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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481071 - 01/01/13 01:42 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Cervantes said: The climate in Colorado just isn't right for cubes to grow in the wild. Cubes grow naturally in a sub tropical climate. Colorado gets too hot and dry in the summer and far too cold in the winter. Also cubes rarely grow wild in high altitudes.
Now it is possible that a cow or horse was moved from the gulf coast to Colorado and pooped out some spores at the perfect time to have them grow. But that would be a one time deal. They would not grow again the next year. Once frozen, cube spores are done.
It is even hard to grow your own cubes outdoors in Colorado. The humidity is not right. It gets too cold at night, even in the warm months.
It is FAR more likely that someone claimed they had a wild print, in order to cover up their personal grow.
If the Colorado cube is really wild, it would likely show some traits common to high altitude cubes when looked at through a microscope.
That is very interesting. Being a new researcher, I didn't really know... I even admitted that earlier. It is interesting that they would have one called colorado, but for all we really know it could just be that the person that found it was originally from Colorado even if he found it elsewhere, and had no imagination so just named it after the state that he came from... However I imagine that there must be SOME part of colorado that would allow for growth, maybe south near the oklahoma or new mexico border. I guess at this point we will never really know. Always an interesting discussion though
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: whenallislost]
#17481138 - 01/01/13 01:56 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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The vendor who first sold Colorado swears he was told it came from a wild Colorado print. I trust the vendor is telling the truth, I just don't believe his source.
I grew up in Utah and there were always people claiming they bought mushrooms from people who picked them in the wild. Utah, being on the dry side of the Rocky Mountains, is even less suitable for cube growth than Colorado.
I suspect the reason for this is to protect the growers. If someone gives you fresh cubes, they probably know who grew them. What better way to cover that fact than to say you picked them in the wild? Most shroomers don't know enough about how cubes grow to doubt the story they are told.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: whenallislost]
#17481226 - 01/01/13 02:14 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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I found this information on the fungi forum from the Psilocybe cubensis Strain Guide. Hope it helps shed some light here. so here it is:
The Colorado Cube is an enigma.
Rumors of cubes growing in the Rocky Mountain West are common. Unfortunately, there is no hard evidence to support these rumors. The stories of wild cubes in the Rocky Mountain West are likely stem from cultivators who use the story to disguise their grow op. Western cultivators may simply tell friends that they know how to find cubes in a cow pasture (especially FRESH cubes), instead of saying, "HEY! I GROW THESE MYSELF! I HAVE A COLLECTION OF PRINTS, SYRINGES AND JARS! I HAVE A MARTHA, AN ULTRASONIC AND A PC!!!!"
Ralphster from www.ralphstersspores.com swears he was told the spores came from Colorado, but it is extremely unlikely the person who gave Ralph the original spores was telling the whole story. Without a great deal of human intervention, cubes would struggle to grow outdoors in Colorado's cold and dry, high altitude climate. Due to long winters, the potential wild cube growing season in Colorado is very short. This warm season is often very dry and also, too hot for cubes. While not entirely impossible, Colorado's conditions are simply not optimal for cubes. Not even in a good year.
If the Colorado Cube really is from Colorado, it was likely gathered from a cultivator's well tended outdoor (or even indoor) patch... or a farm animal ate some shrooms in the Gulf Coast region and was quickly transported to Colorado where it pooped the spores out at the perfect time of the year for cube growth.
A true Colorado cube would likely show some interesting microscopic traits, for example a Colorado cube should have unusually large spores. The further a native cube is from the equator, the larger the spores tend to be. If any such research has been done with the Colorado's spores, it is not readily available.
Ralph was told the Colorado is from Colorado. He believes what he was told. There is little evidence to dispute or support the story... but it is more than likely someone told Ralph a lie or at the very least, unknowingly stretched the truth.
It doesn't really matter if the Colorado cube really came from Colorado. It still makes for quite an interesting story.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: froste]
#17481246 - 01/01/13 02:17 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Hey, I wrote that!
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481327 - 01/01/13 02:30 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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that crazy you have a different user name on the fungi forum. lol its a small world after all
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: froste]
#17481335 - 01/01/13 02:33 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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No, someone took my post from here and reposted it without giving me credit. I'll live. I wrote it to be read.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481343 - 01/01/13 02:35 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481453 - 01/01/13 03:03 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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I see.... well the one on this site is better as it has the pics the one on the fungi forum does not, also he only stole your words up to the M section.... but still he could have given the credit where credit is due. Here is where i found it: http://www.fungiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=78&hl=
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481498 - 01/01/13 03:17 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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I have a question for you... if i were to take 2 spore syringes of 2 different races of cubes and inoculated a brf cake with some of each what would happen? would i be creating a unique strain?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: froste]
#17481515 - 01/01/13 03:21 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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That is the thing. It is near impossible to tell.
In the wild that is how spores work. They blow with the wind and combine with spores from elsewhere.
Falbino was created in a similar way but it is not as easy as it sounds and if you use spores from similar looking cubes it will be impossible to know for certain if it works.
Every time you use two spores to create mycelium, you create a unique strain. Even if they come from the same print. This strain thing can be really confusing.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481599 - 01/01/13 03:41 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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i was thinking of doing this with PE and F+.... so with these 2 i would surely be able to tell if something new came to be wouldn't you think? What would be the best way to get 2 races to mate?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: froste]
#17481623 - 01/01/13 03:48 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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froste said: I see.... well the one on this site is better as it has the pics the one on the fungi forum does not, also he only stole your words up to the M section.... but still he could have given the credit where credit is due. Here is where i found it: http://www.fungiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=78&hl=

and ooby makes an appearance in that thread.
god i love the OMC
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: froste]
#17481675 - 01/01/13 03:58 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Dinner, a movie and foreplay.

This is not my area of expertise. Your best bet is to use agar and cotton swabs. Get some spores of one cube on a swab and streak the agar. Then do the same with the other spores on a different plate. As you streak the agar with the swab the spores will thin out. Most of the spores will come off where you first make contact with the agar. Further down the streak you will have the chance to see individual spores growing before they combine with other spores. This is called monokaryotic (or something like that) mycelium. This is the growth which comes from single spores while they search for other spores to share genetics. Take the monokaryotic growth from both plates and allow them to meet together. They will share their genetics and in theory a new type of cube can be created.
This is an over simplified explanation.
Just merging cubes in a jar is not the best way to go about things though. Chances are half your jar will be one type of cube and the rest another. They tend to yield less this way, too.
Once a spore shares its genetics with another spore, the mycelium becomes dikaryotic. It can still merge with other mycelium but the genetics are already in place.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: k00laid]
#17481681 - 01/01/13 03:59 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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I saw a few familiar faces in there.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17481827 - 01/01/13 04:27 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yup. The Chosen One no less and El Sham to boot.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: froste]
#17483165 - 01/01/13 08:58 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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so with these 2 i would surely be able to tell if something new came to be wouldn't you think?
Not likely. With multispore (what you're talking about) you'll generate untold number of crosses as well as huge numbers of non-crosses. And since it's MS you don't have a prayer of sorting it out.
If you want to do this do spore dilution and plate streaking until you have individual spores germinating of each type. Then introduce them to each other (as monokaryons) and with luck you might see some dikaryons (fruiting fertilized myc) develop that share characteristics of each strain. If you do you'll want to propagate them until they begin to breed true (over generations) by crossing back the characteristics you want (just like animal or plant breeding). Otherwise you'll only be able to conserve the phenotype by cloning...
All this is not based on personal experience, except for the growing monocultures by using extremely diluted spores so that any dikaryon that arose was "automatically" a monoculture. And dikaryons won't easily join with other dikaryons - which is where more elaborate measures to produce crosses come into play.
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PS all sort of what Cervantes already said.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#17483302 - 01/01/13 09:24 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Is there an echo in here?
At least you gave me some credit for what I wrote. 
Also, you provided a clearer answer.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17483498 - 01/01/13 10:04 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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Great minds. Or something. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#17483845 - 01/01/13 11:17 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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i agree
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