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OfflineNetDiver
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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529093 - 05/29/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The fact that they were in violation of the law still does not justify physical violence for a nonviolent crime. It's incompetence, pure and simple. They didn't even bother to say what laws the people would be charged with. It's pathetic. :shrug:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529094 - 05/29/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:dance ins are the latest craze, when a dozen or so people strut into places
and start dancing it's a good indicator that you have one happening in your
midst, just because you didt see what happened before the cop walked over
doesnt mean they werent already becoming obnoxious

it's not like these jackasses are completely unknown either

http://www.pcworld.com/article/228918/dancing_in_apple_retail_stores_this_time_in_protest.html

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2401484

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110318/tr_ac/8091022_liberal_groups_protest_at_ohio_restaurant_leaves_patrons_confused

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20668.htm




I don't dispute they could have been but we can't know either way. Say I went to a memorial with my gf and we started slow dancing, and we do nothing obnoxious- nothing could be done wrong or right?

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14529107 - 05/29/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
The fact that they were in violation of the law still does not justify physical violence for a nonviolent crime. It's incompetence, pure and simple. They didn't even bother to say what laws the people would be charged with. It's pathetic. :shrug:





I guess you're unaware that the court has ruled on what resisting arrest is,
non compliance qualifies, dont comply with the orders given and the risk of
violence becomes real, so why were a couple taken down hard, non compliance

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529112 - 05/29/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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no, they were given a warning and they resisted, resist and you get body
slammed,
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Awesome!!!!! :rolleyes: Do what I say or I'll inflict violence upon you.  Thats a great lesson. Yay cops.

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14529115 - 05/29/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
I don't dispute they could have been but we can't know either way. Say I went to a memorial with my gf and we started slow dancing, and we do nothing obnoxious- nothing could be done wrong or right?




you're there at will, you can be asked to leave, subject to arrest or what
ever, no different than anywhere else you go, it can be just you and your
girl with no other motive other than the mood struck you

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14529122 - 05/29/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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thelivingfreekshow said:
Quote:



no, they were given a warning and they resisted, resist and you get body
slammed,





Awesome!!!!! :rolleyes: Do what I say or I'll inflict violence upon you.  Thats a great lesson. Yay cops.




welcome to the real world

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: unam sanctum] * 1
    #14529134 - 05/29/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



:ahahaha:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14529149 - 05/29/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
They didn't even bother to say what laws the people would be charged with. It's pathetic. :shrug:



Unfortunately this doesn't matter. They broke the law, and you are supposed to know the law.

Ignorance was never a justification for breaking the law.:shrug:


Not that I support what the cops did, but yea, they really don't fuck around in D.C.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: willowmp] * 2
    #14529164 - 05/29/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck the law.

"I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

-Robert A. Heinlein


:awesomenod:


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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529177 - 05/29/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529185 - 05/29/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
dont comply with the orders given and the risk of
violence becomes real



See, this is the part that I don't think really follows. The risk for violence becomes real only if one party initiates it, which, in this case, was the police.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14529207 - 05/29/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Samurai Drifter said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
dont comply with the orders given and the risk of
violence becomes real



See, this is the part that I don't think really follows. The risk for violence becomes real only if one party initiates it, which, in this case, was the police.





right, it was the cops in this case as you see it, what I saw was someone
that was willfully resisting and refusing to comply with instruction given
by the cop, generally when someone does that their next step is to become
more aggressive towards the cop, typically the cop wants to head that off
before it gets to that point, cops arent mind readers, they dot know if
the guy is going to take a swing or not and the courts back the
'initiation of violence' because the safety of the officer and the other
people in attendance is more important than the safety of an unlawful
protester


if you're in my home or place of business and creating a disturbance
I'll tell you you to stop, if you dont, I'll forcibly eject you. it's
no different than what the cops did

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14529211 - 05/29/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
Where is the line for what is acceptable or not?





it's not just subject to park regulations but also city, county, state and
federal laws so the line as to what's acceptable is what ever any applicable
law says

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #14529288 - 05/29/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Only a troll or a complete dolt could actually defend what happened in this video.

" It's the law " is akin to saying " God did it "

I wouldn't expect to see such bigotry on this forum. Sad stuff.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Racinette]
    #14529299 - 05/29/11 03:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Racinette said:
Only a troll or a complete dolt could actually defend what happened in this video.

" It's the law " is akin to saying " God did it "

I wouldn't expect to see such bigotry on this forum. Sad stuff.




Get used to it homie.

Lot of shitheads here; like everywhere.

Lot of cool folks too though


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529487 - 05/29/11 05:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
right, it was the cops in this case as you see it, what I saw was someone
that was willfully resisting and refusing to comply with instruction given
by the cop, generally when someone does that their next step is to become
more aggressive towards the cop, typically the cop wants to head that off
before it gets to that point, cops arent mind readers, they dot know if
the guy is going to take a swing or not and the courts back the
'initiation of violence' because the safety of the officer and the other
people in attendance is more important than the safety of an unlawful
protester






I am 100% in agreement with Pris#1.  You guys are crazy.  I didnt even watch the video.  I've seen videos like this posted on the shroomery for years.  They always go the SAME WAY.

1) Citizen is in XYZ place.
2) Citizen encounters police officer
3) Police officer gives order
4) Citizen ignores it
5) Cop follows procedure - often more intensely than is necessitated
6) Shroomery members pounce on the cop for #5 and completely forget #3 occurred.



Rediculous!  Do what the police tell you to do.  YOu will not be fucked with.  Literally.

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: memes]
    #14529636 - 05/29/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I somewhat agree.  My very few encounters with the police during traffic stops and getting kicked out of skate spots have all been relatively painless because I have tried to be as courteous as possible and do try to carry out the police's orders as long its not asking to much.  If i just get to a sick spot to skate 2 hours away but only had 10 minutes to ride it before being kicked out, thats just how it goes and there no point in fighting it.

However, lets say I was asked to step out of my vehicle during a traffic spot because they wanted to search my car.  I never drive with anything illegal on me, so therefore I would feel such a search would fringe upon the 4th amendment  since I would know personally that the search would not turn up anything.  I could easily foresee an officers getting pissed about a refusal, but i mean really, who want to waste a half an hour so a pig can tear through your own car and belongings?

  what i'm getting at is: where do you draw the line in letting police walk all over you?  cops shouldnt be such conniving pricks where it seems like the way they operate results in people being arrested who have no business being in jail. the police could do a lot on their own part to alleviate the situation...like perhaps better explain the law, even if its not required, so that people do not get arrested.  people getting arrested is a bad thing in a situation like this so both parties should put effort in so it doesnt happen.

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: memes]
    #14529906 - 05/29/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

meams said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
right, it was the cops in this case as you see it, what I saw was someone
that was willfully resisting and refusing to comply with instruction given
by the cop, generally when someone does that their next step is to become
more aggressive towards the cop, typically the cop wants to head that off
before it gets to that point, cops arent mind readers, they dot know if
the guy is going to take a swing or not and the courts back the
'initiation of violence' because the safety of the officer and the other
people in attendance is more important than the safety of an unlawful
protester






I am 100% in agreement with Pris#1.  You guys are crazy.  I didnt even watch the video.  I've seen videos like this posted on the shroomery for years.  They always go the SAME WAY.

1) Citizen is in XYZ place.
2) Citizen encounters police officer
3) Police officer gives order
4) Citizen ignores it
5) Cop follows procedure - often more intensely than is necessitated
6) Shroomery members pounce on the cop for #5 and completely forget #3 occurred.



Rediculous!  Do what the police tell you to do.  YOu will not be fucked with.  Literally.




I get where you're coming from here.  I'm most bothered by the fact that things that police tell people to do or not do seem to keep getting more ridiculous.  That comes from legislators, of course, not the officers themselves.  This situation is over the top, but I try to keep in mind a few things:

  • This sort of power comes from the laws, the laws are what need to go.
  • Police are just people at work.  They'd rather be at home drinking a beer than beating people up.
  • Many cops would risk their lives to save yours or mine.


If it were me I'd probably start by saying, "we intend to be demonstrate peacefully.  If you must arrest us, no force will be necessary, but we feel that disobeying these regulations is the best way to draw attention to them."  Then begin dancing and do not resist when they slap the cuffs on.  I think that this would make the point without getting bodyslammed.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Humility]
    #14530060 - 05/29/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Humility said:
Quote:

Racinette said:
Only a troll or a complete dolt could actually defend what happened in this video.

" It's the law " is akin to saying " God did it "

I wouldn't expect to see such bigotry on this forum. Sad stuff.




Get used to it homie.

Lot of shitheads here; like everywhere.

Lot of cool folks too though




You guys are cool.  I wasn't trying to defend the idiots in the video.  I was trying to investigate the title of the thread. The were protesting I get that, but say you were there to pay respects and not disrupt anyone, and you get the urge to dance.  Why would that be wrong?  Why does a memorial have to be somber?  A lot of cultures remember their lost ones with joy instead of tears, why the fuck should anyone be able to tell me how to mourn?

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: unam sanctum] * 3
    #14530092 - 05/29/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Rediculous!  Do what the police tell you to do.  YOu will not be fucked with.  Literally.





Yeah because I was born to follow another man's orders.





You're talking about someone getting arrested for dancing at the site of a memorial of some people who fought their entire lives for the "preservation of freedom".

It's the unraveling of freedom and liberty, and all you folks know is that if a "cop" orders you to do something "you better do it".




Means: true story bro - When you're hanging out with your friends do you all actually utter phrases like "Do what the police tell you to do and you won't be fucked with!!!!"????


Because *that* is what sounds ridiculous.  You sound like a traumatized victim of some tyrannical shithole.



Meams, what do you do when the police "order" you to do something that you perceive or reason is "wrong"?  What do you do then?


Do you "follow orders" or do you act according to your own will?


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