily below consciousness and contains more primal urges/needs, akin to older brain structures. The Superego also primarily below consciousness and containing the more recent urges/needs of the neo-cortex such as social etiquette, morals, equal rights, etc. And then the Ego as the point of consciousness in which relevant material from each is brought to debate and decide upon. The ego being a way to bridge the gap between older brain structures and newer brain structures as both contain valuable information.

This could very well be the case. Psychology is very interesting in this way. We all have a brain with a will and personality(ies) but we still can't figure this thing out!
Lets just say that there are multiple personalities within our minds. How then does this phenomenon interact with ideas from social psychology like group think?
If we are debating and weighing decisions between our personalities in our mind why are we so willing as a species to go along with the group?
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: SlashOZ]
#14550574 - 06/02/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Going with the group offers more benefits than trying to go it solo.
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Re: The many people inside your brain? [Re: Kickle]
#14550603 - 06/02/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Going with the group offers more benefits than trying to go it solo.
Some of the time yes but not all of the time. For example, if you are hanging out with people and they start drinking the "kool-aid" it might be a much better decision to abstain.
-------------------- "Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose "Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS "When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi "Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson. "Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)
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