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    #14526241 - 05/28/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526251 - 05/28/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i used to love the DEA because it kept my merchandise in high demand and short supply making my business very profitable and easy to advertise :coaster:


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
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Re: To HELL with the DEA *DELETED* [Re: Coaster]
    #14526263 - 05/28/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526276 - 05/28/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no actually its much easier to turn a profit with drugs being illegal

like goodluck making money selling alcohol right now


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Re: To HELL with the DEA *DELETED* [Re: Coaster]
    #14526284 - 05/28/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526296 - 05/28/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

people still boot leg, and heard it cost upwards of 50-60k a year to house inmates-


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526317 - 05/28/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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CuriousMind said:
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Coaster said:
no actually its much easier to turn a profit with drugs being illegal

like goodluck making money selling alcohol right now




Well you're just a little fuck head if you're happy to make a few extra bucks at every one else expense. I don't care how much money you made. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from last year when the damn Emerald Triangle voted no to legalizing weed. What a bunch of greedy little pricks. They are just as bad as the DEA in my opinion.

CRIME COULD BE CUT IN HALF, BECAUSE HALF OF ALL 'CRIME' ACTUALLY ISN'T A CRIME.

Shroomism thanks for posting that link, I already signed the petition and urge everyone to do the same.



I also invest in private prisons

i currently hold $7,500 in stocks

the more people locked up in prison the more money I make

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Coaster]
    #14526323 - 05/28/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no actually its much easier to turn a profit with drugs being illegal

like goodluck making money selling alcohol right now



The Black market would die with the legalization and regulation of drugs.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: limestoneman]
    #14526344 - 05/28/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no actually its much easier to turn a profit with drugs being illegal

like goodluck making money selling alcohol right now



The Black market would die with the legalization and regulation of drugs.




Not if they kept the prices the same- How much does it cost to buy some  pot on the street 300oz, how much from a Medicial shop- 250-350oz-  Hell you can get cigs on the black market cheaper than at the store.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14526356 - 05/28/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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2jew4u said:
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limestoneman said:
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no actually its much easier to turn a profit with drugs being illegal

like goodluck making money selling alcohol right now



The Black market would die with the legalization and regulation of drugs.




Not if they kept the prices the same- How much does it cost to buy some  pot on the street 300oz, how much from a Medicial shop- 250-350oz-  Hell you can get cigs on the black market cheaper than at the store.




obviously if drugs were legal there would be a much greater supply than what there is now.

basic rules of supply and demand tell us with a greater supply prices will plummet.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Coaster]
    #14526390 - 05/28/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Coaster said:
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CuriousMind said:
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Coaster said:
no actually its much easier to turn a profit with drugs being illegal

like goodluck making money selling alcohol right now




Well you're just a little fuck head if you're happy to make a few extra bucks at every one else expense. I don't care how much money you made. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from last year when the damn Emerald Triangle voted no to legalizing weed. What a bunch of greedy little pricks. They are just as bad as the DEA in my opinion.

CRIME COULD BE CUT IN HALF, BECAUSE HALF OF ALL 'CRIME' ACTUALLY ISN'T A CRIME.

Shroomism thanks for posting that link, I already signed the petition and urge everyone to do the same.



I also invest in private prisons

i currently hold $7,500 in stocks

the more people locked up in prison the more money I make

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: blazenn]
    #14526400 - 05/28/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cigs are legal and the price keeps going up not down,  Supply and demand dont really apply unless its a small market- that has lastic demand- For example inelastic demand like, gas,food- If gas was 15dollars a gallon tommorrow- you would pay it-  You have to work, to pay for your house,car,food-      Pot other Drugs, would possibly go up b/c someone is setting the price, where in underground culture, price is usually dictated by quality,quantity,travel,demand-  For instance an Oz of swag in south beach is almost a hundred bux or more(2000 when i lived there)Grade A Coke the kind that makes you say GODDAMN 20bux a gram- now the inverse for say a Midwest state- where swag is everywhere.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14526414 - 05/28/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if any drug becomes legal, i'm sure they'll find a way to fuck that up to.

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: ferrel_human]
    #14526465 - 05/28/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i hire people to lobby congress to enact more stringent drug laws so people stay in prison longer

the longer the jail sentences the more people in prison

the less drugs on the street

makes drug prices higher

so its win win win situation :bender::coaster::prance::discorex:


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Coaster]
    #14526524 - 05/28/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nah just stream lines the process, and Cuts out all the middle men, makes them cheaper-


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526550 - 05/28/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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They are terrorists on our very own soil, ruining our lives in so many ways. How do the masses not see what is going on here? First off, millions of NON VIOLENT people are being taken away from their families, careers ruined, and locked in a cage due to drugs such as Cannabis and Opioids in which many sick people NEED to continue their lives and alleviate the hell they live in.





the DEA doesnt ruin lives, the drug users do, dont place the blame on a
government agency when i was the choice of the user/dealer to do something
illegal. you wanna place blame, place it on the stupid fucks that get
busted for carrying a pound in their back seat, blame the fuckheads that
got the felony and cant vote, blame the stupid lazy potheads the simply
dont vote or make an excuse of how voting doesnt make any difference, had
all those potheads got the fuck of the couch in california it would be
legal there, if they did it nation wide we'd have a congress that supports
the legalization effort

you want someone to blame, blame yourself

not every pothead or oxy junkie is using it for much needed medication,
face the facts, the majority of users are recreational users whether they
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: 2jew4u] * 1
    #14526555 - 05/28/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Cigs are legal and the price keeps going up not down,  Supply and demand dont really apply unless its a small market





tobacco goes up because they impose a new sin tax every few years, it has
nothing to do with supply and demand, only with the liberals restricting our
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526566 - 05/28/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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CuriousMind said:
They are terrorists on our very own soil, ruining our lives in so many ways. How do the masses not see what is going on here? First off, millions of NON VIOLENT people are being taken away from their families, careers ruined, and locked in a cage due to drugs such as Cannabis and Opioids in which many sick people NEED to continue their lives and alleviate the hell they live in.





the DEA doesnt ruin lives, the drug users do, dont place the blame on a
government agency when i was the choice of the user/dealer to do something
illegal. you wanna place blame, place it on the stupid fucks that get
busted for carrying a pound in their back seat, blame the fuckheads that
got the felony and cant vote, blame the stupid lazy potheads the simply
dont vote or make an excuse of how voting doesnt make any difference, had
all those potheads got the fuck of the couch in california it would be
legal there, if they did it nation wide we'd have a congress that supports
the legalization effort

you want someone to blame, blame yourself

not every pothead or oxy junkie is using it for much needed medication,
face the facts, the majority of users are recreational users whether they
have a card/scrip or not






lol look at pris defending the DEA






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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: blazenn]
    #14526615 - 05/28/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

learn to read, that's not defense of the DEA that's condemnation of the
dumbasses that want to throw the blame on others instead of themselves, is it
the DEAs fault that the drugs are illegal? no, lets blame the people for not
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Re: To HELL with the DEA *DELETED* [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526624 - 05/28/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind] * 1
    #14526649 - 05/28/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Actually yes the DEA has played a the largest part in directly ruining millions of American lives for little to no reason at all. I myself have been directly effected a lot more than most people.




the DEA wasnt even in existence when congress passed the drug laws, the DEA wasnt around when people were first getting busted, the DEA wasnt around until the early 70s and the DEA certainly didnt make anyone go out and break a law, they simply did the job they're paid to do

the DEA isnt some group that got together one day and said "hey. let's make weed illegal and go lock people up for it" no, the were created by congress to enforce laws passed by congress

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I've got chronic pain, and I will require opioids and medicinal cannabis for the next 20-30 years provided I don't die. So I guess I should blame myself for having a disease that ruins my life without proper medication. I guess I have but myself to blame for risking being thrown in prison so that I can use my medication.





you are not the majority of drug users, you're only a single out of tens
of millions that use drugs, so now let me ask, exactly what disease would
one have that requires the unprescribed use of opiates?

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Sure, I can blame politicians, and ignorant Americans who support the DEA. And guess what, I do. But it's the DEA itself brain-washing these sheep to begin with. So they are the ones who really deserve the heat.




you misinterpret what I've said, it's not those tha support the DEA you need to blame, it's those that support legalization and then do absolutely nothing

so let me ask, when's the last time you voted?


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Re: To HELL with the DEA *DELETED* [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526750 - 05/28/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526947 - 05/28/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

cannabus only works on some types of pain

others it does nothing

doctors when hard pressed will script u any med u just need to play them

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14526967 - 05/28/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Theirs not much I can really do, I sign petitions and stuff... Perhaps maybe I'll write a book one day. But I live in a commonwealth and we are conservative.





I guess you're unaware that conservatives tend to be more open to
legalization, as for petitions, dont waste your time, petitions are
pointless and stupid, politicians pay attention to the guy with the news
crew in his office lobby, if you can vote on the state level that's fine
but why not suggest to your state reps that marijuana needs to be
addressed instead of sitting around waiting for them to address it

are you aware that Georgia, a bible belt state is the first state to have
passed a medical marijuana law back in 1980, not many states are more
conservative than Georgia

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I'm 20 years old, and with an unknown wide-spread chronic nerve pain disease in over half my body.
I am prescribed opiates now, it took a year and a half. I tried 15 different drugs, I've taken an 2 MRIs, 1 CAT_Scan, 2 X-Rays, nerve conduction (I think?) and muscle tests, but they have no clue why I'm in pain. And also coincidentally still paying the damn medical bills and can no longer even afford to figure out what disease I have.




if I take my car to a mechanic and that mechanic cant figure out what's
wrong with it I'm not paying, it's really simple, doctards are tards for a
reason, because they check the book and if they get tired of looking
before they figure it out then it's an unknown disease. in 20 years I've
been to a doctard twice, both times I asked to have a specific test run to
eliminate the most probable ailment, one doctard ran the test, took five
minutes and cost $150, the other decided to run every test he could
including a half dozen I asked him not to run since I knew I wasnt having
a heart attack, the only test he didnt run... the one I asked for.
his bill totaled $3800... can you guess which doctard didnt get paid?

that's right, the one that didnt listen to his patient



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^---- The DEA are the ones going on the witch hunts and scaring all the decent doctors away. The cannabis issues have been around a long time, but it is the DEA who has fucked the sick people and the ones with terminal illnesses.





THE DEA DOES NOT MAKE THE LAWS, TALK TO YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATVES AND
TALK TO BARACK 'THE ASSHOLE' OBAMA, you remember Obama, the one that said
he wouldnt go after the medical patients, the one that said he'd stop the
raids on dispensaries, the one that lied 100 times over.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Coaster]
    #14526975 - 05/28/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you have chronic pain,(no pun intended) They will per scribe you any thing- I know a lady thats a  burn victim(20pct)  And she Gets like 250mg oxy a day and 300mmg 0f fentanyl patches- She even says it over kill, Prolly cuz she gone to the hospital for a couple Od's Lol (cuz she banged the oxy)


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14527288 - 05/28/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

People who think that cannabis revenues would decrease if cannabis were legalized are seriously misunderstanding market economics.

The assumption is that cannabis flowers which are smoked are the primary or only product of the cannabis plant.  A second assumption is made that the price is abnormally inflated due to prohibition such that any effects legalization would have would be moderated by the price difference in cannabis (prices of dried flowers would plummet).


What's being completely ignored is the literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of INDIVIDUALS let alone firms and corporations that are interested in and would be growing cannabis for its myriad uses.  When I say myriad I mean it literally has no equal in the world of versatility.  Cannabis can be marketed to so many different individuals in so many different forms (oil, gas, food, drugs, building materials, paper, sails, etc. etc. etc.) and the quality of cannabis products outshines that of other resources.

Taken further, cannabis, like many fungi, has enormous potential for research to produce products that excel at tasks that we currently use plastics and metals for.

The legalization of cannabis would literally be a new industrial revolution.  How people miss this is neigh impossible for me to understand.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Humility]
    #14527341 - 05/28/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think you confused cannabis with hemp, which already can be grown legally just not on an industrial scale (in the us) as i understand.

it can be imported though ( LOL )


im not sure about other drugs, but prices of cannabis would definitely drop if it were legal as there would be A LOOOOOOOT more people growing their own weed.

also i don't believe the prices of cannabis and hemp are related. hemp is a completely separate plant that can be farmed on a massive scale without worry of potency or curing. it can just be grown and grown and grown and chopped down to be processed to be used for whatever someone wants to use it for.

cannabis when grown has to be cared for if you want high quality, and with the high abundance we would see there would be higher demand for quality of product. hemp will be grown massively without regard of quality (hemp could be legalized long before cannabis, and im surprised it's illegal right now anyway)


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14527357 - 05/28/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The side of me that is violent and frustrated fantasizes about executing DEA agents by shooting them in the face at point blank range. 














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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Learyfan]
    #14527373 - 05/28/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14527386 - 05/28/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you don't like it go vote.
It's that easy, vote to change things.

...before you tell me votes don't matter, google up how many dispensaries there are in Colorado first.


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    #14527447 - 05/28/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14527471 - 05/28/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure it's against our constitutional rights to have the government come in and tell doctors how to treat their patients




No, there's no such prohibition in the Constitution.


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    #14527476 - 05/28/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14527492 - 05/28/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've voted since I turned 18, but my state hasn't had any policies or things to vote on as far as the drug war or medicinal cannabis is concerned since then... Theirs not much I can really do, I sign petitions and stuff...




You can do much more than that by speaking up to the people you know.
They smoke pot or know somebody who does, all of them, but they don't talk about it.
So be open. Not blabby, just open.

Then when it comes to vote, mention what a waste of their tax money current MJ policy is. :thumbup:

"We lock people up for weed? And I'm paying for that?!?!" <-- just like that.

(Also, you said "since 18" but didn't mention your age... it does take some time to work. I'm 44, I've seen some change happen.)


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14528122 - 05/28/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner, I do get your point man. Obama lied to us, just like every other president does really. You say the DEA doesn't make laws, correct. BUT they do send out an enormous amount of propaganda which brain-washes the ignorant sheep in to believing them. AND, it IS the DEA that is threatening doctors, and fucking the people with illnesses big time.





and once again through an act of congress the powers of the DEA are passed
down, one that affects doctards as well as the patients, it's like blaming
the dog for the commands of it's master


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But the DEA has really taken this 'drug war' to heart. This is how they make their living.





it's their job, change the laws and the DEA is a toothless dog

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The problem is, they have power enough to go right past laws.





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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14528152 - 05/28/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's sad, this country was built to stop government interference and oppression. And now look, we've become the biggest police state in the world. I don't think our founding fathers would be pleased at all.





because no one wants to speak up, because everyone is too lazy to vote
because the other guys figure the next guy will do something about it and
nothing ever gets done


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529953 - 05/29/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

your right prisoner, everyone likes to point fingers but nobodys willing to do something about it, the power is in our hands although it might not be much together we can make a world of differance


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14530039 - 05/29/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think they should at least decriminalize marijuana because no matter how many raids they preform it's still a losing battle this country isn't free at all the government dictates everything we do. FUCK the us government quit trying to control everyone.
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14530203 - 05/29/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm3: yes the DEA are a bunch of fear mongering terrorists, is all your gonna do complain about them, look op if you sever the head (retarded backwardass laws) and the rest will follow, even though the game is rigged and the odds are stacked against you its still a fight worth fighting over, alot of people are fed up with this bullshit your not alone in all this we can win it laws arnt randomly born into existace they are created/abolished by the people WE choose into power, sad to say the majority are a bunch of puppets


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: auronlives69]
    #14530518 - 05/29/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your right prisoner, everyone likes to point fingers but nobodys willing to do something about it, the power is in our hands although it might not be much together we can make a world of differance





so many people say that one person cant make a difference, thie thing is it's
the collective of 'ones' that make the difference, we all have similar views,
we all want to achieve the same goal, if we're each willing to go out and
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Coaster]
    #14530615 - 05/29/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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cannabus only works on some types of pain

others it does nothing

doctors when hard pressed will script u any med u just need to play them

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Weed doesnt help my back. My mom keeps trying to push me to smoke my pain away but the weed just doesn't cut it when it comes to a back made of 70% metal. But, even with hardware like I have which most doctors around here are amazed even to see it, I find it very hard to get narcotics. I do get plenty of hydrocodone now, but I have to take piss tests and every single visit I'm made to feel like a junkie. I have legitimate need for narcotics, I shouldnt have to 'play' them. The game is getting harder, though. People who really don't need them are finding it harder and harder to get doctor dope.


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    #14530673 - 05/29/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14530728 - 05/29/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well cannabis simply needs to be changed to schedule 3 first of all.






I think it just needs to be legalized, fuck the medical marijuana bullshit,
75% of the people with the cards no have no real ailments they're treating
and the way I see it, prohibition is a violation of my constitutional rights


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Fibromyalgia - This is close to what I might have




Fibromyalgia is a scam for pain meds, it seems to afflict white middle class
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14530730 - 05/29/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Still tho; Every single DEA agent that enforces these horrible laws are to blame for the horrible things they do by following their orders. I blame people even when they are just doing their jobs. If their jobs are destroying peoples lives, I hold them directly responsible for the job they do.

I blame the war on drugs on anyone who does anything to keep it going. People are going to use the substances they want to use because they feel it is their right to choose. The government and the people enforcing these laws take away your right to be a free person. If you are harming no one or destroying property then there is no crime. No one was wronged or suffered a loss.

We should be arresting people for the things they do to wrong others, not make things illegal that have a chance to be used in a unsafe manner. We legalize and regulate certain drugs and we do have problems with them still. Sure you can go drink a case of beer and get behind the wheel of a car and become a very dangerous person to others. Well the beer isn't what has become dangerous, the person who has no regard for others safety is the one creating the situation. We know that and we enforce the law to prevent people from becoming dangerous to others while they are on said substance. Drugs shouldn't be any different. The want for drugs isn't going away, so we need a better system that doesn't hurt people or take away everyones rights


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Kada]
    #14530750 - 05/29/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Still tho; Every single DEA agent that enforces these horrible laws are to blame for the horrible things they do by following their orders. I blame people even when they are just doing their jobs. If their jobs are destroying peoples lives, I hold them directly responsible for the job they do.





how fucking hard is it for people to understand

THE DEA DIDNT MAKE ANYONE BUY/SELL/POSSESS/MANUFACTURE DRUGS

THESE DRUGS ARE A CONTRABAND ITEM THAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS ILLEGAL IN THE US

POSSESS THE DRUGS AND YOU PUT YOUR OWN FREEDOM AT RISK, THE DEA DOES NOT


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14530842 - 05/29/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This brings up the fatal flaw in Strike's thinking. Teach everybody how to make drugs and by sheer numbers we will overcome. Fail. They just build bigger jails and parole violent people to make room for us.


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    #14530844 - 05/29/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I say that is the crime. That is where the harm is. They are wrong and taking away personal freedoms. They bring the violence unto peaceful homes that have nothing to do with drugs at all. They kill people in their policing of morals.


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Kada]
    #14530895 - 05/29/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I say that is the crime. That is where the harm is. They are wrong and taking away personal freedoms. They bring the violence unto peaceful homes that have nothing to do with drugs at all. They kill people in their policing of morals.





if you have no drug in your home the chances of you dealing with a raid are
greatly reduced, though it does sometimes happen it is still not a regular
occurrence, and while I agree that drugs shouldnt be illegal none of this
changes the fact that they are in fact illegal at this current time and until
we do something to change that, this shit will always be the same

it's simple, break the laws, increase the risk


if you want to handle it my preferred way, treat the war on drugs like a fucking war


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14530933 - 05/29/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There are always innocent casualties in war. Collateral damage is increasing because the government want to control what they can't control. They raid the wrong people all the time and innocent people die. I don't care how justified the government or police think are, they hurt and kill people over things that humans have always done and will not stop doing. THEY created the problem by making the war on drugs/Americans. They declared us outlaws even tho we harm no one. I say THEY are the outlaws by creating this mess because of their want to control the population. They use any means necessary to control us all and that isn't right.

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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14530969 - 05/29/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Still tho; Every single DEA agent that enforces these horrible laws are to blame for the horrible things they do by following their orders. I blame people even when they are just doing their jobs. If their jobs are destroying peoples lives, I hold them directly responsible for the job they do.





how fucking hard is it for people to understand

THE DEA DIDNT MAKE ANYONE BUY/SELL/POSSESS/MANUFACTURE DRUGS

THESE DRUGS ARE A CONTRABAND ITEM THAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS ILLEGAL IN THE US

POSSESS THE DRUGS AND YOU PUT YOUR OWN FREEDOM AT RISK, THE DEA DOES NOT





Weren't they legal before the DEA made them contraband?  Wouldn't that mean they used to be legal in the first place?  Wouldn't that mean that someone, some agency is responsible for them being labelled as contraband and drugs?


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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14531091 - 05/29/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fibromyalgia isn't a disease, it's a set of symptoms that is incurable, and unknown in todays medical community





they know not what causes it, they only know people come in complaining
that their teeth itch or their skin hurts or some other shit, how can
something be cured, treated or even diagnosed if it's unknown

my ex wife, her mother, her sister... all claim to have it yet none ever
complained about pain, I know for a fact my ex didnt have it


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And trust me, people with this condition deserve and need opiates to live.




my ex and her mother were both prescribed tramadol, it's an opiod
analgesic, strangely enough, neither smoked pot because they claimed it
aggravated the condition, I think it's just because they preferred the pills

so tell me, why do most doctards not recognize fibro as a legit ailment,
my ex had to shop around for doctards before she found one that would give
her pain meds, strangely it was the same her mother went to for hers, the
few that do recognize it say if comes from some sort of trauma



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The true problem here is people are automatically concerning themselves with the scamming junkies. Fuck them. These 5-10% scamming junkies the country is at war with ARE MAKING COLLATERAL DAMAGE OUT OF 90% OF OUR SICK FAMILY AND FELLOW AMERICANS.




most people on prescription meds are the scamming junkies, it's the
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: CuriousMind]
    #14531110 - 05/29/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner doesn't take in to account that the DEA is POWERFUL. They don't want to lose their power and influence. THEY WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO CONTINUE THIS WAR. THEY HAVE THE EAR OF POLITICIANS. THEY ARE THE HEAD ENEMY!





no, the general public is the main enemy, just like with alcohol prohibition
it's the people that need to do something about the war on drugs. it's no
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Re: To HELL with the DEA [Re: Maverick]
    #14531136 - 05/29/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Still tho; Every single DEA agent that enforces these horrible laws are to blame for the horrible things they do by following their orders. I blame people even when they are just doing their jobs. If their jobs are destroying peoples lives, I hold them directly responsible for the job they do.





how fucking hard is it for people to understand

THE DEA DIDNT MAKE ANYONE BUY/SELL/POSSESS/MANUFACTURE DRUGS

THESE DRUGS ARE A CONTRABAND ITEM THAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS ILLEGAL IN THE US

POSSESS THE DRUGS AND YOU PUT YOUR OWN FREEDOM AT RISK, THE DEA DOES NOT





Weren't they legal before the DEA made them contraband?  Wouldn't that mean they used to be legal in the first place?  Wouldn't that mean that someone, some agency is responsible for them being labelled as contraband and drugs?





DEA was formed July 1, 1973

Marijuana was outlawed Aug. 2, 1937

Opium was outlawed in 1909

so... how would they have achieved this goal of prohibiting these drugs
when they werent even a twinkle in the eye of a president until the 70s


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    #14531160 - 05/29/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why would you believe that the scammers are concentrated in a state that's
populated with retirees, people often in need of pain meds, wouldnt it stand
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    #14531220 - 05/29/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

scammers make it tough on everybody, not just those of us who legitimately need pills. They increase the overall idea that people who use drugs recreationaly are bad people. Prohibition divides us by making what someone decides to put in their body or do what they wish with their consciousness into a defining part of a person's character. I had to pee in a cup to get my pills this month and even though they saw exactly what they wanted to see in my pee and I got my pills it still pissed me off. Prohibition laws have far reaching consequences and at some point we will hit a flash point where the whole thing blows up and something is gonna have to give.


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    #14531498 - 05/29/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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why would you believe that the scammers are concentrated in a state that's
populated with retirees, people often in need of pain meds, wouldnt it stand
to reason that most old people arent scammers and that those scamming would
be a lower percentage




Simply because Florida doesn't have a system to monitor opioid prescriptions. Their has actually been a HUGE problem down there, even old junkies have gotten in on it.





so why again are you blaming the DEA, a federal agency who enforces the laws in every state if all this falls back on the states and their systems






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What the DEA has started to do now is they will launch investigations in to Pain Management Clinics and various doctors who prescribe higher doses of opioids for their patients.




pain management clinics generally are there to drug test you and then get you away from the prescription and into shit like water aerobics or electro shock to deal with the pain as opposed to renewing the scrip

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    #14531550 - 05/29/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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blame the stupid lazy potheads the simply
dont vote or make an excuse of how voting doesnt make any difference, had
all those potheads got the fuck of the couch in california it would be
legal there.




A lot of potheads voted against prop 19, because it actually would have made punishments for selling or gifting (read passing the J) small amounts significantly harsher. In addition, a lot of people didn't like the "you must be 21" aspect.

Plus, would legalization of possession of small quantities of drugs be a positive thing? That way, a police officer could LEGALLY go buy from a dealer. And then bust his/her ass right there?
There's obviously positives too, like the fact that using would be legal, and that then perhaps police would lack users to question about their suppliers.
Decrim. seems like it could be a double-edged sword without full legalization.


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