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'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT
    #14540059 - 05/31/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Related to; Customs' seizures net rare drug (18kg of DMT) [NZ]

‎May 26, 2011
A Blenheim man has claimed online that New Zealand Customs were wrong to say they seized 18 kilograms of the hallucinogenic drug DMT last week.

Hamish Alexander Donaldson, 21, is charged with importing the class A drug dimethyltryphamine (DMT) after Customs intercepted a parcel last month addressed to him.

He says in online comments the parcel contained 18kg of root bark from the South American plant Mimosa hostilis, not the drug in its pure form.

Customs issued a press release last week saying a 21-year-old Blenheim man had been charged with importing 18kg of DMT – the largest interception on record – after a package was stopped at an Auckland mail centre.

The maximum penalty for importing a class A drug is life imprisonment.

In a post on Tripme.co.nz dated May 19, Donaldson calls himself OnBail and says he was concerned Customs had not said the DMT was in the form of root bark.

The bark contains DMT in levels up to one part in a 100 which can be extracted and used illicitly.

He is concerned media reporting the Customs release would prejudice the outcome of his case.

When asked to clarify whether it was 18kg of the precursor bark or the extracted DMT, Customs spokesman Rowan McArthur said if it was not correct, they would not have said so.

Donaldson says he had been a member of online forums at Tripme "for a while", but changed his profile to describe his situation and ask for help.

On the Tripme forum, he says he intended to sell the bark online for use as a material dye, leather tanner or incense.

He thought it was legal to import the Mimosa hostilis root bark. When spoken to by The Marlborough Express he said the plant was not on the Customs list of prohibited materials.

He had ordered the bark from American trading website Ebay.com, paying about US$700 (NZ$920 at the time), but has not seen the contents of the package. It has been kept by Customs.

Donaldson appeared in the Blenheim District Court on April 20 and May 16.

He has not yet entered a plea, has been released on bail at a house in Blenheim and will appear again on June 9.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/5064907/Root-bark-not-illegal


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Ogla]
    #14540068 - 05/31/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Lmao yup. 18kg DMT. priceless.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: lasdR]
    #14540079 - 05/31/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That would be alot of dmt :trippnballs:


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: alcoholocaust]
    #14540303 - 05/31/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

if he gets any jail time its some bullshit, just shows how fuckin ignorant drug enforcers really are


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Ogla]
    #14540342 - 05/31/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, the original article was posted a day or two ago.  Nice to see a followup.  I hope he doesn't get charged with 18kg of pure DMT, which is what the original article implied was happening.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: BothHands]
    #14540392 - 05/31/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

our brains and most plants already contrain fucking dmt. lets put everybody with a brain in prison already, like tyrant facists allways does and let the braindead zombies go on watching lady gaga.

all nature should be banned next. we cant have this crap growing everywhere. everything must be nice and neat gray concrete. colour should only be allowed in commercial adds and posters. Burn the amazon forrest down! build more burgerkings. We must ban ALL, cause hell, someone might extract DMT from it.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: lasdR] * 1
    #14540404 - 05/31/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

those braindead fascists. all they listen to is lady gaga. they should listen to good music like we do.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: fung_us_among_us]
    #14540426 - 05/31/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nono, the braindead general public zombies are just ignorant. they dont know any better, so they lick the governments boots for "security". they need to be babied.

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Ogla]
    #14540515 - 05/31/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In the US it doesn't matter how pure your drugs are, the punishment is the same.  Not sure about NZ law.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: lasdR]
    #14540600 - 05/31/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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lasdR said:
lets put everybody with a brain in prison already, 





That's what they have been trying to do for years.

Anyone who says,"....Hey... Wait a minute. That doesn't actually make any sen-"

(Gets snatched by govt. agents)

Anyone else wanna think about our decisions?
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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14540800 - 05/31/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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E-in Liondragon said:
That's what they have been trying to do for years.

Anyone who says,"....Hey... Wait a minute. That doesn't actually make any sen-"

(Gets snatched by govt. agents)

Anyone else wanna think about our decisions?
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Are you serious?

Who has the US government hassled for speaking up?


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14541039 - 05/31/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Speaking out includes action in my opinion, so by my definition, all the people they arrest  for, let's say, marijuana possession are being hassled for speaking out. That's alot of people.

I guess if you strictly are talking about speaking, they don't hassle you for that specifically, at least they say they don't.. They may start watching you after they hear what you say though, and look for a reason they CAN hassle you. So basically they DO bother you for speaking out.

I apologize if you weren't being serious and I just missed the sarcasm.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14541072 - 05/31/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Bs... its a dmt container not pure dmt as the article makes it seem. If he goes to jail... f teh police! Well the drug enforcement ones at least^ ^


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: runepanther]
    #14542120 - 05/31/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

$38/kilo.  Niiice.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14542897 - 05/31/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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In the US it doesn't matter how pure your drugs are, the punishment is the same.  Not sure about NZ law.




Its the same in NZ/Aus , if a drug is in tablet form or paper authorities weight the entire lot and determine the actual weight of drugs based on that. For example if you are caught with a sheet of acid, the actually weight of LSD relative to other drugs is miniscule but LE weigh paper and all. Same goes for pills, if you are  caught with 100 pills, they weigh it all so you end up with over an ounce of amphetamines and a trafficking charge.

Drug laws don't make sense. When someone invents a machine that makes cocaine out of water, maybe the government will see the futility of the WOD.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Ogla]
    #14547494 - 06/01/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The police or the state can really charge anyone with anything they wish, irregardless on their ability to make a final conviction.:mad:

In the end, the accused rather he beats the charge or not often deals little with the facts, but more often then not, deals with how much money they can extract (extort) out of the accused.:mad2:

Lets face it, for the crown (police), they are in a win win situation. In this case, even if the guy beats the charge, he obviously is going through a lot of mental anguish, and probably pulling a fair amount of cash to invest in his defense.
It might be different if the police had to pay for the guys legal defense should the accused prevail. :smirk:


Even bigger prize for the police is it frightens others to may try and import similar commodities as the accused. My thoughts it may even serve as a test case to help condition the masses that tighter controls are being placed on civil liberties are coming down the pipe for the future. Stock up while the getting is good i guess.:rolleyes:


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Vitalux] * 2
    #14547525 - 06/01/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"irregardless" isn't a word.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: BothHands]
    #14549449 - 06/02/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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"irregardless" isn't a word.




Sure is- it means "without a lack of regard".


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: BothHands]
    #14549570 - 06/02/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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"irregardless" isn't a word.





irregardless

ir·re·gard·less
adv \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Definition of IRREGARDLESS
nonstandard
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Usage Discussion of IRREGARDLESS
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Doc_T]
    #14549777 - 06/02/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
Quote:

BothHands said:
"irregardless" isn't a word.




Sure is- it means "without a lack of regard".




The double negative "without a lack" negates itself, thus "irregardless" actually means "with regard".  The prefix "ir-" means "the opposite of", thus "irregardless" becomes "the opposite of regardless" which becomes "with regard".  Obviously, given the context, people mean "regardless" and are accidentally abusing grammar with a double negative, much like "ain't no".


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Seuss]
    #14549783 - 06/02/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's excessive but not incorrect, agreed.

My argument is with the idea that a certain word is or is not a word.
I believe dictionaries should be descriptive rather than prescriptive.
But that's a threadjack waiting to happen.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Doc_T]
    #14549813 - 06/02/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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"But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’," Alice objected.
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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: roquet]
    #14549821 - 06/02/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

But I always pay a word extra when I use it like that!


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Ogla]
    #15469502 - 12/05/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm personally disgusted to hear about this. When the story first came out I thought it was actual DMT crystal, you CANNOT call a bark that contains a lot of things, including a low percentage of DMT, 18KG of DMT! Human's contain a lot of things, including a low percentage of DMT, they cannot be made illegal. This is not law, this is plain and simply the abuse of law for institutional gain in the form of egoic rejoicing in complete ignorance of the facts of the matter. If it is not on the customs list then it should definitely not be withheld and noone should be prosecuted. Even if it is, why? Where do you draw the line, it seems that there is not even a domain for rational discourse about this topic, which is exactly what is so CRIMINAL about such a thing. If I imported mimosa hostilis there's no way your going to prosecute me in court and take that off me, there's no way I'd stand to that kind of tyranny without fighting it to the end and not cowering at any point as if I've done something wrong.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: a_n_i_m_a]
    #15470236 - 12/05/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

actually dmt hasnt been proven to be in the human brain. its a theory


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: alcoholocaust]
    #15470245 - 12/05/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I believe the speculation is that DMT is produced in the pineal gland.  That bit of information hasn't been proven.  But DMT is an endogenous chemical that can be found in spinal fluid.  Its function is not known though, and it's thought to probably just be a metabolic biproduct without a specified function.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: a_n_i_m_a]
    #15471445 - 12/05/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm personally disgusted to hear about this. When the story first came out I thought it was actual DMT crystal, you CANNOT call a bark that contains a lot of things, including a low percentage of DMT, 18KG of DMT!




Under US law, the concentration doesn't matter.  If you put one gram of cocaine in an olympic swimming pool, and a cop finds it, they can charge you with hundreds of tons of cocaine.


Some countries test the potency of seized drugs and factor that in.  Not sure if NZ is like that or not.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: BothHands]
    #15472331 - 12/05/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It is a myth that pineal glands are a source of droogz' - I think Fear and Loathing helped perpetuate it.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15472823 - 12/06/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Plant material containing scheduled compounds considered harmful to individuals and society, by its misuse, are upon harvesting considered a "preparation" and hence illegal. When police weight seized cannabis every part of the plant, regardless of weather it is smokable or not, is weighed.

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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: slagMUFFIN]
    #15513360 - 12/13/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What I strongly detest is the lack of a law (REQUIRING scientific and critical analysis) guiding the highly ambiguous idea of "what is considered harmful to an individual or society". It is nothing more than  an abuse of power for politicians to make that call when the health department and law commission is suggesting otherwise. You cannot make the MOST harmful substances (alcohol and cigarettes) legal and actually refer to another substance as considered harmful when there is little or no evidence to suggest it is in any way (quite the contrary for alcohol & cigs). The only conclusion one can draw is that government is ideologically driven (in a highly bigoted and ignorant manner) when it comes to drug policy and very much an anti-science force it seems when it comes to social policy. This should not be undermined by scientific and and other intellectuals at universities when it comes to scientific freedom. It seems the dark ages mentalities never left us, hopefully science will be triumphant in hiding it's pro-evolutionary practices from the local branch of the materialistic inquisition and continue to learn while the authorities continue to propagate egoic nonsense.
When it comes to DMT in human physiology, what I recall is that it has been found in the spinal fluid and it is speculated to also be produced in the pineal gland as all of the metabolic precursors have be found present in the pineal body. So by U.S. law (mentioned above) we are all carrying our body weight in DMT and liable for prosecution. This exemplifies how completely retarded current law regarding substance legality is. Why don't they just make amino acids illegal or would that make it too obvious how persecuted we already are (save our lack of awareness).


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: runepanther]
    #27560946 - 11/28/21 04:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

This article is outdated and has so much misinformation.
Mimosa hostilis root bark is used for everyday cosmetics products because it's excellent for skin and hair, it is also used for dyeing clothes and leather. That is like buying grapes and then charging people for making wine or grappa liquor.


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Re: 'Root bark not illegal'; New Zealand Customs mistake MHRB for DMT [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #27561016 - 11/28/21 04:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

"This article is outdated and has so much misinformation."

That's not a reason to bump a 10½ year old post. :facepalm:




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