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First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted!
    #14539178 - 05/31/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hi all - been lurking here now for a while, reading & researching, plotting and planning and am just about to fruit my first set of PF cakes (based on the PF Tek done right).

They've been in my shotgun FC for a few days (12/12 light with 2700K energy saver bulb but 6400K gro-light on order) and I've been misting and fanning, fanning and misting and I have noticed the cakes starting to grow sets of bumps and in some cases little branches of myc reaching out into the air. I'm hoping these are good signs that I will see some pins soon but at the same time I'm a little concerned that humidity may be too much or too little (analogue hygro on order) or that the growth i'm seeing may not be primordia but just the myc still growing due to incorrect conditions.

I'd like to post some pics and get opinions but not sure if flash would damage the growth at all.  Any thoughts?

The Shroomery is an amazing resource, thanks to everyone who contributes teks, its really helped me get into this hobby and in a lot of ways I'm not hugely bothered if I fail to get a good crop this time - I'm just really enjoying the process, and I'm already planning my next grow...


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539210 - 05/31/11 04:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the bumps are knotts(pins starting) and the flash wont hurt them :getstoned: pics will help out alot bro. whats your RH?

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little branches of myc reaching out into the air


is it going to the humidity.
if you put ur cakes on jar lids it will do that on the bottoms.

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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14539312 - 05/31/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hi - thanks for the quick reply.  Not sure of exact RH now as i'm still waiting for my hygrometer to be delivered.  Judging by the condensation on the sides of the FC it must be close to 100%.  Just grabbed a couple of pics of the growth to let you have a look. Temp is kept about 75F with gentle heating due to low rooms temp in this part of the world.

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Condensation levels:


Mmm... cake:


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Branching?:


Close on some other 'branches':


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539343 - 05/31/11 05:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

there doing what there post to be bro. it can take 5 or more days to see pins. just keep it up and u will have babies lol

i have two cakes i did with wbsf and they took 2 weeks to pin.



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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539349 - 05/31/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

2700k light isn't really doing anything.
Just use whatever sunlight you can until you get the right bulb.
No harm from using that one, just a waste of power.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539437 - 05/31/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the info people - have moved them into some indirect daylight, hopefully they'll get some benefit.  Is the cooler light a pinning trigger or does it affect the fruit formation?


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539447 - 05/31/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The low-frequency light doesn't do anything, the fungus doesn't even 'see' it.

Also, you really should not have condensation in your FC if airflow is at appropriate levels.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: Doc_T]
    #14539530 - 05/31/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Doc - I'm not 100% on this but I think my condensation is prob due in part to my heating of the fc.  Ambient temp is 65-70F where I am so its currently sitting on a heat mat to keep it about 75F.  This would cause condensation as the temp inside the fc is higher than outside - I'm not sure its possible for me to have an fc with no condensation if its warmer than outside and also at high humidity.

I followed RR's sgfc design in the video on his site however I drilled smaller holes (3mm) for my smaller chamber. On reflection I think slightly bigger/more might have been better but  I'm also fanning 6 times a day and misting a bit (to replace water lost by heating and to keep verm moist).


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539543 - 05/31/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You probably don't need the heat mat, but 75F is ok. As long as it doesn't go higher.
I'm sure you aren't getting as much airflow as you need, but you already realize that and are fanning.

The more you follow the tek, the more success you will have.
The more you deviate from the tek, the more failure you will have.

My advice: follow the tek.
Use the right light, the right hole size and spacing, etc, etc.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: Doc_T]
    #14539677 - 05/31/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the advice - have re-drilled holes in all sides except the bottom to regulation size and can already see the condensation is lessened.  Hopefully humidity is still high enough for happy cakes!


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539681 - 05/31/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So you're closer but still not right.

Room temp is fine, just ditch the heat mat.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539750 - 05/31/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds fine for during the day but I'm a little concerned that temps where I am will drop too low at night (I am based in northern europe).

I understand the 'follow the tek' rule to help minimise overeager noob failure but in this case the tek stipulates temps of 70-75 which at night I can only achieve through artificial heating and I'd rather heat the fc than the whole house while i'm in bed.

The night-time room temp can easily be 10c/50F or lower.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14539761 - 05/31/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In winter my room temp drops below 60F.
I think you are causing more problems than you are solving with the heat mat.
But get more advice, don't just listen to me. :thumbup:


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14542113 - 05/31/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for the advice - have re-drilled holes in all sides except the bottom to regulation size and can already see the condensation is lessened.  Hopefully humidity is still high enough for happy cakes!



you need holes on ALL 6 sides for a proper SGFC. the holes on the bottom lets air go up through the perlite and thats where the RH comes from.

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mr_squee said:
That sounds fine for during the day but I'm a little concerned that temps where I am will drop too low at night (I am based in northern europe).

I understand the 'follow the tek' rule to help minimise overeager noob failure but in this case the tek stipulates temps of 70-75 which at night I can only achieve through artificial heating and I'd rather heat the fc than the whole house while i'm in bed.

The night-time room temp can easily be 10c/50F or lower.



its ok it the temps get a little low. mine goes in the low 60's and there fine. they grow slower at lower temps. my SG is at 79f right now. cubes are forgiving, my FC has hit in the 90's:shrug:

like doc said: get rid of the mat. been there done that and :failboat:


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14544406 - 06/01/11 05:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hi - thanks for the further advice, been doing some extra reading and the use of heat mats in general certainly seems controversial and in this case would seem not worth the risk.

My sgfc does have holes on all 6 sides btw - its just that the holes i originally drilled were smaller.  Heeding doc_t's advice I made the holes I could reach easily bigger (on the top & sides) but left the holes on the bottom the original size as I didn't want to risk damage to the cakes.  However I have now increased the hole size on the bottom too and ditched the heat-mat. Guess I can put that to better use in another incubator...(?)


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14544422 - 06/01/11 05:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14544437 - 06/01/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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and ditched the heat-mat. Guess I can put that to better use in another incubator...(?)




Nope. Room temp.
Incubation is old news. Over time we've learned that room temp is better for a lot of reasons.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: Doc_T]
    #14544651 - 06/01/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cheers for the info - I'll read a bit more on that.


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14546937 - 06/01/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well my fc seems to be a much better place now - not much condensation to speak of, new analogue hygrometer is reading a steady 95% (except directly after fanning) and I now have my 6400k light up and running. 

Not much difference in the cakes themselves except the verm seems to be getting colonised and more knots are forming.

Anything else I should do apart from mist, fan & wait?


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14546962 - 06/01/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

enjoy!! lol


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14547082 - 06/01/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Heh - thats the easy bit... :smile:


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    #14547209 - 06/01/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol

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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14559332 - 06/04/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey so its been a few days - I'm starting to see some baby shroom shapes in the little branches but no actual pins yet.  Also seen a couple of things that have caused me slight concern so pics attached.

First a patch of blue/greenishness on one of the knots.  Pic is an extreme close-up, the actual size of the area is a few mm across:



Second is a kind of blobby deposit I suspect to be metabolites as I noticed some bit similar jelly-like deposits on top of the cakes when I birthed them, this patch is prob 3-5mm across:



I'm hoping neither of these are signs of contamination but would like to hear your input if possible?

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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14559402 - 06/04/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

looks like Stachybotrys chartarum, dangerous black mold imo but get another trusted cultivator or trusted id person. ALSO YOU WILL GET MUCH BETTER INFO POSTING IN THE CONTAM FORUM. Peace!


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: pcnubie]
    #14560102 - 06/04/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the reply - reposted in the contam forum.  Not sure of your diagnosis though - seems like every pic I can find of 'Stachybotrys chartarum' looks dick-all like either of the pics I posted but thanks anyway :thumbup:


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Re: First PF Grow after mouldy grow kit... Addicted! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14560601 - 06/04/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

that looks like the green starting to me. just keep an eye on it bro


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