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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26355243 - 12/01/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So yesterday I decided to do most of the major purchases before I harvest my first 2 BRF cakes (birthed them on Wed, soaked for 12 hours, put them in a humidity tent/bag. Also got a few slower ones coming along nicely for birthing)- as I think they have started to pin (yay!) ... some of the edges have started getting small bumps (possibly more but I can't see it all due to generous verm dunking).

Not sure if this forum board permits it but is is possible to somehow pin a specific post in a thread here? So we could keep an up to date comprehensive list as the first post has not been updated since 2017 and there are shitloads of pages here and searching through a specific thread seems rather clunky. If not for you helpful guys in this thread I would not have found half of the things cheaper by myself.


* The final price for the Presto 23 I paid was only 80quid. Very happy for that.
* Followed advice here about 1L jars from Home Bargains and went to a big store - got 12 narrow mouth jars for 0.99
* Got 12 more wide mouth from Range online for 1.79  (wanted some variety - also it seems sensible that for agar to grain it doesn't matter if it is wide or narrow but for G2G using wide as receivers could be easier)
* 25kg organic rye from Doves farms 26.5
* 40 x 2 packs of sterile petris from ebay 27 quid (if I keep doing this hobby will buy a box 500 plastic and/or invest into some glass ones that Edmunter recommended)
* bought a nice and very overpriced pyrex 1000ml media bottle for pouring for 25quid ( i see this as one off purchases that could serve for years, but yeah ..could not find a good one that was also cheap :frown: )
* 250ft Parafilm roll that DeadlySin suggested (ones I had found were smaller and more expensive per length - I'm a sucker for value. Will also try cling film and compare if it is worth using parafilm in the future - some cultivators swear by it while other don't give a toss :smile: ).
* some SFDs from cylocybe that I will use to cut out and glue filters to jar lid. This shit seems very overpriced no matter where but cutting up them in smaller pieces and gluing should work for many lids).
* coir, agar, silicone , malt extract , heavy duty foil etc and other shit from ebay/amazon

the only outstanding bit as far as I can tell is to get some boxes from Ikea (the huge one for SAB, a few smaller ones for mono/unmodified tubs and some for shoeboxing) which I will do next weekend so I can start working with agar as soon as possible.

Very excited - I really want to get good enough to start growing my own Lion's Mane (from what I have read here - cubes are like weeds when compared to how difficult some edible/gourmet mushrooms can be to grow).


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26355927 - 12/01/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow thats an exciting haul :smile:  Im tempted by the Prestos as the price doesn't seem too bad, maybe once we get Christmas out of the way... the cost of all this myc stuff adds up!

I opted for a 500ml media bottle as it was only £8 and I thought 1000ml might be a bit heavy to manage in an sab, once full of agar. I've got 90mm petris off ebay, I think 20 was about a fiver, delivery took a while but they were good value.

With all this new gear, what do you plan on growing first?


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Tattersail]
    #26355929 - 12/01/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What's everybodys favouite brand of bird seed? Ive been using Tesco brand which seems nice and doesnt seem to have a lot of sunflower seeds. Are there any others I should look out for?


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Tattersail]
    #26355985 - 12/01/19 05:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow thats an exciting haul :smile:  Im tempted by the Prestos as the price doesn't seem too bad, maybe once we get Christmas out of the way... the cost of all this myc stuff adds up!

I opted for a 500ml media bottle as it was only £8 and I thought 1000ml might be a bit heavy to manage in an sab, once full of agar. I've got 90mm petris off ebay, I think 20 was about a fiver, delivery took a while but they were good value.

With all this new gear, what do you plan on growing first?




Haha, I see this lot as my Christmas present for myself - rather put it in some kind of hobby than buying some shit I don't need (no kids so don't have that money drain yet).

About what to grow -  haven't decided yet; cubes apparently are easier than most - as mentioned already I really want to try my hand growing Lion's Mane and perhaps some more "health" shrooms but before I try I need to make sure my sterile technique is sufficient.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Tattersail]
    #26356528 - 12/02/19 01:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Go for white millet.  You can get 20kg bags cheap online


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26356539 - 12/02/19 01:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Go for white millet.  You can get 20kg bags cheap online




There is not much difference. Doves farm got rye for £26/25kg. Millet is about £20/20kg. I used to love millet but it is so fucking messy :laugh:


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    #26356577 - 12/02/19 02:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Go for white millet.  You can get 20kg bags cheap online




There is not much difference. Doves farm got rye for £26/25kg. Millet is about £20/20kg. I used to love millet but it is so fucking messy :laugh:




I find millet is good for A2G and then G2G to Rye from there.  But i did pour a load of millet into the grills of my flow hood and that was a proper job.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26356598 - 12/02/19 02:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Go for white millet.  You can get 20kg bags cheap online




There is not much difference. Doves farm got rye for £26/25kg. Millet is about £20/20kg. I used to love millet but it is so fucking messy :laugh:




I find millet is good for A2G and then G2G to Rye from there.  But i did pour a load of millet into the grills of my flow hood and that was a proper job.




True, the extra inoculation points make up for its messiness. It seems a bit more forgiving with sterilisation as the grain size is smaller.
It is funny because even though I have a flowhood, I am not a big fan of g2g as there are lots of rooms for contams to enter (sterilie tek bla bla..). These days I prefer LC and bags, rather than expanding jars with g2g. I use jars to test clones and isolates from agar fruited in shoebox tubs and I use bags for mono.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: eLeSDenes]
    #26356625 - 12/02/19 04:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Go for white millet.  You can get 20kg bags cheap online




There is not much difference. Doves farm got rye for £26/25kg. Millet is about £20/20kg. I used to love millet but it is so fucking messy :laugh:




I find millet is good for A2G and then G2G to Rye from there.  But i did pour a load of millet into the grills of my flow hood and that was a proper job.




True, the extra inoculation points make up for its messiness. It seems a bit more forgiving with sterilisation as the grain size is smaller.
It is funny because even though I have a flowhood, I am not a big fan of g2g as there are lots of rooms for contams to enter (sterilie tek bla bla..). These days I prefer LC and bags, rather than expanding jars with g2g. I use jars to test clones and isolates from agar fruited in shoebox tubs and I use bags for mono.




Can you show me what you mean and how you do it?


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26356631 - 12/02/19 04:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone has their preferences i find g2g stupid easy with almost 0% contam rates. Shit my last ape grow i didnt even sterilize my grains just cooked for 2 hours in a pc with no weight 0 contams 5 flushes before i got bored and just buried it.


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    #26356687 - 12/02/19 05:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Everyone has their preferences i find g2g stupid easy with almost 0% contam rates. Shit my last ape grow i didnt even sterilize my grains just cooked for 2 hours in a pc with no weight 0 contams 5 flushes before i got bored and just buried it.




Me too, its hard to go wrong if you have a vigorous clone thats banging.  Its beats the fuk out of mold and bacteria in speed.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26356721 - 12/02/19 06:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but saying that gets us slated as idiots pffft noobs theyll learn that once your good your good and the shit you used to do becomes 2nd nature and steps are skipped because everything is already sterile and sweet.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26356736 - 12/02/19 06:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I am not saying that I had lots of contams doing it, but I found that contams can hide really really well. g2g is super easy, I agree, but the lid on the master jar stays open until the end of the g2g session which might be quite unfortunate if your hepa filter does not filter that 1 single spore. 
A few years ago, I had a few jars which I kept g2g'ing and all of them were nicely colonised, it had no funky smell when opened them, but had a trich outbreak on coir sub just before it was fully colonised.
This made me think I either introduced the contam while doing g2g, or my master jar had a hidden contam which I did not notice and I just kept expanding it.

At that time my floowhood was a bit fucked, had holes a few places in the filter because of moving house a few times, my jar filters were also questionable, and I was struggling with motivation after throwing out 20-30 triched tubs.  it's funny because I was doing g2g and monotubs for years with no problem and then I had a time when all of my tub had trich. I could not figure out the exact problem. It could be floowhood, jar filters, bad spawn, bad me...

Recently I have started fresh and replaced everything I could, built a new floowhood, replaced all the jar filters, bleached all the walls and floors, also bought a new PC.
I am now more motivated then ever and really paying attention to my culture stock and have rigorous standards.

My point is that g2g is a good method but you really have to select the best looking master jar and not just go with whatever you have. I think I just became over-paranoid because I just fucked up once and that biased me. :laugh:

Sorry the reply got pretty long, but feels good to let this out :laugh:


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26356738 - 12/02/19 06:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah but saying that gets us slated as idiots pffft noobs theyll learn that once your good your good and the shit you used to do becomes 2nd nature and steps are skipped because everything is already sterile and sweet.




Yeah im nore about trying to find good genetics to get that blanket first flush.

How many flushes do you go for when you have a good clone these days before its not worth it?


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
    #26358484 - 12/03/19 06:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone here tried for spawn to use WBS (Wild Bird Seed); I'm not entirely sure if the contents of this so called mix in North America are the same as in the UK? The grains are grains but I'm not sure if sunflower seeds with shells (that seem to be included in this WBS mix) carry any additional risks?

I've found this WBS for a very appealing price. I'm still waiting for my PC to arrive and Doves seen to be rather tardy sending their rye to me so I'm pretty far away from trying this but was still curious as the price difference is quite big.

How long does it usually take for Doves delivery if someone here has done it before?

Millet was mentioned as a good alternative to rye - especially for master jar as it seems to colonise faster due to smaller grain size but can also end up being a lot messier (and possibly holds extra water too much if not dried properly due to capillary action/water surface tension). The price seems to be only slightly cheaper than rye.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26358710 - 12/03/19 08:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Has anyone here tried for spawn to use WBS (Wild Bird Seed); I'm not entirely sure if the contents of this so called mix in North America are the same as in the UK? The grains are grains but I'm not sure if sunflower seeds with shells (that seem to be included in this WBS mix) carry any additional risks?

I've found this WBS for a very appealing price. I'm still waiting for my PC to arrive and Doves seen to be rather tardy sending their rye to me so I'm pretty far away from trying this but was still curious as the price difference is quite big.

How long does it usually take for Doves delivery if someone here has done it before?

Millet was mentioned as a good alternative to rye - especially for master jar as it seems to colonise faster due to smaller grain size but can also end up being a lot messier (and possibly holds extra water too much if not dried properly due to capillary action/water surface tension). The price seems to be only slightly cheaper than rye.




You want this


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MALTBYS-STORES-1904-LTD-25kg-WHITE-MILLET-AVIARY-AND-WILD-BIRD-FOOD/153604494135

trust me, the extra bits like cracked corn, sunflower seeds are not your friend.  U can see contamination better with this....


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26358816 - 12/03/19 10:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Doves delivery is usually less than a week.


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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: eLeSDenes]
    #26358837 - 12/03/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you both for clarification.

So it seems that millet in the UK is known as WBS in the US... And WBS in the UK is not the same thing :laugh:


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    #26358848 - 12/03/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Thank you both for clarification.

So it seems that millet in the UK is known as WBS in the US... And WBS in the UK is not the same thing :laugh:




If take white millet and red millet, mix it with sunflower seeds cracked corn and suet you get wild bird seed.  You dont need sunflower seeds, cracked corn or suet as they mess things up :shrug:

In the link you posted you have oats, which can get bacterial very easily and all sorts of other bits.  Im  7 years growing mushrooms now and ive messed up so many times on so many things trust me ive done my 10000 hours.  Use rye grains or millet is my opinion on how to grow successfully in the beginning.  Ive only used millet for a couple of months but its as good as anything out there, very quick easy to see when you mess up.

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    #26358885 - 12/03/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone used this?


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