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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14534696 - 05/30/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
I mean anyone intelligent keeps the low profile, and those who don't only embarrass themselves/ get arrested.




replace the words "anyone intelligent keeps" with
"scared little cowards keep" and replace " embarrass themselves/get arreseted" with "loves freedom/ and are oppressed"
and I'll agree.

Doesnt matter the degree of oppression, give them an inch, they take your freedoms.




I have my freedoms and I have earned the respect of both the people in my
community and the local constabulary, why you may ask... because I dont
treat cops like criminals or the boogey man, I show the common courtesy to
my fellow man to no pose a problem in public

here's the rundown of the video

guys come in to protest where prohibited, cop gives them warning as to
what will happen if they start, they ignore the warning from the cops and
proceede to continue with their retarded protest and cause a disturbance
which ultimately leads to everyone being booted from the jefferson memorial

so let me ask, how did these dumbass dancing protesters respect the people
around them, their actions were oppressive in that it prevented the
legitimate visitors from enjoying the sights they came to see in the
nations capitol, the cop gave the stupid liberal bastards and it stripped
the freedom from the actual tourists visit the monument on the schedule
they'd chosen, fuck those freedom trampling protesters


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14534800 - 05/30/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Micawber said:
protesters---knew what they were doing
            if i punch a dog im not going to blame it for biting me


police------took it too far,treating the fools like they posed a threat





so why are you blaming the dog for biting the idiots that punched it?



they were both equal elements to create a volatile situation?

for a fire-is the spark any more important than the fuel?
i think they share the same significance

again im just not seeing this as a there right there wrong thing

take away the name cop and the uniform and their just assholes

take away the knowledge of there cause and the dancers are just assholes

it boils down to the actions of men
and i think both parties actions were flawed


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Micawber] * 1
    #14534810 - 05/30/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

cool that u can debate this long pris

stamina ftw


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Micawber]
    #14534873 - 05/30/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Micawber said:
for a fire-is the spark any more important than the fuel?
i think they share the same significance




I think you need to know the fuel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoignition_temperature


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take away the name cop and the uniform and their just assholes
take away the knowledge of there cause and the dancers are just assholes





with or without their cause they were just assholes, they chose a 'cause',
the entered with the intent to cause a disruption, thus the reason for a
dozen cameras, they were trying to illicit a response and they got the
response they wanted. they went in with the intention to cause a scene and
they achieved their goal so why is anyone bitching, these protesters got
exactly what they wanted, their 15 minutes of fame


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14534923 - 05/30/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Prisoner1, do you like Thomas Jefferson? Do you like freedom?

According to Jefferson these dancers were right...
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson


You shouldn't give a fuck what the law is when it violates your goddamn constitutional mutherfuckin rights. I know you love a police state prisoner1 but dont say these dancers were wrong for what they did. yes they broke the law, but the law was unjust.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14534932 - 05/30/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Led Zeppelin said:
Hey Prisoner1, do you like Thomas Jefferson? Do you like freedom?

According to Jefferson these dancers were right...
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson





as I asked earlier

what law was unjust?


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You shouldn't give a fuck what the law is when it violates your goddamn constitutional mutherfuckin rights.




what constitutional right is there that says you can dance in protest inside the jefferson memorial?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14535262 - 05/30/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Led Zeppelin said:
yes they broke the law, but the law was unjust.



Now, if you want to be a real debater,  you would (a) state teh law that was broken, and (b) explain why it is unjust.

Thats what people do when they debate.  They state their opinion, provide evidence to back it, and wait for a retort.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #14535342 - 05/30/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

1. Dancing is not protesting.
2. There's no law against dancing inside memorials in DC (Or there didn't used to be..)
3. When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14535381 - 05/30/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14535908 - 05/30/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder what they would do if an obvious cross-dresser walked up and just started silently ogling Jefferson's crotch.

or someone in a burka softly ticking.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14536482 - 05/30/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Flash Mob @ jefferson Memorial July 4th at 2pm.:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14536499 - 05/30/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Micawber said:
for a fire-is the spark any more important than the fuel?
i think they share the same significance




I think you need to know the fuel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoignition_temperature


Quote:

take away the name cop and the uniform and their just assholes
take away the knowledge of there cause and the dancers are just assholes





with or without their cause they were just assholes, they chose a 'cause',
the entered with the intent to cause a disruption, thus the reason for a
dozen cameras, they were trying to illicit a response and they got the
response they wanted. they went in with the intention to cause a scene and
they achieved their goal so why is anyone bitching, these protesters got
exactly what they wanted, their 15 minutes of fame




They did indeed get what they wanted.  And they were too antagonistic, I'll grant that.  I have a lot of respect for civil disobedience.  Especially when it's dignified, which this was not. 

One thing I have a hard time telling, though.  Parts of your posts are clearly a level headed acceptance of reality.  But do restrictive laws against being annoying (basically) bother you?  Just a little?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14536567 - 05/30/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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1. Dancing is not protesting.
2. There's no law against dancing inside memorials in DC (Or there didn't used to be..)




Dancing is protesting when your dancing has a distinct purpose to draw attention to a individual, an institution, or a policy.

Lots of cameras watching me dance for a purpose?  Sounds like protesting.  Ignoring police while I do this particular "focus-driven-dancing"?  Definitely sounds like protesting.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14536709 - 05/30/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Led Zeppelin said:
Hey Prisoner1, do you like Thomas Jefferson? Do you like freedom?

According to Jefferson these dancers were right...
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson





as I asked earlier

what law was unjust?


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You shouldn't give a fuck what the law is when it violates your goddamn constitutional mutherfuckin rights.




what constitutional right is there that says you can dance in protest inside the jefferson memorial?




WHAT LAW WAS UNJUST?!?!?!? ummmm idk maybe the one that violates our first ammendment rights saying that you cant dance at a fucking memorial??


are you really that dumb? you know this is a first ammendment issue.
this is how the police state starts! are we really letting them tell us we cant dance in a PUBLIC place???

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14536903 - 05/30/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
1. Dancing is not protesting.




bullshit, by their own admission prior to the fact they were seeking
people to come down and protest the court ruling from the 2008 arrest of
several protesters that used dance as their form of protest, hence the
reason for the law/protest


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2. There's no law against dancing inside memorials in DC (Or there didn't used to be..)




there are numerous laws about disturbing the peace


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3. When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.




I read lots of words but you've really said nothing, get into politics

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.




and you contend that it is the right of protesters to deny me the ability
to exercise my rights, since when did the protesters become more equal
than all other men?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: PhantomPower]
    #14536926 - 05/30/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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PhantomPower said:
  Parts of your posts are clearly a level headed acceptance of reality.  But do restrictive laws against being annoying (basically) bother you?  Just a little?





do the rights of one outweigh the rights of many?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14536940 - 05/30/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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WHAT LAW WAS UNJUST?!?!?!? ummmm idk maybe the one that violates our first ammendment rights saying that you cant dance at a fucking memorial??





and where is dancing mentioned in the constitution?


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are you really that dumb? you know this is a first ammendment issue.
this is how the police state starts! are we really letting them tell us we cant dance in a PUBLIC place???





the issue isnt the dancing, it's the protest, you refuse to see that fact and
wish to obfuscate the discussion by claiming this is about dancing


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14537884 - 05/30/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yeah so i was informed late and somebody closed my post on this. anyhow, i think it's totally fucked up, and to whoever said shit wont change until people vote; that's bullshit. voting isnt worth a goddamn, and (as many have said) if it made any difference it wouldn't be allowed. fuck pigs and fuck the republic of america.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14537950 - 05/30/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

and it's exactly that attitude that makes voting worthless

at least for you

it's done wonders in my lifetime


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14538009 - 05/30/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

and another thing, if Jefferson was there he would have raged out too. it's not about obeying a cop or not abeying a cop. it's about my right to dance where i damn well please. the U.S. dosen't own that shit, nobody owns anything. Thus, if i wanna dance i'll fucking dance, and i'd gladly take a bullet to the temple doing it if that's what it takes.


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