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stranger_danger
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Gna try WBS again instead of rye.
#14534027 - 05/30/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got 12 quarts worth of WBS (already skimmed out all the floaters) soaking ATM. Planning to soak at room temp-ish for 24 hours
got a few Q's, iffen yall dont mind too much.
1.) friend says he doesnt simmer... should i simmer? if so how long? 2.) do you WBS users throw in any additives? (gypsum, coffee grinds, etc.) 4.) compared to rye, is there much of a difference in colonization time?
thanks guys..... i only used WBS once and i failed miserably.
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1) Yes, you should definitely simmer. As to how long, The millet will increase in size almost 50%, it will be soft enough to "cut" with your thumbnail as opposed to zinging across the room,and no more than 5% of the seeds should be burst open. These are approximations of course. I don't actually count the individual seeds to come up with the.. ..oh, never mind. (Do soak the seed overnight first though.)
2) I add whatever coffee is left in the pot from breakfast just because, and I also toss about a tablespoon of gypsum per about four quarts of boil liquid. Helps keep the seed from binding together for the first, (after PC cool-down), jar shake.
3) I think that strain/lack of contaminate and environmental conditions play a part in speed of colonization, rather than type of seed used. Although birdseed is cheaper!
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Personally I just soak over night could be 8 hrs or longer no more than 24, then just pour of the floaters if some are left I don't mind, then rinse really well and back in the pot I bring to a simmer and let it go until I notice the first grain that bursts and I draine and rinse again then I put them on baking pans or whatever I have lined with paper towels and let them drain for at least an hour usually two and check if there dry enough then I load and cook, never had any issues this way hope it helps
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For WBS i just;
1. rinse and clean very well in large pot.
2. Bring to a rolling boil in my PC with out the weight on.
3. Turn off gas, leave lid on, wait an hour.
3. Drain, shake and load jars.
Done Works like a charm, no overnight soak or nothing.
I put a teaspoon of gypsum to about 5lt of boil water, some being fresh coffee water.
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: FractalXplora]
#14534631 - 05/30/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Soak...simmer....dry well.....wbs is faster than rye.....with the same prep
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. *DELETED* [Re: penhed]
#14534658 - 05/30/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SomeGuy
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: flameclown]
#14534697 - 05/30/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you soak the wbs overnight, the next day when you go to jar it up, it will smell fermented, and that smell will not go away. What I do....soak for 3 hours, to germinate indospores. Drain. Get a pot of water to a rolling boil, and dump the seed in. Turn off the burner. Leave in the hot water until 24 hours has elapsed, from the time I started. drain,jar and pc. The diff. is, after the long soak, there will not be any bubling/fermentation, the way I do it
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#14534716 - 05/30/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: flameclown]
#14534799 - 05/30/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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For me, I soak overnight. not 24 hours, more like 14-18. Then I take the pot they were soaking in, and put it on the burner and heat until it started to simmer/boil. As soon as i see it start to go i wait about 10 mins and then take it off.
As for additives, i throw one pot of coffee into the soak, along with a cup of gypsum.
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stranger_danger
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: shroomiin]
#14535538 - 05/30/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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thx fellars
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SomeGuy
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: flameclown]
#14545944 - 06/01/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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flameclown said:
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paducahovoids said: if you soak the wbs overnight, the next day when you go to jar it up, it will smell fermented, and that smell will not go away. What I do....soak for 3 hours, to germinate indospores. Drain. Get a pot of water to a rolling boil, and dump the seed in. Turn off the burner. Leave in the hot water until 24 hours has elapsed, from the time I started. drain,jar and pc. The diff. is, after the long soak, there will not be any bubling/fermentation, the way I do it
First, the purpose of the soak is to force moisture into the kernels, not to germinate endospores. Second, you should rinse the kernels after the soak in warm water to get the sludge off. It will cause the kernels to clump in the jars and is also the source of that foul smell. To each their own, what works for you obviously works so keep doing it.
Your joking, right? The purpose of the soak IS to germinate the endospores. If it weren't for that you could just cook them like spaghetti
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. *DELETED* [Re: SomeGuy]
#14547374 - 06/01/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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stranger_danger
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: flameclown]
#14547383 - 06/01/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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flameclown said: Not joking. once germinated the bacterial endospores will form new endospores within hours. The soak doesnt kill the endospores, the sterilisation in the PC does. They are heat resistant, but the soak certainly doesnt reduce their prevalence in the grains.
anyone else care to chime in?
the soak makes them open up and be lest heat resistant... if i understand right
the soak doesnt kill them.. just preps em for the slaughter
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Re: Gna try WBS again instead of rye. [Re: flameclown]
#14547402 - 06/01/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bacteria in the endospore form is highly resistant to heat. In it's regular form, not so much. Soaking in water at temperatures around 25 - 35 celsius 'germinates' the endospores, turning them into bacteria and thus making them much easier to kill with heat sterilization. If they are not germinated, a lot will survive even 90 minutes at 15 psi, and the mycelium might not have a big enough head start to take over the grains before the bacteria replicate enough to spoil the grow.
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