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Peruvian Pups Updated 5/17/14 * 1
    #14526720 - 05/28/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just got these two pups in the mail today, in miracle grow cactus soil and pearlite at 1:1, put 'em in and gave just a spray of water.



this one has a small looks like a cut on it's side, is that something to worry about or does it seem to be getting past it?



the rooting powder rubbed around and ended up on the side of this one and not the bottom, is that ok or is there something I should do to help it?



**UPDATE** 06/26/11

Doing really well, today was the first time I've watered in 10 days. They seem to look healthy, to me, and are definitely showing growth.

My only question now is that they seem to lean towards the evening sun so I keep rotating them every couple days in hopes they'll stay standing straight up. Good idea, bad idea, does it really matter?









**UPDATE** 07/24/11


So I've been watering every 10/14 days when they look thinner, and I've used half doses of schultz cactus food, but they aren't growing round any more they've gone to points, is this regular?







Update 03/23/12
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Updating since I'm just now able to really take them outside and leave them out all day. I kept them in a window in the laundry room all winter and am really surprised at how much they grew. They've been outside a week now and looking awesome now that springs kickin in here.


same two guys from the op, dubbed chris farley and ODB.

When should I think about larger pots or new soil?




UPDATE 5/17/14

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Update 5/17/14

Decided its time to update this. I can't post much but this site still helps me w problems a lot.



Yes, those are larger pots than I originally planted them in. Aft this season I plan on upgrading the soil and pots but, I wanna let em fatten up some this year.






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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: airclay]
    #14526752 - 05/28/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is a lot of perlite. You want your cactus soil to drain well and not hold water.  I like to put rocks at the bottom of the pot and mix course sand with whatever soil I am using.

I cant really tell what that cut is. But it doesnt seem to be any kind of rot or anything to worry about.

Just rinse the rooting powder off with a little bit of water.  There really is no reason to use rooting powder IMO. Cactus seem to root just fine on their own. I have used it a few times with salvia and coleus. I didnt notice much difference with or without it. No reason to use the stuff really. Especially if consumption is ever considered.

They look pretty healthy. The second pic is a cutie. Just dont water them too much till they get established,especially with all that perlite.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #14527215 - 05/28/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it's pretty humid here most the time, so I was hoping the perlite would gather moisture that way and I could cut back a bit on the watering. would that make sense?


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: airclay]
    #14527788 - 05/28/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well the perlite will hold water,thats what it does, but it can also be risky and cause over watering. Just water sparingly until new growth starts. Do not worry about under watering.

As long as you are careful with your watering you should be ok. It helps you have them in clay pots.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #14528065 - 05/28/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

whats the best way to tell when it's time to water? Most instructions seem to say once a week, so once a month at first and more if needed?

for water I'm using tap water that's sat in containers for a while to de-chlorinate, is the idea at least. and just a good mist from a spray bottle is ample amount?


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: airclay]
    #14528166 - 05/28/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say (from what I've read) once a month should be plenty, twice month maybe in the spring.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: airclay]
    #14528270 - 05/28/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A cactus will usually swell up when it is full of water. The crease within the ribs starts to flatten out and the ribs start to bulge. In your pictures the cactus seem well hydrated.

This is why I mentioned having too much perlite. If you are unsure about watering and how your particular cactus grows, perlite can be bad news. Drainage is key!

fngbronco says once a month. This is adequate.Like I said you dont really have to worry about under watering. The cactus will start to look sunken in when it really NEEDS water. I would start watering more once new growth starts. My san pedro wanted water once a week when it was in full veg.

Just let the soil dry completely before you water.  I find they are most susceptible to rot when trying to root cuttings as well as when transplanted. Once they start getting new growth I put mine in full sun and water more frequently.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: aNeway2sayHooray] * 1
    #14529000 - 05/29/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well the perlite will hold water,thats what it does, but it can also be risky and cause over watering. Just water sparingly until new growth starts. Do not worry about under watering.



I always thought that perlite doesn't hold water, and that it is added to improve drainage. Every page I viewed on the Googles says that perlite is used to prevent overwatering. Are you sure that you're not thinking of vermiculite?


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: Gzaajhom]
    #14529032 - 05/29/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, apparently perlite is good for drainage and aeration. I prefer to use a 40/60 mix of perlite and good quality cactus soil, never had any trouble with it. It doesn't seem to be very water retentive either. Sometimes it seems that all the water I pour in comes straight out the bottom of the pot.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: Cactii]
    #14529047 - 05/29/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh also, I like to water a lot more than once a month during the growing season. During the hottest period of summer I water pretty much daily and they love it. If you only water when it looks thirsty you won't get much growth, IMO. Of course in winter you should keep them bone dry unless they are about to die of thirst, in which case you can give them a tiny sprinkle of water.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: Cactii]
    #14529243 - 05/29/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They look pretty good to me. :thumbup:

I've used 50/50 perlite/soil, and its been fine for some cactus, others didn't do as well and died of rot, although that was after spending the winter in a greenhouse...but some still survived. IMO it's a little too much perlite.

Anyways, I think it varies from species to species as to what type of soil/mixture is best. If you have a lot of cacti to experiment with, try different things and see how they react.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #14529566 - 05/29/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well the perlite will hold water,thats what it does, quote]


Thsi is not true Vermiculite holds water Perlite is for aeration


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: GGTBod]
    #14529602 - 05/29/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well the nursery close by was out of sand (how's that happen?), and I need to read a lot more on washing the sand and what not, but as soon as I'm ready for that I'll be getting into a coir/perlite/sand mixture.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: GGTBod]
    #14530258 - 05/29/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well the perlite will hold water,thats what it does,





Thsi is not true Vermiculite holds water Perlite is for aeration


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Verm is similar to perlite. They both expand with heat. Perlite holds water until it reaches a very high temp.

Perlite is great for aeration but it still holds lots of water. Thats why people use it in fruiting chambers.




"In horticulture, perlite can be used as a soil amendment or alone as a medium for hydroponics or for starting cuttings. When used as an amendment it helps prevent water loss and soil compaction."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perlite


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #14530285 - 05/29/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting, ive always only used it after it has been heated to high temps, the stuff i buy is like little aerated rocks about 5-8mm, when i have wanted moisture retention ive used vermiculite that is in cacti gardening and shroom chambers


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: GGTBod]
    #14530291 - 05/29/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Vermiculite retains much more water than perlite. Perlite is airy and drains better.
Not interchangeable, and for cactus you want perlite, not verm.
Coir/perlite/limestone is this newb's recommended growth medium.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: Doc_T]
    #14530313 - 05/29/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes they are most definitely not interchangeable. I wasn't implying that.

I just prefer to stick with sand and compost/soil.


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: Doc_T]
    #14530908 - 05/29/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Vermiculite retains much more water than perlite. Perlite is airy and drains better.
Not interchangeable, and for cactus you want perlite, not verm.
Coir/perlite/limestone is this newb's recommended growth medium.





i always thought the same, i have also never used perlite in my fruiting chambers as it is a perfect home for algae, whereas the vermiculite is innert


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: GGTBod]
    #14532561 - 05/29/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i thought perlite held water on its surface area from tension and verm just absorbed the water


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Re: Peruvian Pups [Re: thunderhead19]
    #14532587 - 05/29/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perlite releases water well, it's ideal for fruiting chambers.
there's a post by Roger Rabbit called something like "The difference between perlite and vermiculite".
Search engine should find it, and he not only explains it, there's micro-photographs to go along with the explanation.


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