Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14536360 - 05/30/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And who says that self-destructive people shouldn't have the right to take any drug they want? Or that someone with a serious heart condition, or suffering from epilepsy, shouldn't do as much cocaine as they please? Since when should other people care how a eparate individual from themselves decides to fuck up their lives?


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: mushiepussy] * 4
    #14536474 - 05/30/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

to make sure people with mental disorder don't hurt themselves

And who are you, their mother?

People have a right to hurt themselves, including people with mental disorders. Anyone with a mental disorder can cut off their ear any time they want to. As long as they don't do it to anyone else, why the fuck do you care?

Leave people fucking alone as long as they don't hurt anyone else. Why is this such a hard concept?

Do you know that in Florida where I live, due to the hysteria over oxycodone pill mills that sells to CONNECTING ADULTS, patients with debilitating painful medical conditions can't get pain medicines any more? And the few who still can have to go through a huge hassle every 30 days and be treated like criminals at the drugstore. Doctors are refusing to prescribe because they're afraid of DEA scrutiny. WTF?

Meanwhile Florida is releasing violent thugs convicted of rape and murder to make room for drug users who hurt no one except maybe themselves. W--T--F?

And the recreational oxycodone users? Nothing has changed. They're still getting their pills anyway, just not at the local pill mill any more.

Lol.. I can't believe this is even a debate on this website.

Click the link in my signature for the idiotic truth. Some one out of four people on this web site are in favor of locking up people, destroying their lives and careers with felony convictions, and tearing apart families with prison sentences for those who exercise sovereignty over their own body.

That's how incredibly fucked up the human species is. Even on a drug web site, a quarter of the membership are non-thinking sheeple prohibitionists.


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14536714 - 05/30/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

a doctors approval should be required.

Yeah cause you can totally trust doctors.  Just not yourself. :monkeydance:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedon_vedo
MerKaBa
Male

Registered: 05/12/11
Posts: 1,383
Loc: 5th dimension
Last seen: 3 years, 10 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14536823 - 05/30/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
a doctors approval should be required.

Yeah cause you can totally trust doctors.  Just not yourself. :monkeydance:




:laugh2: But i thought doctors knew everything!

On a much lighter note drugs will most likely never be legal just like taxes will always exist (as long as our current government is running shit), making drugs illegal is just another way for the government to control us while continuing to argue our freedom.


--------------------
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us all. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.

Edited by don_vedo (05/30/11 05:21 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejohnm214
Male User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14536870 - 05/30/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
a doctors approval should be required.

Yeah cause you can totally trust doctors.  Just not yourself. :monkeydance:






Yeah, and on what grounds is a doctor supposed to give you drugs?  Doctors aren't 'life coaches' and they don't know what is and isn't good for you to do in every situation.

They prescribe drugs for discrete phamacological effects: recreation is not such an effect that has any traditional or scientific basis for such prescription and hence its ridiculous to force this on doctors and expect them to have a learned opinion on this any more than it is expected for them to be able to tell you what the safest kind of car to get is or whether you should ride a bicycle despite the dangers of getting hit by a car, crashing, et cet

It would be illegal for doctors to do this in the first place per DEA licensure, and likely per all state regulations as well.

Its simply unfair to expect doctors to have any valid input on something like this they know nothing about.  You think some doctor knows a lot about how to use heroin or, even better, extasy?  uh, no.  They don't have anything to do with the practic of all but a few academics.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: johnm214]
    #14536939 - 05/30/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In fact, a doctor is prohibited by basic medical ethics to give you a script for recreational drugs as they are not medically necessary and most are harmful.

Primum non nocere (First, do no harm)

And it's not a doctor's affair anyway. While I may inform my doctor of my habits for the sake of an accurate medical history, I don't ask him for permission to have a beer or smoke a cigarette. Nor should I have to.


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePoid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area Flag
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Simms]
    #14537121 - 05/30/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Simms said:
Quote:

Poid said:
Bullshit, I don't believe you one fucking bit. I'll bet you $1 million that you would shit your pants if things suddenly became more anarchistic, and governments started toppling over.



Then don't believe it, ones beliefs are their own personal thing.


Kind of like how you believe you would rather suffer in hell than live in your current situation? :lol:


Quote:

Simms said:
Quote:

Poid said:
Why would you not choose the lesser of two evils? What kind of point are you trying to make, and to whom? :strokebeard:




I already told you what point I was trying to make.


No you didn't..what are you trying to prove by telling me that you prefer hell to your current situation (which you referred to as prison), and to whom? Are you trying to prove to me that you're brave, or are you trying to convince yourself of that?


Quote:

Simms said:
Quote:

Poid said:
Quote:

Simms said:
This state, where we are now, is denial of our natural state.


Define "natural state", then explain to me how any state can be unnatural.



We are talking about different things here. You seem to imply human nature in general, but I am talking about an individual, who, according to your understanding which you expressed, is going to do terrible terrible things if laws are taken away. Therefore, since there is free will of how one can be, and no-one in control of what one can do, it is a natural state.


How is that in any way a natural state? People have been controlled by other people since the dawn of man..you're basically saying that the only people who live in so-called "natural states" are feral humans. :lol:


Quote:

Simms said:
You also claimed that craziness is our current natural state, which we need to supress, which speaks against your first point.


May you explain how that speaks against my first point?


Quote:

Simms said:
However, do you think supressing ones mind, wants and morals is progression?


No, but society seems to have been steadily progressing towards a state where there is a minimal amount of suppression..look at the stark difference between 50's society and 60's society for an example of this.


Quote:

Simms said:
I think, we have already regressed. This progression, which you are talking about, only exists in the form of inventions, 100 year old combustion engines, electricity, etc. But human  mind has stayed relatively the same. Same wars, as always, after 10 000 years, caused by whom? People?


Duh, it's not like we can progress in every conceivable way..humans are naturally territorial and somewhat xenophobic, I don't think we're going to progress beyond the need for war any time soon, if ever at all.


Quote:

Simms said:
Quote:

Poid said:
Quote:

Simms said:
99% of worlds problems is caused by 0,001% of people on this planet -- the world leaders.


Do you have any evidence for this statement, or did you just pull it out of your ass or something? :lol:



Evidence is pretty abundant, wars, dominant countries importing all the goods from poor areas, causing economical unbalance. I am not going to point it out to you, I am here not to convince you to anything.


Then..GTFO of this debate forum with your crap? :shrug2:
Man, it always surprises me when people come in here not wanting to debate..seriously, how ******** can a person be? :rofl2:


Quote:

Simms said:
Quote:

Poid said:
Quote:

Simms said:
But only world leaders are able to control enough amount of people to destroy a nation, make a war.


So you prefer anarchy, a state in which individuals are constantly at war with their own neighbors, to what we have today, a state where the common citizen never has to experience war in his/her life? My, you're a compassionate one. :rolleyes:




You are making assumptions here.


Where am I making assumptions? You said yourself you prefer hell (an anarchy) to prison (your current situation).


Quote:

Simms said:
Assumptions come from one persons current mindset, which speaks that human mind has not progressed much over the 10 000 years, so you think it needs to be put in prison. The only logical next step to this is death -- is that what you want?


This doesn't make any sense to me..would you mind rephrasing it? :crazy2:


Quote:

Simms said:
Most of anarchists come from low-wealth worker class families, me included. What this means, is that most of them are already half-adapted to survival state. For us, if we had to choose a shitty life between closed walls and a shitty life with an actual opportunity to grow as I want, we most definately choose the latter.


:picard:

There is not a single anarchist in the Western world who is adapted to living in a total anarchy..sure, some may be able to survive in the wild, but that's only half the battle in an anarchy. You would have to defend yourself against hordes of people while at the same time be able to sustain yourself via outdoorsman survival skills. Nobody, except for super-rich people who have lots of weapons and other resources, would cope very well in a total anarchy.


Quote:

Simms said:
What I believe in, is total anarchism.


Yeah, I know, and it's fucking retarded because you don't seem to be able to grasp that you probably wouldn't survive a second in such an environment, and if you did, it would a second spent in agony and suffering.


--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSimms
Fuckwit
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/17/08
Posts: 1,109
Loc: Somewhere in Europe
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14538456 - 05/30/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This isn't even debate. Because the most basic assumption you are making, is a simple BELIEF that anarchy = chaos.

"Simms said:
Assumptions come from one persons current mindset, which speaks that human mind has not progressed much over the 10 000 years, so you think it needs to be put in prison. The only logical next step to this is death -- is that what you want?"

Ok, I rephrase it because you seem to be too blindfolded by your assumptions and accusations:
Assumptions, that anarchy = chaos, come from current mindset, of fear, as described in previous statements. This aspect basically tells us, that human mind has not progressed much at all, if such fear of total freedom has existed over 10 000 years. This raises the question: Are we actually progressing towards more imprisonment? You say that humans are bad, and they will do bad things in freedom, therefore they need to be in prison. The next logical progression for imprisonment is death punishment. Should humans abort their existence? Is this your vision of progression?


I simply do not believe that total anarchy = total chaos. The second big assumption you made, was that I believe same things you do, or things you believe I believe.

This is a debate oriented philosophy forum. Philosophical debate is oriented towards ideas, not wordings. And looking many of your posts, I am beginning to think that you don't even try to understand the idea, its just a debate competition for you... Forgive me if I am wrong.


--------------------

Edited by Simms (05/30/11 11:11 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemushiepussy
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/06/11
Posts: 1,198
Loc: Flag
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Simms]
    #14538596 - 05/30/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, maybe not a doctors approval, but instead just don't sell to people with a history of violence so they don't hurt themselves or others.
I just don't think we should sell drugs to psychos in the supermarket :shrug:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJordan Black
Male

Registered: 05/09/11
Posts: 59
Last seen: 12 years, 8 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: johnm214]
    #14538681 - 05/30/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First off, great debate all around and interesting thread. Just one thing I had to ask.

"Marijuana causes far more harm than heroin, and far more addictions"

um...  :stars:  :confused:  :foreheadslap: ... really?

Care to explain? Some kind of article or statistic that supports this (seemingly) absurd claim?

I may be missing something here, if so please fill me in *takes another vaporizer rip*

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Simms]
    #14539434 - 05/31/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Should humans abort their existence? Is this your vision of progression?

Frankly...yes.

I simply do not believe that total anarchy = total chaos.

So lets say I'm bigger stronger and very hungry but there is a very limited amount of food.  You have a nice juicy steak and I'm going to take it every time even though you will starve.  Pure anarchy reigns. What is going to stop me from beating the shit out of you if you resist?


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline4896744
Small Town Girl
Female User Gallery

Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 5,128
Loc: United States
Last seen: 11 years, 9 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14540041 - 05/31/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Should humans abort their existence? Is this your vision of progression?

Frankly...yes.

I simply do not believe that total anarchy = total chaos.

So lets say I'm bigger stronger and very hungry but there is a very limited amount of food.  You have a nice juicy steak and I'm going to take it every time even though you will starve.  Pure anarchy reigns. What is going to stop me from beating the shit out of you if you resist?




He prefers nice anarchism which more closely resembles a hippie commune. :lol:


--------------------
Live your Life! :heart:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: 4896744]
    #14540083 - 05/31/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Most hippie communes failed.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemushiepussy
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/06/11
Posts: 1,198
Loc: Flag
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14540210 - 05/31/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Should humans abort their existence? Is this your vision of progression?

Frankly...yes.






Sounds like you're on the right track for a xanax prescription..

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14540223 - 05/31/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can I get it without a doctors prescription?:laugh:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrimal Glitch
literally just vibing
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/06/07
Posts: 4,854
Loc: 🌎 Flag
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Mufungo]
    #14540289 - 05/31/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Simms said:
Assumptions, that anarchy = chaos, come from current mindset, of fear, as described in previous statements. This aspect basically tells us, that human mind has not progressed much at all, if such fear of total freedom has existed over 10 000 years. This raises the question: Are we actually progressing towards more imprisonment?



legalization would be a logical choice IMO

but if it happened overnight we would get a backlash of mass hysteria that could take us back to the 80's :uhoh:


--------------------

                                  make the changa you wish to see in the world
                                                                gnome sayin'?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemushiepussy
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/06/11
Posts: 1,198
Loc: Flag
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14540322 - 05/31/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Can I get it without a doctors prescription?:laugh:




Hahaha
Where there's a will, there's way.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedon_vedo
MerKaBa
Male

Registered: 05/12/11
Posts: 1,383
Loc: 5th dimension
Last seen: 3 years, 10 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14540598 - 05/31/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Can I get it without a doctors prescription?:laugh:



:laugh2:


--------------------
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us all. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline4896744
Small Town Girl
Female User Gallery

Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 5,128
Loc: United States
Last seen: 11 years, 9 months
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14541014 - 05/31/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Can I get it without a doctors prescription?:laugh:




You can get literally anything online, legal or not.

You should try to get your doctor to prescribe you benzos for death anxiety. :lol:


--------------------
Live your Life! :heart:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: 4896744]
    #14541150 - 05/31/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for caring. :heart:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* A debate on the subject of the morality of drug use. neuro 1,873 7 02/21/03 05:10 AM
by Sclorch
* Spiritual Debate: Which is more necessary for humanity.... tekramrepus 1,769 18 06/17/03 03:22 PM
by ViBrAnT
* Drug abuse and Maturity.
( 1 2 all )
SpecialEd 4,351 33 03/04/04 09:23 PM
by sykobish
* If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug...
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Scarfmeister 8,356 65 06/19/03 03:14 PM
by Grav
* Drugs are evil!
( 1 2 all )
Autonomous 2,863 28 08/11/03 12:16 PM
by Pyronate
* Drug Use in Modern Society
( 1 2 all )
DigitalDuality 5,185 30 05/25/04 08:28 PM
by Redo
* Using Drugs to Control a Society
( 1 2 all )
Anonymous 4,845 37 12/19/02 02:27 PM
by monoamine
* Help me debate the morality of my scam ;)
( 1 2 all )
Grandpa 2,468 21 04/04/04 10:09 PM
by Mystical_Craven

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
4,571 topic views. 2 members, 3 guests and 25 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.037 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 16 queries.