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Fractal420
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22276353 - 09/22/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Small fruits in a sparse pinset is often the result of poor availability of water, either too much or too little. Work on field capacity and aim for a 1:1.5 spawn ratio.
The pinset is prolific and lots of them, theyre just small. The end result from first flush alone is still at least like 3oz dry from 3 quarts, just that the fruit are small. (Sometimes very small, even almost dwarfish)
Then they get monstrous.
*shrug*
I actually kind of like the shitloads of small fruit over the smaller pinsets of huge monsters
Edited by Fractal420 (09/22/15 09:04 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#22276399 - 09/22/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dense pinsets need lots of water to support the fruits. If water is lacking the pin either aborts or simply does not grow to its potential. You then need to either have a deeper sub at really ideal field capacity to supply the water or, you need to supply the water in other ways.
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Fractal420
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22276455 - 09/22/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heres what i do. I wait till it pins in the closed tub usually before allowing FAE. Maybe thats why at first theyre so small. Because i dont think water is the issue. If it was, i would be getting shitty pinsets and flushes all around, no? This is just more so size changes. I personally think its gotta either be genetics or that i wait till it starts fruiting before allowing the FAE, because while i do water my sub between flushes, i check the weight and try to keep it heavy (not overlogged, though) and always full of water. Plenty of signs of being well hydrated (drops everywhere and such). I rehydrate my grains, and the coir truly is what RR describes as field capacity. Not to doubt you (pasty) as i think youre very helpful and knowledgeable. One thing i can say is, i started noticing the size fluctuations after switching vendors. And the one tub where i used genetics from a different vendor, it didnt do this. Just...interesting.
Not to say that i cant be making some mistakes, it sure is possible, but it seems like this is a genetic thing or my waiting for pins (i never open airflow till i see fruit). Its been the past 2 strains
Its because ive never seen a reason to just open the poly after 10ish spawn run days. I always wanna be sure its colonized
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Edited by Fractal420 (09/22/15 09:29 PM)
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: abductee]
#22276557 - 09/22/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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abductee said: I'm sorry, could you clarify pins being too heavy? do you mean just as in size or the amount of pins in the given area?
Pinset can be too heavy - too many pins per square inch or per substrate surface, whatever. The sub won't bring them all to maturity. I have some pics somewhere, maybe...
This: 
is about as dense as they get without a problem, for me. I've had pinsets denser than that and they will just grow a while and stall out. I've injected extra water and it helps a bit, though. It seems to be genetic.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22277558 - 09/23/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^^that seems to be similar to what im encountering.
Def very good to know
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#22277620 - 09/23/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have this culture that consistently produces a pinset that covers the entire surface of the tub.
Unfornately it grows a bunch of gangly little 1-1.5" mushrooms that are dug into the casing like an alabama tick and yields poorly. If you slice them off, you end up with a solid block of stem matter. I wonder if it would be a good culture if I made my pinning conditions worse (open air?)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22277655 - 09/23/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could but it would be a fine balance. IME cultures that want to pin heavy will. Its up to us to help it along. If you can pull it off you end up with a fantastic yield. I have come really close to 200% BE first flush and am planning to top it. My ultimate goal is to see a full pound first flush from a 66 quart mono and 6 quarts of spawn. I should be able to do it with my new clone. But I already know I am going to have to supply extra water.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22277706 - 09/23/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: You could but it would be a fine balance. IME cultures that want to pin heavy will. Its up to us to help it along. If you can pull it off you end up with a fantastic yield. I have come really close to 200% BE first flush and am planning to top it. My ultimate goal is to see a full pound first flush from a 66 quart mono and 6 quarts of spawn. I should be able to do it with my new clone. But I already know I am going to have to supply extra water.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22279298 - 09/23/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man, that's a heavy pinset. @ pasty, that's a good goal. I gave my maz a lot of water and saw the results. Makes sense since mushrooms are 90% water. What's BE?
Edited by abductee (09/23/15 03:24 PM)
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TheEaglesGift
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wowimflabbergasted said: AA+ seem to turn into beasts. My biggest fruits were from my aa+ this year.

Agreed 100 percent.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22284669 - 09/24/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just put some of the insides of a beast on agar, one my panamas. Also put some PE on agar..finally..!!
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Darkhome
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22286478 - 09/24/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said:
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wowimflabbergasted said: AA+ seem to turn into beasts. My biggest fruits were from my aa+ this year.

Agreed 100 percent.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Darkhome]
#22286551 - 09/24/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just a testament to how bad ass AA+ is.
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Darkhome
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22286591 - 09/24/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Note to self...after Puerto Ricans...and PE...try AA+
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Darkhome]
#22286815 - 09/25/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doing pe un cut and aa+ right now pe is pinning aa+ is colinizing on target.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ralph larun]
#22286836 - 09/25/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I should have a bunch of AA+ prints here in the near future...I'll let y'all know.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ralph larun]
#22286911 - 09/25/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ralph larun said:
Doing pe un cut and aa+ right now pe is pinning aa+ is colinizing on target.
PE uncut is a memorable strain for me. Was in a transition at the time, so I didn't have a chance to slant it or even get spores... only got to grow it out once, but I'm certainly going to give it a try again some day. I loved the look of it, and potency reports were out of this world.
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ralph larun
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22286948 - 09/25/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm doing my pe in a bag hoping to get fat fruit like you said its a transition period. Check out my journal just started it but but love tips. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22286842
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't pe uncut a pf albino/pe cross??
Edited by ralph larun (09/25/15 02:42 AM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ralph larun]
#22287125 - 09/25/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes PE uncut was a happenstance that came about from the pf albino PE cross. Interesting what can pop up early in a cross.
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ralph larun
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22288187 - 09/25/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wen I really get into agur work I want to try and cross aa+ with pe uncut
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