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OfflineGuruBushHippie
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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14538015 - 05/30/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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and it's exactly that attitude that makes voting worthless

at least for you

it's done wonders in my lifetime



Times change friend.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Kada]
    #14538186 - 05/30/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well they obviously give those cops the important jobs.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14538198 - 05/30/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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GuruBushHippie said:
it's about my right to dance where i damn well please.




you're saying your rights supersede everyone else's rights?


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the U.S. dosen't own that shit, nobody owns anything




I see... so prove to me that I dont own anything


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14538241 - 05/30/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

People need to clarify what they're saying as the title and vid represent two separate ideas.  I still fail to see how dancing in itself, not protesting, is encroaching on anyone elses rights or even good times.  I see non violent/threatening body movements as free speech.  Not saying that there isn't a law against it, but until someone finds that law and posts it (I can't find it) we won't know.  Also doesn't a police officer have to tell you what you're being charged with?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14538245 - 05/30/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have no idea what they were doing before the video started, but to me it looked like a pretty benign "protest". They didn't seem to be loud or dancing in a way that i think would alarm anybody or infringe on their personal space...would they have bodyslammed a person that was nodding to their head to some music on their headphones? how is a minimal amount of rhythmic movement a threat to anybody?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14538254 - 05/30/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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GuruBushHippie said:
it's about my right to dance where i damn well please.




you're saying your rights supersede everyone else's rights?


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the U.S. dosen't own that shit, nobody owns anything




I see... so prove to me that I dont own anything



1) No, but as long as i'm not endangering anybody (physically or mentally) by my dancing then there is absolutely no reason i shouldn't be able to do it. 2) I apologize, I should have clarified. I meant land ownership. no one owns any piece of earth. The house and other meaningless material things upon the land, yeah. The land itself, no.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14538277 - 05/30/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's not a matter of threatening or laws or anything.

It's a matter of the cop keeping authority.

It's how government works, they need thugs who won't hesitate to get violent on hippies in order to defend their throne.


it's about the cops maintaining full authority and you none.  If the cops don't maintain authority by any means violent or not, then they aren;t doing thier job.

Their job is to be more violent and deadly than you in order to scare you into obedience.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14538279 - 05/30/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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GuruBushHippie said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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GuruBushHippie said:
it's about my right to dance where i damn well please.




you're saying your rights supersede everyone else's rights?


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the U.S. dosen't own that shit, nobody owns anything




I see... so prove to me that I dont own anything



1) No, but as long as i'm not endangering anybody (physically or mentally) by my dancing then there is absolutely no reason i shouldn't be able to do it. 2) I apologize, I should have clarified. I meant land ownership. no one owns any piece of earth. The house and other meaningless material things upon the land, yeah. The land itself, no.




no concept of land ownership you say?
:plot:
I've got some nice shiny beads for ya if I can move into yer place 

honestly though, I totally agree with you in principle but legally you can own land. of course, with eminent domain the government can take that land away from you whenever they want, but you know what I'm gettin at.


Edited by Pigasus (05/30/11 10:19 PM)


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Pigasus]
    #14538311 - 05/30/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Pigasus said:
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GuruBushHippie said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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GuruBushHippie said:
it's about my right to dance where i damn well please.




you're saying your rights supersede everyone else's rights?


Quote:

the U.S. dosen't own that shit, nobody owns anything




I see... so prove to me that I dont own anything



1) No, but as long as i'm not endangering anybody (physically or mentally) by my dancing then there is absolutely no reason i shouldn't be able to do it. 2) I apologize, I should have clarified. I meant land ownership. no one owns any piece of earth. The house and other meaningless material things upon the land, yeah. The land itself, no.




no concept of land ownership you say?
:plot:
I've got some nice shiny beads for ya if I can move into yer place 

honestly though, I totally agree with you in principle but legally you can own land. of course, with eminent domain the government can take that land away from you whenever they want, but you know what I'm gettin at.



You technically don't have to ask or give up your precious metals. There's 3 of us living here already though, so we may forceably remove you. No offense, just no space either. Not to mention it's a piece of land shared by hundreds of others. apartments blow, stay where you are.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14538356 - 05/30/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
People need to clarify what they're saying as the title and vid represent two separate ideas. 




that's the thing, they use hyperbole to try and draw in supporters, they
try and point out how brutal the cops were and exaggerate the whole thing
claiming something that is simply isnt... without this steamy pile of 
crap they couldnt vilify the cops and the system that's worked well for
200 years


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I still fail to see how dancing in itself, not protesting, is encroaching on anyone elses rights or even good times.  I see non violent/threatening body movements as free speech.




it's a flash mob, there were dozens of 'activists' according to the
dumbass that started it, 5 or 6 people and I could see it going unnoticed
for the most part but there were at least that many with cameras and it
seems that all those activists that showed up quickly bowed out when the
cuffs were being put on the organizers.... see, it's about publicity, not
rights, these people could give a fuck about exercising their rights, what
the give a shit about is having their  face all over the intenet and
crying about how they were victimized... they are the true face of propaganda


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  Also doesn't a police officer have to tell you what you're being charged with?




nope, it'll be on the paperwork and the warrant


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Pigasus]
    #14538362 - 05/30/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Pigasus said:
I have no idea what they were doing before the video started, but to me it looked like a pretty benign "protest".





they didnt have the 'right' to protest inside the building, they could have
staged their protest outside if they had the proper permits but no one has
the right to protest in the building without permission


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14538371 - 05/30/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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1) No, but as long as i'm not endangering anybody (physically or mentally) by my dancing then there is absolutely no reason i shouldn't be able to do it.





obfuscation.

this was a protest not the junior prom

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2) I apologize, I should have clarified. I meant land ownership. no one owns any piece of earth. The house and other meaningless material things upon the land, yeah. The land itself, no.




really, I have a deed that says otherwise

tell me how I dont own my land


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14538460 - 05/30/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Eminent Domain.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14538463 - 05/30/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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GuruBushHippie said:
1) No, but as long as i'm not endangering anybody (physically or mentally) by my dancing then there is absolutely no reason i shouldn't be able to do it.





obfuscation.

this was a protest not the junior prom

Quote:

2) I apologize, I should have clarified. I meant land ownership. no one owns any piece of earth. The house and other meaningless material things upon the land, yeah. The land itself, no.




really, I have a deed that says otherwise

tell me how I dont own my land



I know it was a protest, no need to be a smartass. you know what i'm getting at, i should be able to do as i please as long as it doesn't harm anyone. Dance, protest, mime, whatever. Secondly, you have a mere piece of paper that someone gave you after they suckered you into buying something that they didn't ever own either; the same way they sucker us all in to buying property. people have just found ways to better themselves by exploiting the necessity of shelter. i have piece of paper saying i completed studies in sociology at a university but it doesn't mean a goddamn thing, only that i wasted time and money (that i still owe) to get a title that i never wanted, but is necessary to make it in this society.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14538497 - 05/30/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

they should be allowed to protest there more often.

after all it was jefferson's favored passage of the declaration. ironically it was left out of the memorial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_revolution


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14539153 - 05/31/11 03:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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PhantomPower said:
  Parts of your posts are clearly a level headed acceptance of reality.  But do restrictive laws against being annoying (basically) bother you?  Just a little?





do the rights of one outweigh the rights of many?




I don't think that "not being annoyed" is any sort of right at all.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: PhantomPower]
    #14539593 - 05/31/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i don't see what's so hard to understand. cops told them to stop and if they don't they will be arrested. they kept dancing and the cops kept telling them to stop giving them a couple of other warnings. they kept dancing and got arrested and then bitched about it. when the cops tell you to stop or leave, do so, and be happy they atleast gave you a warning and didnt arrest you immediately. thats just how it is and i know this from first hand experience. i dont like cops either but thats just the reality of it


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: PhantomPower]
    #14539663 - 05/31/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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rights of one outweigh the rights of many?




I don't think that "not being annoyed" is any sort of right at all.



So my band can come play a show at your neighbors house outside until 4am?  Becuase noise ordinances are put into place for the same reason as anti-protest laws:  if you want to be annoying, sign up for a permit so people can make themselves aware of your pending annoyance and leave if they so choose.

No permit = no protest = no dancing = no legal ignoring cops = arrest = this thread is dumb = pris is smart


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14539699 - 05/31/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Eminent Domain.





first they make you an offer, then they make another offer, typically these
offers are well above market value to help you cover replacemnt and
relocation costs and then if you're still unwilling to sell and they
absolutely have to put the road through, they use eminent domain

explain to me how I dont own my land


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: PhantomPower]
    #14539704 - 05/31/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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PhantomPower said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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PhantomPower said:
  Parts of your posts are clearly a level headed acceptance of reality.  But do restrictive laws against being annoying (basically) bother you?  Just a little?





do the rights of one outweigh the rights of many?




I don't think that "not being annoyed" is any sort of right at all.





dancing and protesting arent rights if you get right down to it


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