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OfflineJonnyLongboard
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FILTER DISC QUANDRY
    #14505788 - 05/24/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I recently made a bunch of lids using vacutainer injection ports and synthetic filter discs rtv'd over a half inch hole. Is this enough GE.  I ask because since I started using these lids I have went through 4 syringes (from 2 different vendors) and have got absolutely zero growth.  Im prepping my grain exactly how Ive done in the past and my grain prep is damn good nowadays.  I even got growth the first time I did grain and it was super wet.  Yea it took a long time but it still grew.  But im getting zero growth at all.  And some of the jars have been going close to two months.  I really frustrated because my grain prep is solid and these type of lids have been used by countless people.  But I dont know what else it can be.  I thought it was the syringes initially but I got syringes from another vendor and still nothing.  I dont get.  Its blowing my fucking mind.  Someone save me.


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDRY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14506035 - 05/24/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I use lids with a paper punch sized hole with a piece of filter disc sealed over it. I've tried with two paper punch sized holes and I think it was to much GE because the grain dried out and wouldn't grow at the top, I may have had the wbs to dry to begin with though so it's hard to say. Just saying a paper punch sized hole worked for a long time so you should have plenty of GE.

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDRY [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14506296 - 05/24/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea your telling me what I already know but I justed wanted to hear someone else say it.  My lids are made to exact noobie lids tech spec's , so I know there fine but what the fuck else can it be.  If its not the lids then that leaves the grain itself or the syringes.  But like I said I used two different vendors.  Im also using the same and only grain that ive ever used.  My mind is blown.  Unless this grain is from a batch that had been treated with fungicides but I just dont know.  Thanks Broseph.


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDRY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14506498 - 05/24/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Use organic grains.  Spores won't germinate on fungicide treated grain, and much of it is treated to provide longer shelf life in damp barns.
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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDRY [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14506715 - 05/24/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Use organic grains.  Spores won't germinate on fungicide treated grain, and much of it is treated to provide longer shelf life in damp barns.
RR



Yes Ive heard you say that before and I agree with you wise sir.  The thing is, Ive used this exact grain with all my previous jars and they all grew. So do you think that this batch of grain was supplied to the distibutor (Crosby & Baker Ltd.) by a farm that used fungicide.  I buy this grain from my local home brew shop.  So you think that grain sold to be used in home brewing would have fungicide in it?  I was thinking about tryin some finch seed.  I definetly get some organic rye, because this is start to drive me crazy.  Ive done everthing right but im getting no results. 
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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14511417 - 05/25/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So your saying without a doubt that a multispore syringe cannot colonize grain that has been treated with a fungicide.  I respect what you say and will be live you.  I just want to know if that is exactly what your saying.  So that means that every single person on this forum that ever knocked up rye with spore syringes had to use organic grain or it would of failed.  And so when my organic grain gets here that its guaranteed to work.  I know there are no guarantees with anything but I know that my grain prep is good, my lids are good and all the syringes I have cant be bad so you think that will solve my problem.  I will be one very happy man.  Thanks


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14511616 - 05/25/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mushrooms are a fungus.  Bags of birdseed or rye that are treated with fungicides will say so on the package or the seller will know.

You don't have to have organic certified grains, the grains just can't be treated with fungicide.  Grains can still be feed with a chemical fertilizer (which in turn certifies the grain as "inorganic") and still be colonized by mushroom mycelium.

Edited by Doctor_Inoc (05/25/11 07:58 PM)

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14511918 - 05/25/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Mushrooms are a fungus.  Bags of birdseed or rye that are treated with fungicides will say so on the package or the seller will know.

You don't have to have organic certified grains, the grains just can't be treated with fungicide.




That is what I meant by the question.  So grains that have been treated by fungicide cannot be colonized period?  You said that grains that have been treated with fungicide will say so on the package.  But why would the grain industry be any different than everything else we eat.  What I mean is that pretty much all produce and veggies and just about everything you buy at the grocery store was treated with some type of fungicide and or other fucked up chemicals but it doesnt say on any package what chemicals it was treated with.  Why would the grain industry be any different?


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14512013 - 05/25/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So grains that have been treated by fungicide cannot be colonized period?



Correct.

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You said that grains that have been treated with fungicide will say so on the package.  But why would the grain industry be any different than everything else we eat.  What I mean is that pretty much all produce and veggies and just about everything you buy at the grocery store was treated with some type of fungicide and or other fucked up chemicals but it doesnt say on any package what chemicals it was treated with.  Why would the grain industry be any different?



I also said to ask the vendor of the grains if they have any knowledge of whether or not the grains they carry have been treated with fungicide or not.  If the vendor don't know, write down the brand name of the grain and email the company and simply ask if they specifically treat their brand of grain with fungicide.  Where there's a will, there's a way.

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14513808 - 05/26/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I  did try to call the grain supplier but there no one has been answering.


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14514026 - 05/26/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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...all the syringes I have cant be bad...




Why can't they? Buying syringes from 2 different vendors doesn't neccessarily mean it can't be the syringes. What vendors did you use?


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: FooMan]
    #14516479 - 05/26/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sporeworks was the first and I went thru 3 of there syringes.  The second was T.H.E. and I used one of there syringes.  The Hawks eye syringe was the most recent.  I know that they could all be bad, but I didnt think that would be very likely considering they are very reputable vendors.  And I have used T.H.E. syringes in the past with good results.


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14516516 - 05/26/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't have to have organic certified grains, the grains just can't be treated with fungicide.  Grains can still be feed with a chemical fertilizer (which in turn certifies the grain as "inorganic") and still be colonized by mushroom mycelium.




Yea if you knew that the grain was definitely not treated with a  fungicide then you could use a non-organic grain.  But why not just  use an organic brand, that way you would know for sure that the grain wasn't ever treated with any nasties.


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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14516651 - 05/26/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Because my rye vendor told me upon me asking them if the rye they sold was organic.

The best deal I can find on rye in my local area is fed with a chemical fertilizer but not treated with fungicides, therefore, um-certifiably organic.

I'm sure the reasons they go with a chemical fertilizer over an organic one's because chemical fertilizers are cheaper, more precise, and don't require licensing to administer.

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14525719 - 05/28/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Personally I've never used an organic grain it's certainly not necessary but I suggest trying multiple kinds of grain to see what works best for you and rule out the ones with fungicides. Organic rye is much more expensive then the $11.99 for a 40 pound bag of wbs I buy currently.

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14527706 - 05/28/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Personally I've never used an organic grain it's certainly not necessary but I suggest trying multiple kinds of grain to see what works best for you and rule out the ones with fungicides. Organic rye is much more expensive then the $11.99 for a 40 pound bag of wbs I buy currently.




But have you ever used a grain where absolutely nothing happened.  And it wasnt because you didnt know what you were doing.  Because I got results when I didnt know what I was doing using this same exact grain.  But know im getting nothing and I truly know what im doing.  This isnt rocket science it just takes a littler trial and error.  And I already did the trial and error part and got my prep down solid.  But now 0.


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Edited by JonnyLongboard (05/29/11 12:55 AM)

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14527863 - 05/28/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

fungicide won't wash off?

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14527885 - 05/28/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you have an agar wedge or LC, you can test the fungicide theory.  Fungicides won't impact live mycelium, but only stop spores from germinating.
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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14537588 - 05/30/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Personally I've never used an organic grain it's certainly not necessary but I suggest trying multiple kinds of grain to see what works best for you and rule out the ones with fungicides. Organic rye is much more expensive then the $11.99 for a 40 pound bag of wbs I buy currently.




But have you ever used a grain where absolutely nothing happened.  And it wasnt because you didnt know what you were doing.  Because I got results when I didnt know what I was doing using this same exact grain.  But know im getting nothing and I truly know what im doing.  This isnt rocket science it just takes a littler trial and error.  And I already did the trial and error part and got my prep down solid.  But now 0.




Yes I have had grains that did absolutely nothing. Bought a bag of Petsmart wbs one time and was trying 3 different wbs's at the time all the other jars with other wbs worked but none of the Petsmart wbs.

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Re: FILTER DISC QUANDARY [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14537788 - 05/30/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Because my rye vendor told me upon me asking them if the rye they sold was organic.

The best deal I can find on rye in my local area is fed with a chemical fertilizer but not treated with fungicides, therefore, um-certifiably organic.

I'm sure the reasons they go with a chemical fertilizer over an organic one's because chemical fertilizers are cheaper, more precise, and don't require licensing to administer.




There's a hell of a lot more involved in organic certification than just staying away from chemical fertilizers, pesticides, etc.

I've never needed a license to mix compost and manure into the soil.  Go with organic everything whenever you have a chance.  Our planet will thank you, as will your body.  Oh, your mushrooms will thank you as well.
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