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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14608241 - 06/13/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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oversaturation leads to suffocation 
its probably not likely youll keep a fluffy aerated substrate pile outdoors(unless you were naturally receiving perfect conditions)
im just saying try and be as even as you can when applying water to anyhting outdoors.
if you could stand to sit there for a while and mist it till its saturated, THAT'd be more optimal than just dumping water onto your substrate that needs to be breathing/exchanging gases every time water floods that substrate its pouring particles into all the cracks and crevices that the mycelium has naturally formed, creating dams, etc all over the substrate, restricting natural functions like progressive colonization and subsequent flushing
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: just me]
#14608279 - 06/13/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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but as far as outdoor bed longevity...the more "fluffy" and "ideal moisture content" you could keep the bed, the more prolific it will fruit
although it will devour available nutrients in one or two nice flushes. with sparse fruiting for a few weeks after, if youre lucky
while a shittier mixed shit salad, Might, fruit LONGER but fruit less. and less than youd maybe want to deal with
edit: punctuation sorry only my left hand punctuates
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: just me]
#14608817 - 06/13/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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just me said: but as far as outdoor bed longevity...the more "fluffy" and "ideal moisture content" you could keep the bed, the more prolific it will fruit
although it will devour available nutrients in one or two nice flushes. with sparse fruiting for a few weeks after, if youre lucky
while a shittier mixed shit salad, Might, fruit LONGER but fruit less. and less than youd maybe want to deal with
edit: punctuation sorry only my left hand punctuates
I will definitely take note of that.
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14611971 - 06/14/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well... this is what I ended up doing. I had 4 semi-spent trays of goodness that I mixed into my mound. I will show the details below. 2 of my trays were aluminum and the other 2 were some type of waxy cardboard. Check out how the mycelium started to transfer to the bottom! 
So I dug into the center of the mound about 6 inches deep (there was still about 6 more inches of mycelium below that point). 
Then I added some coffee grounds, a fat pinch of hydrated lime, a couple handfuls of verm, and a small handful of DE mixed together and moistened in the hole just for shits and giggles. Then I added my spawn (broken in 1/2) on top of that mixture. 
Then I filled in the spaces with manure and moistened it. 
Then I covered the hole with every thing I dug out and spread the surface out, so there would no longer be a mound. 
Then I decided to add some verm on top of it all and misted it well. 
Then I thought it would be a good idea to conceal it a little better by adding leaves. 
So let's see how this bad boy will turn out!
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14612682 - 06/14/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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this is a new one? 
nice!
non of this is conclusive, but it seemed to me in tests with outdoor projects, if i wanted to get the most out of an already fruited substrate, i wouldnt break it up
i would leave it whole, and just case it
once the mycelium is in fruiting mode, and fruiting from a given substrate, its a little difficult to get the mycelium to colonize something new 
i guess to sum it all up, i would say if youre fruiting an already flushed bulk sub, just case it outdoors (adding new substrate would be prone to contam) but if youre spawning to bulk outdoors, a mix like you stated above sounds good!
i do not doubt for a second tho, that youll get fruits for weeks from what you just "birthed" outside
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: just me]
#14613750 - 06/14/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanx. I'll post pix soon
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14615201 - 06/14/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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anyone try spreading plastic wrap over top to encourage humidity? I've been tossing contaminated or spent substrate into a large window box that I then cover with old dry grass clippings...I get occasional fruits but I'm trying plastic wrap weighted down on top of the clippings, with a bunch of rips/tears in it.
I notice condensation/fogginess on the underside everyday, so I assume it's working.
On an interesting side note, a few of the fuckers that I pick are dirty at the base of the stem, leaving me to assume that they are actually getting nutrients from the soil mix UNDERNEATH the spent casings/coffee grounds/coir/clippings layers.
but yeh, anyone try plastic wrap?
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: zydisqwap]
#14615229 - 06/15/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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let us know how it works, regardless of anyones opinion, if it works good, im probably going to give it a try. i have been soaking cardboard and laying it on top, but it dries out so fast. i have rocks around my patches so the cardboard is a little bit elevated. its more for shade than humidity tho, cuz its not in a 100% shady spot.
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I think this is preventing too rapid evaporation (ie drying out the top substrate), retaining a decent amount of humidity, and on a plus side, prevents the damn slugs from eating pins!
If you have a large patch, perhaps a cheap bath-curtain could work in leu of wasting a whole roll of cling-wrap?
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: zydisqwap]
#14626362 - 06/17/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i tried colonizing under thick black platic, and i believe it was the cause of stalling, suffocation, eventual killing of the mycelium
that looks like its doing a REALLY nice job of keeping it humid
make sure youre letting it evap tho
fanning shouldnt be an issue outside, but you may want to remove, and cover several times a day for FAE/humidity/FAE/humidity etc
drying out your sub is just as detrimental as getting it too wet. ok maybe not AS, but sun dried subs take a beating and dont perform well at all
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: just me]
#14639653 - 06/19/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeh didn't think of evaporation....trying out leaving the wrap off during the night after a good misting
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: zydisqwap]
#14639939 - 06/19/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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extra slugs at night 
throughout the day you should be removing the cover a few times, and reapplying it
you dont want to trap air, and gasses
let it breath
and hopefully its not in direct sun. not a plant, sensitive mushroom, and even more sensitive mycelium
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14640235 - 06/19/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Before there was the lava lamp, there was the HoneyShroom Jar!
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Nice little patches you got going avngstr(sp). Have you tried using mulch to retain moisture and keep gas exchange happening at a good level? WWND eh? Crushed eggshells are a great slug eliminator.
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: Alkaloids]
#14650809 - 06/21/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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really? do the shells repel or kill them?
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: zydisqwap]
#14650874 - 06/21/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just had a funny discovery. I thought a tub was finished and starting to get trich on 2 little spots where the fruits were chopped off at the feet. Broke it up, put it in a big plastic bag and forgot to throw it out. 4 days later I bump into it and open it up. Guess who has another flush? LOL
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: Alkaloids]
#14654323 - 06/22/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alkaloids said: Nice little patches you got going avngstr(sp). Have you tried using mulch to retain moisture and keep gas exchange happening at a good level? WWND eh? Crushed eggshells are a great slug eliminator.
No I haven't tried using mulch. Wasn't sure what kind I could use (from what I understand, mulches usually contain fungicide, but I could be wrong). I think I may try the crushed eggshell technique, because now I'm finding that slugs are spending the night within the patch (little bastards!). By the way, what is WWND?
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14655996 - 06/22/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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youre adding your own organic mulch bro
with the leaves and such
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: avgstnr]
#14663223 - 06/24/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I haven't tried using mulch. Wasn't sure what kind I could use (from what I understand, mulches usually contain fungicide, but I could be wrong). I think I may try the crushed eggshell technique, because now I'm finding that slugs are spending the night within the patch (little bastards!). By the way, what is WWND?
What would nature do? The eggshells cut through their mucous layer and either kills them or discourages them from coming around.
I meant natural, untreated leaves, grass clippings, etc.
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Re: Outdoor Bed Longevity [Re: Alkaloids]
#14664148 - 06/24/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone that has melted slugs has learned the joys of using salt. I say dump a ring of rock salt around the perimeter and witness the carnage.
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