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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: mistamonsta]
#15991468 - 03/24/12 08:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im not trying to argue for an ALL or NOTHING stance on dominant genetics or "strain" characteristics
Not that, it's trying to frame an argument regarding variations between strains as if either ALL strains carry characteristics of all other strains (if only somebody tries hard enough to isolate them) or that NO strains carry characteristics of other strains. Sort of like (the common enough analogy to dogs here) if you breed St. Bernards long enough you'll get an occasional Chihuahua - and v.v. Not how it really works, there is shading and commonalities intermixed with distinctiveness, even before you mix in dedicated breeding programs. Uhm, obviously of course.
Not only is there no original sin, there's likely no "original" strain to compare deviations too - all that genetic diversity came from somewhere (the wild springs to mind, and mutations - I've mutated Ps. cyanescens with inadvertent heat shock). Though we maintain all of the "strains" are obviously Ps. cubensis (since you can cross them with other cubes successfully and they share common characteristics) it's the distinctiveness in phenotype (and potency ) that obviously sets some of them apart. Obviously.
We humans are hung up on defining "species" much more rigidly than the organisms themselves in some cases. Not so obviously.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (03/25/12 03:09 AM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15991624 - 03/24/12 09:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: if you breed St. Barnards long enough you'll get an occasional Chihuahua - and v.v. 
no but you will get an occasional albino st bernard.
or one with a stumpy leg.
or one with a heart problem.
etc etc
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: k00laid]
#15992626 - 03/25/12 03:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup. Or an albino stumpy legged St. Bernard with a bad heart... But a lot more potent. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15994364 - 03/25/12 02:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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check out this site: http://www.earthstongue.com/site/388422/product/Psilocybe_Cubensis_Shooting_Stars_20cc_spore_syringe seller says that those r Ps.Cub. Shooting Stars, mine don't look like that at all. Well actually those pic on that web site don't look like any cubes I have ever "observed". So r those really pics of cubes?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: GrimTripper]
#15994434 - 03/25/12 03:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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They look like cubes to me... Milky colored stem, relatively thick compared to cap size, light brown cap and on a few you can even spot the purple spores staining the stem... Genetic variations explain why they dont look like yours or someone mislabled a print.. who knows but I'd definately say those look like cubes to me..
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MushroomHaven]
#15994477 - 03/25/12 03:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea genetics is one thing but, what I mean is for example the tiny shrooms have caps noticeably wider than stems. While all cubes I had looked like this:
 caps are more less the same in diameter like stems, and "more attached" to them. Unlike on the site I posted link to. Or maybe different fruiting conditions and adding (or not) casing have something to do with it?
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Edited by GrimTripper (03/25/12 03:18 PM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: GrimTripper]
#15994751 - 03/25/12 04:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you allow them to fully develop the caps will seperate from the stem and broaden out... you pic is of some early stage fruits/ past the pin stage but still quite a bit before full maturity...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: GrimTripper]
#15996583 - 03/25/12 10:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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So r those really pics of cubes?
Yeah. Probably. Maybe. But they do look a lot like Ps. cyans - details of the stipes, the wavy caps, the gill attachment, and the way they cluster (plus as you noted, the small ones have wider caps at an earlier stage). The pics could well be of cultivated cyans - I've done it - and it's why I key out wild mushrooms. 
Anyway, looks like they're promoting something they're referring to second hand as a "hybrid" - which between species doesn't happen. But if you just saw the pics and were kinda maybe "told" they were hybrids of cubes with cyans you might wanna go there.
Which is the point I suppose.
But your cubes are cubes.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15999027 - 03/26/12 02:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: But they do look a lot like Ps. cyans - details of the stipes, the wavy caps, the gill attachment, and the way they cluster
yeah, I was thinking the same way. Thanks for confirming 
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PrimalSoup said: Anyway, looks like they're promoting something they're referring to second hand as a "hybrid" - which between species doesn't happen. But if you just saw the pics and were kinda maybe "told" they were hybrids of cubes with cyans you might wanna go there.
Which is the point I suppose.
About that and the whole Shooting Star strain... I see there is a lot of ways to earn more from selling spores simply by selling same shit from different pile. Like example above & below:
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HybridprX said: And just so you know, Shooting Star is just a cubensis name change created by the fraud artist "The Keeper" who took everyday cube varieties and mislabeled them to help aid in his goal of charging outrages prices for syringes.
Peace GT
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15999493 - 03/26/12 03:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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So r those really pics of cubes?
Yeah. Probably. Maybe. But they do look a lot like Ps. cyans - details of the stipes, the wavy caps, the gill attachment, and the way they cluster (plus as you noted, the small ones have wider caps at an earlier stage). The pics could well be of cultivated cyans - I've done it - and it's why I key out wild mushrooms. 
Anyway, looks like they're promoting something they're referring to second hand as a "hybrid" - which between species doesn't happen. But if you just saw the pics and were kinda maybe "told" they were hybrids of cubes with cyans you might wanna go there.
Which is the point I suppose.
But your cubes are cubes.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: OoBYCoO]
#16014771 - 03/29/12 05:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey would i be able to use pf cake tek on any cuby mushroom? would pf cakes work better for Z strain or Equador? And what would a professional farmer suggest as a beginners crop-Z strain-or-Ecuador?  HELP A NOOB
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: OoBYCoO]
#16014776 - 03/29/12 05:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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On a different subject - PEU - interesting fruits.
well see how shiny the cap is? Noticed the caps were actually slick (slimy) like woodlovers while cleaning these. And sure enough, there's a pellicle that I could peel back. Not something common to cubes. Got me thinking.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: KandyKlanMan]
#16017127 - 03/30/12 12:44 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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KandyKlanMan said: hey would i be able to use pf cake tek on any cuby mushroom? would pf cakes work better for Z strain or Equador? And what would a professional farmer suggest as a beginners crop-Z strain-or-Ecuador?  HELP A NOOB
PF tek works for ALL cubes. Either of those will be just as easy as the other. They're all the same... P. cubensis.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: OoBYCoO]
#16054508 - 04/06/12 09:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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im late to the party, but i do have a question.
i here all the time, a cube is a cube is a cube is a cube. i also see handfuls of different strains and even more posts about people preaching about how this mushroom potency is better then that potency.
is there actually a difference in the trip when it comes to lets say... golden teacher, B+, or penis envy?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Poor Boy]
#16054537 - 04/06/12 09:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes there is a difference every time you use spores to grow cubes. One b+ grow will have different potency than the next unless you are working from agar.
That said, Penis Envy is widely considered very potent for a cube and IME this is true.
If you want something really potent though, try a different kind of fungus. Cubes are only moderately potent.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#16054559 - 04/06/12 09:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Yes there is a difference every time you use spores to grow cubes. One b+ grow will have different potency than the next unless you are working from agar.
That said, Penis Envy is widely considered very potent for a cube and IME this is true.
If you want something really potent though, try a different kind of fungus. Cubes are only moderately potent.
I have heard that PE is also a mark-up in potency, yet they seem to take a longer period to colonize. I've never grown them, but I have heard this from several different people.
How do strains like Cambodians or amazonians or B+ compare? I have grown Golden Teachers for a while, and am looking for a new strain to try out, along side P. Cyanescens. Any advice?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: uninc4life2010]
#16054710 - 04/06/12 10:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is everyone's experience with PF classics/costa ricas? Just asking because I am growing them for the first time.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Blackd0ve420]
#16054797 - 04/06/12 10:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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To answer the last two posts, cubes are cubes.
For more detail about strains and their histories, look at the first three posts in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10560039/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#16056373 - 04/07/12 10:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I got La Primevare and PF-redspore which one would yall grow first?
just an opinion
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: D-Dub363]
#16056385 - 04/07/12 10:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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does it matter do them back to back
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