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SirTripAlot
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Some refreshing advice needed
#14528004 - 05/28/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, its been sometime.......looking for the ever so prevalent knowledge of the community here:
1. 3lbs rye/colonized
2. Spawning to poo (pasteurized of course)
3. Thinking of a monotub. If memory serves me right, there will be enough heat generated, that it will produce its own humidity...meaning that as long as there are holes with polyfill (by substrate level...and some near the top of the tub) FAE takes place. In other words....."set it and forget it".....no misting.... nothing
4. Casing layer will be 50 coir/50 verm. When this is pasteurized...does one need to mix the two with distilled water to meet field capacity, before pasteurization or after?
..........any comments, critiques, suggestions would be much appreciated....things to focus on...etc.
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14528026 - 05/28/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont case your tubs (imo) misting and fanning will still prly be necessary
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Casing with 50/50 coir/verm is ok, but I;d mix it in the substrate too.
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Yes casing bulk tubs is unnecessary and only adds to time. Most important thing is to cut holes 1" above the substrate right for FAE. Some say cut (6) 1" holes stuffed with polyfill, others just drill 1/4" holes spaced 2" apart all over tub starting 1" above substrate level. Yes you will have to mist as necessary on sub and interior of tub and fan air out. If you do the 1/4" holes method you pretty much never open it until it looks like it needs a misting.
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SirTripAlot
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14528064 - 05/28/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: Doc_T]
#14528079 - 05/28/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mmmm...not just on the top...but thoughout the entire casing?
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14528098 - 05/28/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Think of coir/verm as "self-casing". The top layer of bulk material (unspawned, no grains) becomes the fruiting surface for the tub. It's not a separate casing layer but does the same thing.
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14528099 - 05/28/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Casing has no nutrition for mushrooms and it adds nothing to yield. Using it on bulk doesn't increase yield. It should only be used to case grain and brf cakes.
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Quote:
Buckeye Oysters said: Casing has no nutrition for mushrooms and it adds nothing to yield. Using it on bulk doesn't increase yield. It should only be used to case grain and brf cakes.
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SirTripAlot
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4355776#4355776
thought it was a pinning trigger (to case the top of the spawned hpoo)...
Thanks for all of the insights so far!!!!!!
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14529878 - 05/29/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bump
So I am told not to case a hpoo casing...looks like from older posts....cultivators do
My question about if a monotub needs to be misted has the same discrepancy...so what gives?
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14529909 - 05/29/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you mix your spawn to the horse manure say 25% verm/75% horse manure(or any additives you want to use ie:gypsum,coffee)you add a layer of just horse manure/verm and that is essentially the casing layer in a mono
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14529925 - 05/29/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
SirTripAlot said:
So I am told not to case a hpoo casing...looks like from older posts....cultivators do
Older posts are valid, but there's new information. Five years is a long time on the internet, we've learned better and more effective ways to do things. A hybrid MSG tub with coir/verm (for example) will give good consistent yields with little fuss or work.
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Re: Some refreshing advice needed [Re: Doc_T]
#14529955 - 05/29/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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indeed i have been out of the game for sometime....i will referance your hybrid MSG tub....
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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