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Why I am going to stop using ecstasy...
    #14537162 - 05/30/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)




Saddening...
How did people like Shulgin and other people first synthesize MDMA/MDA?

Not only does ecstasy demand destroy forests, but where I live(the bay area), there is large demand for these pills, and gangs have taken over
When I picked up pills with my friend in my first year of college, the dealer opened his trunk and had a bag with 300-500 pills on him, and a submachine gun

Whether ecstasy is a hard drug or not, I don't want to delve myself in an area where there are gangs, burning forests and a world wide trade involved


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #14537284 - 05/30/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

And so the government wins.

Safrole oil is used as a starting point for MDMA because it's easily obtainable. Because synthesizing most drugs is illegal and the chemical precursors used in their synthesis are also illegal, people have to turn to the most readily available alternatives.

Gang violence, guns and "crime" are all necessary in the drug world only because it's illegal.

If these substances were legal and the precursors were made readily available and natural precursors were cultivated on farms for mass production and sale, then there wouldn't be any gang trade and far less deforestation occurring.

You could also think about it this way, if everybody on earth used MDMA would it be illegal? Of course not. It's only possible to keep drugs illegal by indoctrinated the masses with anti-drug values. Therefore abstaining from MDMA isn't going to help anyone - in fact the opposite: the less people use, the stronger the anti-drug laws become and the crime will continue.

Gangs, violence and destruction are just a result of the law. By eliminating drug laws, we can eliminate drug crime. Fighting drug crime is pointless, it's only a symptom of a larger problem.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: Dawks]
    #14537472 - 05/30/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Dawks said:
And so the government wins.

Safrole oil is used as a starting point for MDMA because it's easily obtainable. Because synthesizing most drugs is illegal and the chemical precursors used in their synthesis are also illegal, people have to turn to the most readily available alternatives.

Gang violence, guns and "crime" are all necessary in the drug world only because it's illegal.

If these substances were legal and the precursors were made readily available and natural precursors were cultivated on farms for mass production and sale, then there wouldn't be any gang trade and far less deforestation occurring.

You could also think about it this way, if everybody on earth used MDMA would it be illegal? Of course not. It's only possible to keep drugs illegal by indoctrinated the masses with anti-drug values. Therefore abstaining from MDMA isn't going to help anyone - in fact the opposite: the less people use, the stronger the anti-drug laws become and the crime will continue.

Gangs, violence and destruction are just a result of the law. By eliminating drug laws, we can eliminate drug crime. Fighting drug crime is pointless, it's only a symptom of a larger problem.





Every single word you speak makes total sense.
Thank you.
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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: Dawks]
    #14537487 - 05/30/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There's better reasons not to use MDMA, like the fact that it creates neurotoxins in the brain. I did it once when I was 15 only because I got it for free and the amount of brain damage it did was enough to make me never do it again.

If I want euphoria I'll take LSD or smoke some weed, thank you very much.

And exactly what dawks said is what everyone in the whole world needs to hear.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14537636 - 05/30/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Safrole doesn't have to come from deforestation. Eugenol which is readily found in cloves can be turned into safrole, and vanillin which is found in the vanilla bean and is found in synthetic vanilla extract can be turned into safrole as well. These catecholamines can be methylated to create 1,3-benzodioxole and from there synthesis can be completed to obtain 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine. There are many paths to the final end result. Seek out Total Synthesis II by Strike. You'd be surprised at how many different methods there are.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14537658 - 05/30/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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occollegeboi said:
There's better reasons not to use MDMA, like the fact that it creates neurotoxins in the brain. I did it once when I was 15 only because I got it for free and the amount of brain damage it did was enough to make me never do it again.

If I want euphoria I'll take LSD or smoke some weed, thank you very much.

And exactly what dawks said is what everyone in the whole world needs to hear.



And what damage exactly is that?


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14537659 - 05/30/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Whenever you use drugs like mdma and amphetamines that have been produced in south east asia you are literally snorting, eating and injecting the misery and suffering of thousands of people.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: DiZzyBonne]
    #14537678 - 05/30/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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DiZzyBonne said:
Quote:

occollegeboi said:
There's better reasons not to use MDMA, like the fact that it creates neurotoxins in the brain. I did it once when I was 15 only because I got it for free and the amount of brain damage it did was enough to make me never do it again.

If I want euphoria I'll take LSD or smoke some weed, thank you very much.

And exactly what dawks said is what everyone in the whole world needs to hear.



And what damage exactly is that?




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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: LucyLove]
    #14537716 - 05/30/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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LucyLove said:
Quote:

DiZzyBonne said:
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occollegeboi said:
There's better reasons not to use MDMA, like the fact that it creates neurotoxins in the brain. I did it once when I was 15 only because I got it for free and the amount of brain damage it did was enough to make me never do it again.

If I want euphoria I'll take LSD or smoke some weed, thank you very much.

And exactly what dawks said is what everyone in the whole world needs to hear.



And what damage exactly is that?







If I am understanding correctly, there have been conflicting studies of whether or not MDMA is neurotoxic, meaning that it is NOT KNOWN whether or not it is neurotoxic. However, I am pretty sure there was a study done that if you use MDMA frequently enough you will have around a 5% reduction in serotonin activity, and the long-term side effects of MDMA are not completely known because its only been used for about 30 years or so. So you are wrong in stating that it is neurotoxic, because that really is not known.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: blingbling] * 2
    #14538027 - 05/30/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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blingbling said:
Whenever you use drugs like mdma and amphetamines that have been produced in south east asia you are literally snorting, eating and injecting the misery and suffering of thousands of people.




Literally? :lol:


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: muistrue]
    #14538075 - 05/30/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Going to stop using electronics and wearing anything with gold in it  also? Because the issue in South America of deforestation is 5 times worse over gold mining. If you ask me for one reason or another our daily living contributes to many horrific unintended consequences.

Think about the animal meats you eat, you know how much ethanol cow farms spew in the air not to mention the gas spewed from driving it from one place to another. Be realistic man, its sad and fucked up but us humans are on the point of no return. Completely fucked.

Don't let this stop you from rollin your balls off as MDMA in purity only gets rarer. We'll fuck up, end it for ourselves, the pretty rainforest of the world will recuperate and thus life on earth goes on.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: muistrue]
    #14538236 - 05/30/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@ op

Thanks for sharing that video. People don't seem to understand that when you make something illegal, you don't stop it from being possible to happen. You create a massive blind spot with no regulation.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: maug]
    #14538285 - 05/30/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i feel like most people on this website do not appreciate mdma for what its worth. out of every psychedelic experience i have had with the exception of salvia (fuck salvia) the ones that stand out are my first few experiences with ecstasy. granted, i was on lsd when i took the thizz but i have never had my mind blown like i did those days.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: therepeating]
    #14538427 - 05/30/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i stopped that stuff a long time ago, the thought of taking it again is revolting to me because it got to a point where everytime i would take ecstasy to try and roll, i would get a more dysphoria feeling rather than euphoria, i slowly stopped experiencing all the symptoms of the high in which you take the drug to get in the first place.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: Powdered_Toastman]
    #14538692 - 05/31/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am well aware of this...

If drugs were legal, it would be beneficial to everybody

but yeah...I've seen what mexican gangs do in this area. Their main money supplies are drugs like coke, ecstasy, and heroin
I dunno about meth though...

point being, everytime you pop a pill, buy a few grams of weed, or coke, you are affecting more than just yourself. no matter how much you defend your actions
If you stop using a chemical, demand will decrease and the gangs will go away
I try my best to know where my weed comes from(I usually pick up for the medical club), lsd is not gang-related at all, and my shrooms/mescaline are from plants non-commercial sources. and yes, my coffee is farmed in jamaica using legitamate farming practices


ive rolled three time, and I'm keeping it that way. not because of damage, but its just ridiculous how much I am affecting the world around me. I want to cut that to a minimum


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: DiZzyBonne]
    #14539060 - 05/31/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DiZzyBonne said:
Quote:

occollegeboi said:
There's better reasons not to use MDMA, like the fact that it creates neurotoxins in the brain. I did it once when I was 15 only because I got it for free and the amount of brain damage it did was enough to make me never do it again.

If I want euphoria I'll take LSD or smoke some weed, thank you very much.

And exactly what dawks said is what everyone in the whole world needs to hear.



And what damage exactly is that?



This guy has clearly done some permanent brain damage with ecstasy. Just look at his post.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: blingbling]
    #14539102 - 05/31/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

blingbling said:
Whenever you use drugs like mdma and amphetamines that have been produced in south east asia you are literally snorting, eating and injecting the misery and suffering of thousands of people.




So that's what makes it feel so good


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: kiss_the_sky03]
    #14539413 - 05/31/11 06:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Snorting misery...

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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: topdog82]
    #14539462 - 05/31/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Not only does ecstasy demand destroy forests



That's easily the most retarded thing I've read so far all year.
Piper auritum, dude. It's like a tropical weed and contains up to 80% pure safrole. I can plant it in my garden and distil safrole to be turned into isosafrole by the liter without the need of cutting down a single tree. If anything is responsible for the deforestation it's the industrial use of essential oils in perfumes and other beauty products that you buy at fucking Walmart. And of course the inscense that you treehugging hippies love so much.
"Ecstacy is responsible for deforestation..." LMFAO


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14539827 - 05/31/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I just had molly for the first time. Ive had pressed pills twice and methylone like eight times, but I have never rolled so much face.

Eyed out about .1 - .12 and thats how I know it was strong stuff. Literally thought I would need more but it lasted for 5 hours and I still feel fine, hardly any hangover save a headache.  What a night. MDMA is one of the most therapeutical drugs on the planet, but only if used in moderation. 3 times a year max for me.


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: topdog82]
    #14540006 - 05/31/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
point being, everytime you pop a pill, buy a few grams of weed, or coke, you are affecting more than just yourself. no matter how much you defend your actions
If you stop using a chemical, demand will decrease and the gangs will go away
I try my best to know where my weed comes from(I usually pick up for the medical club), lsd is not gang-related at all, and my shrooms/mescaline are from plants non-commercial sources. and yes, my coffee is farmed in jamaica using legitamate farming practices





So if we just stop using those drugs, the gangs will disappear..? They wouldn't just move on to whatever else is illegal and make money on that? Like robberies, kidnapping, extortion, murder... Not that everyone would EVER stop using drugs. If we stopped using the drugs that are popular then something else would take its place. Like LSD, or Mescaline. And then gangs would be slanging that.

I get my weed from a local grower, not tied to any 'gangs'. I get my molly from the NL where I'm pretty sure it's synthed there. I'm not seeing any gang involvement on my end, but I guess I'm just defending my actions? These consequences are from the DEMAND for the drug. You think that the gangs will really just 'go away'?


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: therepeating]
    #14541949 - 05/31/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i feel like most people on this website do not appreciate mdma for what its worth. out of every psychedelic experience i have had with the exception of salvia (fuck salvia) the ones that stand out are my first few experiences with ecstasy. granted, i was on lsd when i took the thizz but i have never had my mind blown like i did those days.




I completely agree. E just opened up this treasure trunk of feelings in me ive.never felt in my life. It's sad i could only get good rolls in Chicago. I have yet to find good rolls in WI. They're all bunk.

E is my favorite drug by far. No need for me to explain why. It's just the way it is for me :smile:


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Re: Why I am going to stop using ecstasy... [Re: bRaInMeLtErS]
    #14542001 - 05/31/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly. Using MDMA with another psychedelic like LSD opens you up so much more than LSD itself. I also find that amongst the confusion I encounter on acid, ecstasy helps me articulate and expand upon my ideas.


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