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Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living?
    #14533960 - 05/30/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living?  Where everything we need to survive is regulated by machines?  Where you never have to grow up and can just play your entire life?  Moving from one fun filled adventure to another, just enjoying existence as if it was the societally accepted norm?

I won't go into the specifics about how everything its maintained and how energy is renewed...etc., just imagine it is and that there is no concern.  What kind of effect do you think this kind of society would have on the human psyche, and humanity as a whole?  Would we be fulfilled?  Would our lives be blissful without hard times to compare the happy times to?  Could this be the definition of a heaven?  Would we continue to evolve without anymore barriers to grow beyond?

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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14533976 - 05/30/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534153 - 05/30/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living?  Where everything we need to survive is regulated by machines?  Where you never have to grow up and can just play your entire life?  Moving from one fun filled adventure to another, just enjoying existence as if it was the societally accepted norm?


Yes, that would be my paradise..I pretty much live that now, I have no major responsibilities or plans for my future, I'm sorta just winging it.


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What kind of effect do you think this kind of society would have on the human psyche, and humanity as a whole?


It would definitely reduce a shitload of stress for our overly-stressed species. It would also definitely give each of us more time to work on our own happinesses.


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Would we be fulfilled?


I imagine that a few would not be compatible with such a lifestyle, but for the most part I think people would be fulfilled.


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Would our lives be blissful without hard times to compare the happy times to?


I think so..good times are good IME regardless of whether or not you've had bad times, or whether or not you compare your good times to your bad times. 


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Could this be the definition of a heaven?


No, because heaven is defined as a type of afterlife.


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Would we continue to evolve without anymore barriers to grow beyond?


What do you mean by this? Are you implying that we've been evolving without barriers to grow beyond, or that this sort of society would somehow remove any existing barriers to grow beyond? What kind of barriers are you speaking of?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Poid]
    #14534205 - 05/30/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Would our lives be blissful without hard times to compare the happy times to?


I think so..good times are good IME regardless of whether or not you've had bad times, or whether or not you compare your good times to your bad times.

I have a hard time processing my own question lol... but yeah, I agree, I think it is possible to experience a state of mind that is blissful and free from all negativity.  Makes me think about psychology terms like tolerance, difference threshold, and absolute threshold, and whether or not that applies to one's level of happiness/bliss.  I do wonder if a purely blissful species would want to share that love with others, or be arrogant and selfish still.  I guess it depends on how much they have evolved and how wise they have become as a species.


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Could this be the definition of a heaven?


No, because heaven is defined as a type of afterlife.

Not necessarily.  Even in the bible Jesus states "Heaven is within you, and all around you, in every passing moment." and "Heaven is spread upon the Earth and men do not see it."  Heaven is also used much more in the metaphorical sense, but I get where your coming from.


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Would we continue to evolve without anymore barriers to grow beyond?


What do you mean by this? Are you implying that we've been evolving without barriers to grow beyond, or that this sort of society would somehow remove any barriers to grow beyond? What kind of barriers are you speaking of?




By this I mean the ego, in a sense, its kind of hard to explain.  But it seems to me that evolution occurs because there is some sort of need for a new ability or instinct to increase the probability of survival for future offspring.  Just like now we are facing a time where the collective ego of this planet is very strong, ie. greed, selfishness, materialism...etc.  to the point where it could even destroy us.  but yet it is also IMO exactly what we need to grow spiritually.  In the end, our obstacles in life are what shape us and make us stronger.  Therefore, some might say they are necessary for growth.  In a "perfect" society where life is too easy, with no barriers to grow beyond, perhaps we would become stagnant and deteriorate.  I don't know, its really hard to imagine.  But then again, if everyone's state of mind is peace and love and let's just treat each other with respect and enjoy life, then perhaps a "heavenly" atmosphere of love and love for life will be created and it will somehow promote evolution and let it happen at an even faster pace than it already is.  lol umm, what?  Maybe!  After all, love is contagious and wants to multiply for some unknown reason.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534303 - 05/30/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I do wonder if a purely blissful species would want to share that love with others, or be arrogant and selfish still.


I think it would depend on the individual, but generally, I think people would be more loving towards each other.


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I guess it depends on how much they have evolved and how wise they have become as a species.


What does sharing love have to do with wisdom? You say "how wise they have become as a species" as if wisdom is an evolutionary trait that all members of our species develop as a result of their genetics, when in reality, it is a skill that must be learned. We each develop our own wisdom independently, and the degree of one's wisdom is more determined by experience than predetermined by genetics.


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Could this be the definition of a heaven?


No, because heaven is defined as a type of afterlife.

Not necessarily.  Even in the bible Jesus states "Heaven is within you, and all around you, in every passing moment." and "Heaven is spread upon the Earth and men do not see it."  Heaven is also used much more in the metaphorical sense, but I get where your coming from.


:andyistic:


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But it seems to me that evolution occurs because there is some sort of need for a new ability or instinct to increase the probability of survival for future offspring.


You're looking at it backwards..new abilities or instincts which increase the probability of survival for future offspring form as a result of evolution, evolution does not occur because of a need for such abilities/instincts. It may, however, happen to compensate for such needs.


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Just like now we are facing a time where the collective ego of this planet is very strong, ie. greed, selfishness, materialism...etc.  to the point where it could even destroy us.


What is the "collective ego"? What makes you think that "we are facing a time" where these things you mention are suddenly becoming rampant? Don't you think it's more likely that things have always been this way, if not worse?


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but yet it is also IMO exactly what we need to grow spiritually.


What do you mean by "grow spiritually"?


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In the end, our obstacles in life are what shape us and make us stronger.  Therefore, some might say they are necessary for growth.  In a "perfect" society where life is too easy, with no barriers to grow beyond, perhaps we would become stagnant and deteriorate.


Huh? As long as we exercise and eat healthy, what part of us would become stagnant and deteriorate? Our "spirits"? :rolleyes:


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I don't know, its really hard to imagine.  But then again, if everyone's state of mind is peace and love and let's just treat each other with respect and enjoy life, then perhaps a "heavenly" atmosphere of love and love for life will be created and it will somehow promote evolution and let it happen at an even faster pace than it already is.


:picard:

What the hell makes you think that world peace will "promote evolution and let it happen at an even faster pace"? Can you please explain, in detail, how this would occur?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534309 - 05/30/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I can imagine that world, its called Mexico.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14534318 - 05/30/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mexicans in Mexico generally pretty much do nothing but work..obviously, you don't know WTF you're talking about. :ednorton:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Poid]
    #14534335 - 05/30/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mexicans in Mexico generally pretty much do nothing but work..obviously, you don't know WTF you're talking about. :ednorton:




ive been to mexico several times, i think i know what Im sayin here. Im not being racist either as my son and his mother are mexicans. Im simply saying there are no jobs down there and most of the people that i saw had to live in clusters to survive. I dont know  your opinion but following tourists around harrassing them to buy stuff they made isnt work. They should just come up here and abandon that shithole to the cartels that are keeping it soo poor.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Poid]
    #14534377 - 05/30/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey how do you quote sentences??  I tried highlighting the sentence I want copied to the reply space, and pressed quote, but it quotes the entire message every time.  :shrug:

Do you trim it up into pieces or what?

You're looking at it backwards..new abilities or instincts which increase the probability of survival for future offspring form as a result of evolution, evolution does not occur because of a need for such abilities/instincts. It may, however, happen to compensate for such needs.

I'm pretty sure you just contradicted YOU'RESELF.

What is the "collective ego"? What makes you think that "we are facing a time" where these things you mention are suddenly becoming rampant? Don't you think it's more likely that things have always been this way, if not worse?

The collective ego is a term coined by Eckhart Tolle to describe the effects of individualism, materialism, and egoism...etc. on a large scale, I guess you could say.  Since we are now becoming a global network and creating a global consciousness, this idea is becoming more applicable.

What do you mean by "grow spiritually"?

By "grow spiritually" I mean grow beyond the ego-mind and its conditioning, its fears, its selfishness...etc. and adapt character traits that are more beneficial to the society as a whole, which I believe to be a part of evolution.

Huh? As long as we exercise and eat healthy, what part of us would become stagnant and deteriorate? Our "spirits"?

I need a joint to answer this question, sorry.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: thelivingfreekshow] * 1
    #14534379 - 05/30/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mexicans in Mexico generally pretty much do nothing but work..obviously, you don't know WTF you're talking about. :ednorton:




ive been to mexico several times, i think i know what Im sayin here. Im not being racist either as my son and his mother are mexicans. Im simply saying there are no jobs down there and most of the people that i saw had to live in clusters to survive. I dont know  your opinion but following tourists around harrassing them to buy stuff they made isnt work.


First of all, basing your entire opinion of Mexico's worth ethic on what you've witnessed in tourist areas is completely idiotic. :lol:

Second of all, who the hell are you to say that following tourists around "harrassing" them to buy stuff they made isn't work? The fact that they're willing to go through such extreme measures in order to make money is testament to how hard working they really are..why you think that such behavior is evidence of laziness is completely beyond anybody who is able to reason rationally.


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They should just come up here and abandon that shithole to the cartels that are keeping it soo poor.


Yeah, and get themselves and their entire families killed by angry border-residing American vigilantes. :rolleyes:


Most people in Mexico do some sort of labor..like you said, they live in clusters to survive, and these clusters do not take kindly to leeching individuals who bring everybody down. Mostly everybody does their fare share of work in Mexico, they don't have a welfare system like we do here which they can fall back on if things get heavy.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534395 - 05/30/11 04:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i dont believe i said i only went to tourist areas
i dont believe i said or insinuated they are in any way lazy
i dont believe border guards are handing out family executions
i do believe you should read more carefully and not add words or ideas to my post that arent there.:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534402 - 05/30/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey how do you quote sentences??


Top right-hand corner of each post has a 'Reply', 'Quote', and 'Quick Reply' button..click the 'Quote' button.


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I tried highlighting the sentence I want copied to the reply space, and pressed quote, but it quotes the entire message every time.  :shrug:

Do you trim it up into pieces or what?


Yes.


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You're looking at it backwards..new abilities or instincts which increase the probability of survival for future offspring form as a result of evolution, evolution does not occur because of a need for such abilities/instincts. It may, however, happen to compensate for such needs.

I'm pretty sure you just contradicted YOU'RESELF.


May you please explain how so?


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What is the "collective ego"? What makes you think that "we are facing a time" where these things you mention are suddenly becoming rampant? Don't you think it's more likely that things have always been this way, if not worse?

The collective ego is a term coined by Eckhart Tolle to describe the effects of individualism, materialism, and egoism...etc. on a large scale, I guess you could say.  Since we are now becoming a global network and creating a global consciousness, this idea is becoming more applicable.


I see what you mean by "collective ego" now, ..I don't believe that today's "collective ego" has been steadily getting worse, or that we live in a special time in history where the "collective ego" will destroy us, that just sounds like your run-of-the-mill baseless apocalyptic fantasy. :fairy:


According to Tolle, the "collective ego" is a term that is applicable to all groups of humans, regardless of size..this means that the idea of a "collective ego" has always been applicable, and isn't suddenly becoming more applicable due to globalization.


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What do you mean by "grow spiritually"?

By "grow spiritually" I mean grow beyond the ego-mind and its conditioning...


What does it mean to grow beyond that? By "grow beyond", do you mean "eliminate"?


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...its fears, its selfishness...etc.


It's not possible to completely eliminate fears, and all creatures are inherently selfish..selfishness is not something that any creature who wishes to survive and perhaps enjoy a pleasurable existence would want to eliminate.


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...and adapt character traits that are more beneficial to the society as a whole, which I believe to be a part of evolution.


Huh? You believe that developing character traits that are more beneficial to the society as a whole is a part of our evolution? Character traits, like wisdom, are not predetermined by genetics, they are determined by experience (i.e. Particular character traits are not evolutionary traits; our capacity for and our ability to express character may be an evolutionary trait, but specific traits, such as the manner in which one greets another, are not evolutionary traits).


I'm curious..what kind of character traits do you imagine would be more beneficial for society as a whole?


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Huh? As long as we exercise and eat healthy, what part of us would become stagnant and deteriorate? Our "spirits"?

I need a joint to answer this question, sorry.


Wow.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14534411 - 05/30/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i dont believe i said i only went to tourist areas


That was an assumption on my part.


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i dont believe i said or insinuated they are in any way lazy


Wow, are you fucking shitting me?

I can imagine that world, its called Mexico.

I guess, in order for Mexico to be a world where no one works for a living, its citizens don't necessarily have to be lazy..because, you know, a populace that doesn't work for a living can be considered anything but lazy. :rolleyes:


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i dont believe border guards are handing out family executions


What part of "border-residing American vigilantes" are you having difficulty with? Do you even know what a vigilante is?

There have been several instances of American vigilantes murdering innocent Mexican immigrant families, but I'm not surprised in the least that you are ignorant about this stuff. :shrug:


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i do believe you should read more carefully and not add words or ideas to my post that arent there.:billymaythumbup:


I just made one assumption, which according to you is false..that had nothing to do with not reading carefully, and I wasn't adding words/ideas to your post by making that assumption. Do you know what an assumption is?


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Poid]
    #14534418 - 05/30/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, you must be the all-knowing master of the universe I've heard so much about  :bow2:

Do you get your jollies off picking apart and contradicting everything people say, or what?  :bye:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534426 - 05/30/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, you must be the all-knowing master of the universe I've heard so much about  :bow2:

Do you get your jollies off picking apart and contradicting everything people say, or what?  :bye:




I just hope he didnt have his hand in his pants  while he responded to me...:Awesketch:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534428 - 05/30/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno, but you must get your jollies off posting in forums whose descriptions you refuse to read, or are otherwise incapable of comprehending.

This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning. If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.


I highlighted a few key-points in there for you..don't let the door hit you in your chapped ass on the way out. :lol:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Poid]
    #14534442 - 05/30/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I dunno, but you must get your jollies off posting in forums whose descriptions you refuse to read, or are otherwise incapable of comprehending.

This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning. If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.


I highlighted a few key-points in there for you..don't let the door hit you in your chapped ass on the way out. :lol:




Where is this door you speak of?
Why Sir, in your mind is his ass chapped?:ugh:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14534452 - 05/30/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Because he obviously got offended by my questioning of his claims (or else he would've answered my questions, and addressed my points like an honest, mature adult)..this happens a lot in this forum, some n00b comes in with ridiculous claims then gets pissy and leaves when people raise the slightest question. :shrug:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Poid]
    #14534531 - 05/30/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
Because he obviously got offended by my questioning of his claims (or else he would've answered my questions, and addressed my points like an honest, mature adult)..this happens a lot in this forum, some n00b comes in with ridiculous claims then gets pissy and leaves when people raise the slightest question. :shrug:




You're right.  Thanks for taking the time out to answer some of my questions and share your opinions Poid :peace:


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Re: Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living? [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14534570 - 05/30/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Shrooomtastic said:
Can you imagine a world where no one works for a living?  Where everything we need to survive is regulated by machines?  Where you never have to grow up and can just play your entire life?  Moving from one fun filled adventure to another, just enjoying existence as if it was the societally accepted norm?

I won't go into the specifics about how everything its maintained and how energy is renewed...etc., just imagine it is and that there is no concern.  What kind of effect do you think this kind of society would have on the human psyche, and humanity as a whole?  Would we be fulfilled?  Would our lives be blissful without hard times to compare the happy times to?  Could this be the definition of a heaven?  Would we continue to evolve without anymore barriers to grow beyond?

Thoughts?





Humans have psychological problems so I  doubt it would be very perfect.  I don't work and I'm still a mean old ass hole. :evil:


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