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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14560742 - 06/04/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Hmmm. Last I checked my living room was my private property not public property. I don't believe the taxpayers foot the bill to put up my living room.




so protesting in the oval office is more reasonable since everything about
the whitehouse is publicly funded right down to Obamas underwear




In my country I believe you are legally allowed to protest in any publicly funded government office. In fact in the past few years there have been many sit-in protests at government offices.

So yes.

I don't know how your shitty country works.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Heffy]
    #14560764 - 06/04/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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In my country I believe you are legally allowed to protest in any publicly funded government office. In fact in the past few years there have been many sit-in protests at government offices.





so which country would that be

in the US, even political officials are arrested for staging protests inside government buildings

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/dc-mayor-vincent-gray-released-after-sit-in-protest-arrest-041211


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14560777 - 06/04/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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the law could give two shits about how you feel about it





That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.


Anyways do you think this time they got their permit and were
allowed to "protest".





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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14560783 - 06/04/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

poor jefferson.  a bunch of baffoons making a circus of his monument :wink:

i  know a lot of you will get upset over that.  you're allowed to :wink:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: memes]
    #14560797 - 06/04/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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poor jefferson.  a bunch of baffoons making a circus of his monument :wink:

i  know a lot of you will get upset over that.  you're allowed to :wink:





Just because they didnt get Taylor Swift to perform does not make them buffoons :cool:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14560816 - 06/04/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well, since the people in the original video were protesting specifically against a ban on dancing in memorials, they had to have expected to be arrested. that's just a part of civil disobedience. thoreau did it, gandhi did it, MLK did it. that doesn't make it right for the government to arrest these people, but if you're going to protest unjust laws by breaking them the reality is they're gonna arrest you and put you in jail for it. and hopefully the absurdity of such a thing happening will bring attention to it and spark some change.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14560850 - 06/04/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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poor jefferson.  a bunch of baffoons making a circus of his monument :wink:

i  know a lot of you will get upset over that.  you're allowed to :wink:





Just because they didnt get Taylor Swift to perform does not make them buffoons :cool:



nono, had they gotten taylor swift they would've been baboons!


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14560879 - 06/04/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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the law could give two shits about how you feel about it



That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.





yeah, it does actually

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Look I get it. But in this case of this dancing bulllshit I think its
ridiculous :shrug:





I dont think you do, this wasnt a senior prom, it was a protest





I know what it was. It doesnt change the fact that I do not agree with the law in
this case.




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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14560889 - 06/04/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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the law could give two shits about how you feel about it






Anyways do you think this time they got their permit and were
allowed to "protest".








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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14560895 - 06/04/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

let's see, arrested for protesting without a permit then returns and the protest is allowed, what would you think


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Pigasus]
    #14563374 - 06/05/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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well, since the people in the original video were protesting specifically against a ban on dancing in memorials, they had to have expected to be arrested. that's just a part of civil disobedience. thoreau did it, gandhi did it, MLK did it. that doesn't make it right for the government to arrest these people, but if you're going to protest unjust laws by breaking them the reality is they're gonna arrest you and put you in jail for it. and hopefully the absurdity of such a thing happening will bring attention to it and spark some change.




Probably the best post in this thread.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14563433 - 06/05/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Immature, disrespectful, defiant, assholes: I'm not going to argue with any of that.  I don't think any of those things warrant arrest.




you have the right to be any of those things in the privacy of your own home
yet you're demanding the disrespectful should be respected when doing such in
public areas when in violation of the law. it's not just the attitudes of
these people that resulted in their arrest but also their actions, inactions
and the location they chose to display their attitudes




I'm not saying anybody needs to be respected.  It comes down to when I consider force ethically valid.  The unfortunate thing here is that since the memorial is jointly owned (or at least paid for) by everybody, I can't really see who would have the legitimate authority to say nonviolent people can't protest/dance/loudly snap gum or whatever without a permit.

By "legitimate authority" I mean somebody who can say, "I'm the owner of this memorial.  If you protest, you'll have to leave."  At that point, you're dealing with trespassing and if it's a protest or not doesn't factor into it. 

And don't worry, I'm well aware that this is all head up my own ass theoretical stuff.  I'm talking about how I'd prefer things, not how things are.  I'm the last person to antagonize police.  They respond a lot better to friendliness.  Never been tackled, choked, body slammed or arrested.  Worst I've ever got was "I'm sorry, bud, I have to lay a charge here."


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: PhantomPower]
    #14563945 - 06/05/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I'm not reading threw 16 pages of threads but what happened to these people?  Did they spend the weekend in jail?  And did the charges get dropped??


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: treewood69]
    #14564001 - 06/05/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

charges still stand and it was about 4 hours in jail, now they'll have a $100 fine if they lose their case


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14564032 - 06/05/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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the law could give two shits about how you feel about it





That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.


Anyways do you think this time they got their permit and were
allowed to "protest".







i bet that judge who banned dancing feels really  small right now :duckhunt:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Coaster]
    #14564045 - 06/05/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

coastie, there was no judge that banned dancing


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14564051 - 06/05/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

then what does John Bates have to say about this?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Coaster]
    #14564052 - 06/05/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

U.S. District Judge John Bates


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14564055 - 06/05/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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In a 26-page opinion, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled that "expressive dancing" does constitute an act that undermines "an atmosphere of calm, tranquility, and reverence" at the memorial.

"A prohibition on expressive activities in a nonpublic forum does not violate the First Amendment if it is viewpoint neutral and is 'reasonable in light of the use to which the forum is dedicated,'" Bates wrote. "Here, the ban on demonstrations at the Jefferson Memorial satisfies these requirements."




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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14564068 - 06/05/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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In a 26-page opinion, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled that "expressive dancing" does constitute an act that undermines "an atmosphere of calm, tranquility, and reverence" at the memorial.

"A prohibition on expressive activities in a nonpublic forum does not violate the First Amendment if it is viewpoint neutral and is 'reasonable in light of the use to which the forum is dedicated,'" Bates wrote. "Here, the ban on demonstrations at the Jefferson Memorial satisfies these requirements."








it says he didnt ban dancing


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