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Icelander
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mushiepussy said: O rly. Have you ever wondered how people aboard the space station survive without forests, oceans, or that big rock we live on?
you are an idiot. how long do you think astronauts could live without constantly being resupplied from earth? If your going to act like a retard don't do it in PS&P.
Quit flaming. If you're going to act like a baby then stfu.
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Dr. P. Silocybin,
If your argument is so weak that you have to resort to calling people names and insulting them, then don't post in PS&P. Try the OTD forum where insulting each other is how they debate there.
Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Icelander]
#14557032 - 06/03/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Resources are not confined to Earth. It just so happens we have an entire solar system full of materials, including water.
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: If your going to act like a retard don't do it in PS&P.
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mushiepussy said: Resources are not confined to Earth. It just so happens we have an entire solar system full of materials, including water.
Sounds inconvenient, I think it would be easier to take care of the resources we have.
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mushiepussy said: Ultimately, we don't need the environment. We can make our own.
Out of what? Definitely not anything that comes from the environment, which we apparently don't need. 
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mushiepussy said: Personally, I think we are the greatest thing that earth could create, and if we kill everything else, so be it.
Where would we get our food from? Are we going to travel through interplanetary space in search of essential vitamins and nutrients? I mean, since we don't need the environment and all. 
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mushiepussy said: Anyways, killing (even mass extinction) is a vital part of natural selection.
A mass extinction would definitely have a significant effect on ecosystems worldwide..for all we know, it could cause our species to become extinct.
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mushiepussy said: Resources are not confined to Earth. It just so happens we have an entire solar system full of materials, including water.
Wow, do you honestly think that searching for essential vitamins and nutrients in interplanetary space is a more desirable and practical alternative to taking care of the resources that we have here on Earth today?
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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Poid]
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iThink said: 1. If we destroy too many trees and die from lack of oxygen like you said, new species and plant life will evolve to take our place and be free from worry about human actions that aren't "harmonious with nature". With this being said, why do you still oppose deforestation? You claimed volcanoes are in harmony with nature even though they have destroyed tons of life which allows new life to take its place.
The earth would be better off without industrialized society. By this I mean that there would be a greater biodiversity and abundance of life. The reason that I don't want humans to go extinct is because I'm human. obviously it is in my best interest for our species to continue existing. I would prefer the we, as a society, learn from our mistakes and begin to respect the environment and not just exploit it.
To do this we must realize that all aspects of our environment are interconnected. If you hunt one species into extinction it will affect every other species in that ecosystem. If you pollute the oceans, then that pollution will effect every level of the food chain.
earth's ecosystems rely on a delicate balance. If, one spring, grasses grow extraordinarily well, then deer populations would grow. Wolfs will eat well and have more offspring. The next year there will be more predators, and the deer will have to compete for limited resources, causing a steep decline in the deer population, and then the predator populations. this is happening all the time on small and large scales.
If humans cannot act in ways that preserve this harmonious balance (death is a part of this natural balance, death and destruction are necessary parts of earth's ecosystem), then we will surely destroy the environment, again this is not a bad thing for earth (in the long run), but a very bad thing for people.
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iThink said: 2. You claim to accept that everything is part of nature. You then claim some human actions are not in harmony with nature. How can nature not be in harmony with nature? You also claimed large cattle farms are not natural. If everything is part of nature, how can large cattle farms not be natural?
Nuclear scientists are themselves animals, evolved naturally, their equipment is made of natural minerals mined form the earth, and their experiments operate according to natural law. Any action they make is natural, even if that action were to destroy all life on this planet, but an action like that is not in anyone's best interest and does not respect the harmonious balance of life.
When nuclear scientists don't respect nature terrible things happen for humans. Fukushima is a perfect example. Why build a nuclear power plant on the ocean near a fault line? because it is the cheaper way to cool the reactors, and there was money to be made. sure, this selfish action was natural, but it did not respect the harmonious balance of nature.
Again, in the long run every death simply brings new life. I only have a problem with it because we are rapidly consuming ourselves into extinction. I enjoy life and hope that future generations can share this joy.
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Why would the earth be better off without industrialized society? Because the results fit your personal preference? All you did was explain how you personally would prefer the world to be. Personal preferences have no objective universal bearing. I personally prefer the way things currently are due to the extravagant living standards that i gain. However, just because i prefer things this way doesn't mean that this is the "right" way to do things, for labels such as "right" and "wrong" are subjective concepts with no universal and objective bearing.
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Termite mounds are a good example of industrialized society.
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Why would the earth be better off without industrialized society?
Because clearly the earth's wants are the same as Dr. P. Silocybin's wants.
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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: DieCommie] 1
#14559846 - 06/04/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am wagering DPS is not a real doctor. Just a wild hunch.
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iThink said: Why would the earth be better off without industrialized society?
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: there would be a greater biodiversity and abundance of life.
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you can debate whether that out ways the benefits of industrialization or not, that part is subjective.
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Why is greater biodiversity and abundance of life a good thing?
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Dr. P. Silocybin
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OrgoneConclusion said: Termite mounds are a good example of industrialized society.
no, they are an organized society, but when I say industrialized society I am obviously talking about society following the industrial revolution that took place in the 18th and 19th centuries, beginning in England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialisation
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But he plays one on the Shroomery.
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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Why is greater biodiversity and abundance of life a good thing?
well I think that it is, but that's just my subjective opinion. If you think the benefits of industrialization out way the benefits of a sustainable ecosystem then that's your opinion.
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iThink said: Why is greater biodiversity and abundance of life a good thing?
well I think that it is, but that's just my subjective opinion. If you think the benefits of industrialization out way the benefits of a sustainable ecosystem then that's your opinion.
I think the benefits of industrialization are by ushering in a new unique ecosystem. It is nature's way and is not distinct from other changes in earth's ecosystem over the billions of years.
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Icelander
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iThink said: Why is greater biodiversity and abundance of life a good thing?
well I think that it is, but that's just my subjective opinion. If you think the benefits of industrialization out way the benefits of a sustainable ecosystem then that's your opinion.
Nice try. You can have an industry and a sustainable ecosystem both as history has shown.
I think the best thing one can do if they believe as you do is to give up their computers. Put some of that talk into action.
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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Icelander]
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We have been down this road thousands of times here. Never happen.
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If you realize that it is no more than your subjective opinion, why have you been arguing that your opinion is right throughout this thread?
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