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Offlinefropouyo
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NEED A panaeolus ID
    #14535362 - 05/30/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Habitat:
Found these babies in my lawn after a huge thunderstorm the day after. Humidity is super high, temp is 90s :smile:

Gills:
brownish, not attached, gills

Stem:
reasonable skinny/small, brownish white, soft/smooth, hollow thin

Cap:
brownish/tan, soft,has tits a most of em

Spore print color:
straight up black

Bruising:
after a day of drying bruised reddish brown:)

Other information:
smells like a mushroom? lol. grew together in patches, didnt find one randomly. we have rich green grass..uhm yea, got anymore questions about them or need more pics just ask cuz i have hundreds in my lawn:)





^ some nice nips


^ nip side shot :smile:


^ GIlls


^caps


^black spore print, and a day after drying you can see the stems bruise a tad red


^sexxxxy cap


^numnumnumnumn


^ just some more:)


^stem to cap attachments


Well that about sums it up folks, please let me know if it active, poisnous, etc. im guessing they are
panaeolus cinctulus or panaeolus subs, but the subs do not grow in my area according to the what species grow in your area form..anywho, enjoy.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: fropouyo]
    #14535395 - 05/30/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Panaeolus cinctulus = panaeolus subbalteatus (= pan. subbs). 'subs' is mostly used to refer to psilocybe subaeruginosa, a different species altogether.

However, I think your mushrooms are actually panaeolus foenisecii. The prints in this pic look distinctly brown:


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: koraks]
    #14535402 - 05/30/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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koraks said:
Panaeolus cinctulus = panaeolus subbalteatus (= pan. subbs). 'subs' is mostly used to refer to psilocybe subaeruginosa, a different species altogether.

However, I think your mushrooms are actually panaeolus foenisecii. The prints in this pic look distinctly brown:





:whathesaid:


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: WVgetsrad]
    #14535442 - 05/30/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)



^ im positive the prints are black, my camera is a little off.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: fropouyo]
    #14535457 - 05/30/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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fropouyo said:


^ im positive the prints are black, my camera is a little off.




That camera does not lie. If I detect any brown tones in a picture, the are foes. I had prints which looked black to my eye, but when a light was shown upon them, the coloration changed.

If it's not black, it should be gray, not brown.

You have P. foenisecii, OP.

EDIT:

Note they gray where there are less spores on that print above the one in front.



This foe print below looked black when I first examined it.



However, when I shined my flashlight on the foil, I got this color.

Brown/purple = foe black/gray = subb


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14535477 - 05/30/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

koraks said:
Panaeolus cinctulus = panaeolus subbalteatus (= pan. subbs). 'subs' is mostly used to refer to psilocybe subaeruginosa, a different species altogether.

However, I think your mushrooms are actually panaeolus foenisecii. The prints in this pic look distinctly brown:





I think he may have both, mixed collection...dunno though.  More and better spore print pictures are needed.  The op should spore print more on foil, cover with glasses, cups, bowls, plates, etc. and wait overnight.  Then post pics of all the prints in natural sunlight.

op, got spore prints for these specifically?
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fropouyo said:

^ just some more:)




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fropouyo said:


^ im positive the prints are black, my camera is a little off.




That is definitely brown and not jet black.

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Ieponumos said:
If it's not black, it should be gray, not brown.




It should not be gray, only can appear so if the print lacks density.  P. foenisecii can be a blackish/greyish/slight brown though if its really dense.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Byrain]
    #14535503 - 05/30/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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gray only can appear so if the print lacks density.





My point exactly. See picture in my post above.

Plus, I've never seen a foe with gray in the print, only brown.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14535551 - 05/30/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ieponumos said:
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Byrain said:
gray only can appear so if the print lacks density.





My point exactly. See picture in my post above.

Plus, I've never seen a foe with gray in the print. Only brown.




That picture appears black to me, just not as dense as some would expect.

And the foe spore print on the right looks quite grayish black.

Full resolution

Here is it side by side with some P. cinctulus prints.

Full resolution


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Byrain]
    #14535565 - 05/30/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

okay i have just place a good 10-15 caps on foil and put some under a cup, il have to post pics and get back to you all within the next 24 hours, please check back.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: fropouyo]
    #14535595 - 05/30/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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fropouyo said:
okay i have just place a good 10-15 caps on foil and put some under a cup, il have to post pics and get back to you all within the next 24 hours, please check back.




Thanks, I look forward to it.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Byrain]
    #14535614 - 05/30/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Byrain said:
That picture appears black to me, just not as dense as some would expect.

And the foe spore print on the right looks quite grayish black.

Full resolution

Here is it side by side with some P. cinctulus prints.

Full resolution





That last picture was rather insightful. Only upon opening it in full resolution did I see the brown undertone on that dark foe print.

Thanks for the information. Thus, I guess the best way would be to put 'em under the scope! Speaking of which, do you have a micrograph of the spores from that confusing print?

I'm also curious, have you ever had a light printing subb? I mean one with a print that looked like that foe.

It's that brown/purple though that made me see those as foes.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: fropouyo]
    #14535635 - 05/30/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Isnt panaeolus foenisecii edible though, although the low ammounts of active ingredients it contains, she has hundreds.

and is it possible for subs, and foes to grow side by side? or even on the same lawn?


Edited by fropouyo (05/30/11 12:27 PM)


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: fropouyo]
    #14535673 - 05/30/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Isnt panaeolus foenisecii edible though, although the low ammounts of active ingredients it contains, she has hundreds.




If you want indigestion, go ahead bruh.

One study dubiously claimed foes contained psilocybin, but there is contention as to whether the shrooms in question were actually subbs.

Another claimed that they may contain serotonin, but even if they didn't it can't pass the blood-brain barrier.


It's whatever :shrug: Unless there were some pesticides sprayed recently, I say do what pleases your fancy.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: fropouyo]
    #14535677 - 05/30/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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fropouyo said:
Isnt panaeolus foenisecii edible though



Yes, it's a harmless species. Some people say that they contain 5HTP, and can therefore be used to enhance dreams and as a mild antidepressant. At worst, pan. foenisecii might causemild stomach upsets in people who are prone to it.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: koraks]
    #14535700 - 05/30/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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koraks said:
Quote:

fropouyo said:
Isnt panaeolus foenisecii edible though



Yes, it's a harmless species. Some people say that they contain 5HTP, and can therefore be used to enhance dreams and as a mild antidepressant. At worst, pan. foenisecii might causemild stomach upsets in people who are prone to it.




this.

ive eaten them before...they taste pretty bad imo. but i was fine.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14535738 - 05/30/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ieponumos said:
That last picture was rather insightful. Only upon opening it in full resolution did I see the brown undertone on that dark foe print.

Thanks for the information. Thus, I guess the best way would be to put 'em under the scope!




The color of that dark print was a lot more apparent in person.  Its the picture that was mostly tricky.  Even Curecat was tricked...  Though its especially easy to get tricked if you don't know what to look for.  I've been there before...


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Speaking of which, do you have a micrograph of the spores from that confusing print?




I will soonish (So many things to look under the microscope and it increases at a rate I dunno if I ever will catch up lol).

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I'm also curious, have you ever had a light printing subb? I mean one with a print that looked like that foe.

It's that brown/purple though that made me see those as foes.




Maybe if the P. cinctulus print is so faint I can hardly see it, but not really.  P. foenisecii has a lot more variation in the spore print color.

I mean the difference is really apparent in this picture.



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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Byrain]
    #14537339 - 05/30/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Byrain said:
Quote:

Ieponumos said:
That last picture was rather insightful. Only upon opening it in full resolution did I see the brown undertone on that dark foe print.

Thanks for the information. Thus, I guess the best way would be to put 'em under the scope!




The color of that dark print was a lot more apparent in person.  Its the picture that was mostly tricky.  Even Curecat was tricked...  Though its especially easy to get tricked if you don't know what to look for.  I've been there before...


Quote:

Speaking of which, do you have a micrograph of the spores from that confusing print?




I will soonish (So many things to look under the microscope and it increases at a rate I dunno if I ever will catch up lol).

Quote:

I'm also curious, have you ever had a light printing subb? I mean one with a print that looked like that foe.

It's that brown/purple though that made me see those as foes.




Maybe if the P. cinctulus print is so faint I can hardly see it, but not really.  P. foenisecii has a lot more variation in the spore print color.

I mean the difference is really apparent in this picture.






Every subb I've found prints thickly like yours, but I was wondering 'cause you never know.

And yeah the difference is pretty apparent there.

Also, I'm looking forward to the microscopy on that one bugger.


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Re: NEED A panaeolus ID [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14540932 - 05/31/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)




^ well there you guys have it, they are brown under sunlight?!?! but id have to say foes


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