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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14545492 - 06/01/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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My BS degree included university courses in biology, chemistry and physics in addition to computer science. Not as good as getting stoned and making shit up though...





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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: DieCommie]
    #14545499 - 06/01/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cheetos + couch + Pepsi + bong + chronic = new revolutionary ideas.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: android313]
    #14545503 - 06/01/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know. I didn't ask you. What are you doing in my thread?

Maybe it would be a good idea if you were to go away until you get your shit together. :satansmoking:

You could start by reading the forum guidelines.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Icelander]
    #14545729 - 06/01/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Depends on what one means by science?  The scientific method is pretty openminded imo and so would be the best of religions if you need to call it that.



I don't think science can be called a religion. It's explicitly set up so that, properly conducted, no faith is involved. Science makes no claims of proof -- it only tells us what we can expect will probably occur under given circumstances. It deals in correlation, and it entirely based around the one thing we are sure of, which is our sensory experience.

"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are not even superficial." - Nietzsche


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: NetDiver]
    #14545959 - 06/01/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What you said. :thumbup:


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14546015 - 06/01/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I have some basic understanding of how things work. If you are using a cell phone and the internet then you have used devices that I took some minor part in developing and/or building as a 25-year Silicon Valley technician, engineer and manufacturing manager.

My BS degree included university courses in biology, chemistry and physics in addition to computer science. Not as good as getting stoned and making shit up though...




Hey, he probably has like a GED or something.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: 4896744]
    #14546184 - 06/01/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OC certainly has a bs degree. :tongue2:

Probably pulls in the big bucks and lives in a mansion with servants and everything.  :lahey:


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: NetDiver]
    #14546747 - 06/01/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't think science can be called a religion. It's explicitly set up so that, properly conducted, no faith is involved. Science makes no claims of proof -- it only tells us what we can expect will probably occur under given circumstances. It deals in correlation, and it entirely based around the one thing we are sure of, which is our sensory experience.

"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are not even superficial." - Nietzsche




I think that the goal of religion is to better understand nature/life. by that definition science is absolutely a religion. And science does require faith, faith in the existence of reality and faith in experimental procedures. The bible was written by men, if you want to truly understand god you must learn to read what god wrote, nature.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14546814 - 06/01/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Any attempt to make anything out of science is just as dumb as any mysticism, it's a set of laws that tells us what we can expect in certain cirumstances. That doesn't stop people trying though including supposed rationalists, I don't really buy into how certain people are about evolution for this reason, it's not even likely that it's an accurate model, it's a barebones construction at best.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Icelander]
    #14546918 - 06/01/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
OC certainly has a bs degree. :tongue2:

Probably pulls in the big bucks and lives in a mansion with servants and everything.  :lahey:




Don't be a hater! :nono:

All college grads live the high life. :yesnod:


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14546971 - 06/01/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'll bet you're Diploid's sugar daddy. :grin:


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14547644 - 06/01/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think that the goal of religion is to better understand nature/life. by that definition science is absolutely a religion.



Yeah, but by that definition, all thinking, philosophy, and education would be a religion. :lol:

The more common definition is as follows:

Religion, noun:
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods

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And science does require faith, faith in the existence of reality and faith in experimental procedures.



The funny thing is actually that science doesn't require faith in the existence of reality, because that's not really something that can be disputed. There's not really any alternative to reality existing. Science works a lot with the anthropic principle.

And there's no faith required in the validity of experimental evidence, since, again, science never claims to prove hypothesis beyond a shadow of a doubt. It only says what we can probably expect under given circumstances, based on past experience.

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The bible was written by men, if you want to truly understand god you must learn to read what god wrote, nature.



God didn't create nature. Nature (humans) created God.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: NetDiver]
    #14547709 - 06/01/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

God didn't create nature. Nature (humans) created God.

Seems likely.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: NetDiver]
    #14548038 - 06/01/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The religions that I think are the most legitimate are Taoism and Buddhism. Would you consider these religions or philosophies? there is a gray area, Taoist don't believe in any god, but only in the Tao, the singular process that is the basis of all reality. I think that God is very loose term open to a wide variety of interpretation, god could be a old man in white, an omnipresent force, an alien, or anything really. just as god cannot be defined neither can religion/spirituality. I see science as an extremely rational and complex religion.

There are many similarities between Taoism and Quantum physics, the worldviews expressed by the two are not mutually exclusive. Even though Taoists arrive at their philosophy through intuitive processes and scientists base their knowledge on analytical logic, the two have come to similar conclusions regarding the true nature of reality.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: NetDiver]
    #14548159 - 06/01/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The bible was written by men, if you want to truly understand god you must learn to read what god wrote, nature.



God didn't create nature. Nature (humans) created God.




I don't believe in a judeo-christian god/creator. I was basing that statement on the philosophies of the naturalist John Muir. He was instrumental in the creation of the National Park system in America. He was essentially a transcendentalist, believing that god was an omnipresent force that flowed throughout the universe. His father was a protestant preacher, but John rejected the Bible and organized religion. He was still deeply religious, but believed that the bible did not represent the true nature of god because it was corrupted by society. He believed that god could be best understood by studying nature, the purest and most unspoiled "word" of god.

John Muir was extremely interested in science for this reason. He was the first to propose that Yosemite valley was created by glaciers, and was meet with great criticism from the geological community, but was eventually proven right. Science is the most accurate way to investigate the nature of the universe, and therefore the best way to understand the nature of "god" or whatever you want to call it.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14548274 - 06/01/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So if nature is the purest form of god, are you suggesting that i impregnate all the women i can at all costs in order to pass on my genes?


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: 4896744]
    #14548282 - 06/01/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As long as you do it in gods name. :shrug:


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: 4896744]
    #14548470 - 06/01/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If your attractive enough to get lots of women let you impregnate them and your children are healthy enough to survive and do the same, then yeah dude pass on your genes, but I suspect that very few women will let you impregnate them, so your shitty genetics will be lost and someone more successful than you will impregnate many women and pass on his genes. that's how natural selection works.

but I don't really get the point of your post, or how its related to mine. I wasn't talking about morality or anything, I'm not saying that you should only operate off your base instincts. I was jsut talking about transcendentalism and science :shrug:


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14548612 - 06/01/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So what is the point of observing "god" in nature then?

And nice extended personalism btw.


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Re: The Evolutionary Force [Re: 4896744]
    #14548977 - 06/02/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know man, Whats the point of life?
you quote Nietzsche in your sig so I assume you'd say that there is no point.
well I agree. life is meaningless, but it isn't chaotic.
there is a order to the universe. Nature is intrinsically balanced.

I think your interpreting my usage of the word god in the judeo-christian sense, but I think that god is everything.
god is the energy that flows throughout the universe. subatomic particles aren't real entities, matter is not made of anything, it is a process.
I don't see any better purpose in life than understanding this process as much as possible.

So whats the point? I guess I just don't have anything better to do.


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