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Inocuole
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898335 - 07/04/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That sounds totally desirable. I love convulsing.
I'll probably still have to try that.
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Buck513

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21898343 - 07/04/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive fainted on mushrooms before. But that's about it
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Buck513] 1
#21898364 - 07/04/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think if you grow long enough and trip enough you'll notice the differences, especially 'cause anybody who's into it will selectively cultivate what they like the most. The "explanation" may not be obvious or forthcoming, but the experience itself shows you whatever it is that's going on, it's going on differently with different species, different strains, and different isolations.
This "argument" occurs mostly between people with not much experience and those with a lot, I've noticed.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21899942 - 07/05/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Why would the intensity of visuals come from the fruit itself? Body load sure, but intensity of visuals? What chemical does this?
Body load is present with pure 4ho-(anything) as well as all the other "pure" analogs. It is a function of the tryptamines. Things like LSD are less intense with body load at lower doses, but all the "basic tryptamines" (psilo, dpt, dmt, det, 4-ho-xxx) all have what people refer to as body load. However it seems people's definitions of what body load means can vary.
When i say it, i am referring to the sometimes uncomfortable feeling of the presence of the tryptamine. If you think psilo has a high body load....avoid dpt and dmt. Both of those are like being struck by lightning
Edited by Fractal420 (07/05/15 07:29 AM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21899950 - 07/05/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I've had 3 different cultures that basically pined you to the floor for the duration of the trip. The PE I grew on Coffee had my entire body shaking and convulsing for 4 hours. I couldn't control a single one of my muscles throughout the entire peek. It was the best trip I've ever had though. I was still getting visuals 12 hours after my trip started. I ate less than an eighth and that trip was more intense than an ounce of my next most potent cubs.
That sounds scary and wrong. I wonder why such a thing would happen. Have heard rare reports of such things. I wonder if it happens with just lemon tea
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#21899951 - 07/05/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said:
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Inocuole said: Why would the intensity of visuals come from the fruit itself? Body load sure, but intensity of visuals? What chemical does this?
Body load is present with pure 4ho-(anything) as well as all the other "pure" analogs. It is a function of the tryptamines. Things like LSD are less intense with body load at lower doses, but all the "basic tryptamines" (psilo, dpt, dmt, det, 4-ho-xxx) all have what people refer to as body load. However it seems people's definitions of what body load means can vary.
When i say it, i am referring to the sometimes uncomfortable feeling of the presence of the tryptamine. If you think psilo has a high body load....avoid dpt and dmt. Both of those are like being struck by lightning
its got a lot to do how active your lifestyle is, noticed difference in trips after cycling for years and also meditating, how tired you are whats your diet etc.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Aero]
#21900757 - 07/05/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21901516 - 07/05/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm fairly new to this hobby and I'm taking back by the amount of info that is out there. Its a great thing we can discuss this like reasonable people. But with the little expireance I've had. I would say your experiance on them would vary from person to person regardless of strain/varitie. Like some one said before at the end of the day your mind runs things. Everyones dose is different and some of us have to take a small amount to get wat some people would to get to level 3. I would imagin that the active compounds in every starin vary a little but that's not to say gentically a cube inst a cube tho. But I belive it was rose who said that its like calling humans the same we have simialarites but none of us are the exact same.
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Buck513

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ralph larun]
#21901531 - 07/05/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ralph larun said: I'm fairly new to this hobby and I'm taking back by the amount of info that is out there. Its a great thing we can discuss this like reasonable people. But with the little expireance I've had. I would say your experiance on them would vary from person to person regardless of strain/varitie. Like some one said before at the end of the day your mind runs things. Everyones dose is different and some of us have to take a small amount to get wat some people would to get to level 3. I would imagin that the active compounds in every starin vary a little but that's not to say gentically a cube inst a cube tho. But I belive it was rose who said that its like calling humans the same we have simialarites but none of us are the exact same.
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mustangbob3
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21903805 - 07/06/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: I think if you grow long enough and trip enough you'll notice the differences, especially 'cause anybody who's into it will selectively cultivate what they like the most. The "explanation" may not be obvious or forthcoming, but the experience itself shows you whatever it is that's going on, it's going on differently with different species, different strains, and different isolations.
This "argument" occurs mostly between people with not much experience and those with a lot, I've noticed. 
i concur with you on this
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: mustangbob3]
#21905134 - 07/06/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can anyone help me ID this mushroom. Found growing in horse manure in South Africa during winter.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Franco Hamman]
#21905171 - 07/06/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What would be a good strain to start if attempting to mushrooms with big caps and little stems?
Or is there a way to control environment to keep stems short?
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TravelAgency
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Franco Hamman]
#21905175 - 07/06/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can anyone help me ID this mushroom. Found growing in horse manure in South Africa during winter.
Go to the Hunting, Field guide section, cross post to there for an ID request- trusted identifiers will almost always answer you very quickly
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21905271 - 07/06/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: What would be a good strain to start if attempting to mushrooms with big caps and little stems?
Or is there a way to control environment to keep stems short?
Uber high fae will help as will isolation and cloning. But a good typical fatass variety would be KSSS.
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insanemike

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21905293 - 07/06/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: What would be a good strain to start if attempting to mushrooms with big caps and little stems?
Or is there a way to control environment to keep stems short?
Uber high fae will help as will isolation and cloning. But a good typical fatass variety would be KSSS.
I have been growing ksss for a while now and I have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it as a main variety to grow. I always seem to get a nice pinset but the lack of horizontal space for them to grow leaves a lot left to be desired. Infact, the second half of the first flush always seems to be waiting on the first half to be picked. If the ksss grew more vertically, the first flush would be incredible because there wouldn't be any waiting for available space to grow. Just my 2 cents.
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TravelAgency
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: insanemike]
#21905302 - 07/06/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said:
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Pastywhyte said:
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GreenRabbit said: What would be a good strain to start if attempting to mushrooms with big caps and little stems?
Or is there a way to control environment to keep stems short?
Uber high fae will help as will isolation and cloning. But a good typical fatass variety would be KSSS.
I have been growing ksss for a while now and I have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it as a main variety to grow. I always seem to get a nice pinset but the lack of horizontal space for them to grow leaves a lot left to be desired. Infact, the second half of the first flush always seems to be waiting on the first half to be picked. If the ksss grew more vertically, the first flush would be incredible because there wouldn't be any waiting for available space to grow. Just my 2 cents.
Could that be changed by using the same amount of sub over a larger area? Or do you think the results would be similar/less? I have no idea here just trying to learn
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insanemike

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TravelAgency]
#21905548 - 07/06/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: What would be a good strain to start if attempting to mushrooms with big caps and little stems?
Or is there a way to control environment to keep stems short?
Uber high fae will help as will isolation and cloning. But a good typical fatass variety would be KSSS.
I have been growing ksss for a while now and I have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it as a main variety to grow. I always seem to get a nice pinset but the lack of horizontal space for them to grow leaves a lot left to be desired. Infact, the second half of the first flush always seems to be waiting on the first half to be picked. If the ksss grew more vertically, the first flush would be incredible because there wouldn't be any waiting for available space to grow. Just my 2 cents.
Could that be changed by using the same amount of sub over a larger area? Or do you think the results would be similar/less? I have no idea here just trying to learn
Just remember that the more surface area exposed to dry air, the faster it will dry out. I will have to admit though, the extra surface area of a pf cake gave me the best results. Muda bottles gave me the worst results. Anyway, I was thinking on terms relative to the size of the growing chamber.
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TravelAgency
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: insanemike]
#21905575 - 07/06/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So then if you were to birth a tray/ bottle- possible suspending it in a SGFC- would that perhaps make a difference with this strain?
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MudaFuka
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: insanemike]
#21905577 - 07/06/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just curious. What did you use in bottles? Clone, isolat, MS? I found they kind of suck for MS. They always give me my best yeilds with clones.
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insanemike

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21905655 - 07/06/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Just curious. What did you use in bottles? Clone, isolat, MS? I found they kind of suck for MS. They always give me my best yeilds with clones.
It was a clone, muda. My dry weight off the first flush on say 5 bottles usually yields me around 36 grams which is pretty damn close to what I was picking from eight 4oz size pf cakes. This particular trait of waiting on space to grow wasn't just experienced with the clone flushes, it was the same exact thing with the ms grow from which the clone came from.
Again, TA, the more surface area that you expose to dry air, the faster the substrate will dry out. If you want bigger caps and skinnier stipes, you might want to delve into a texas variety and clone the one with the skinniest stipe and isolate from there. Vertical growth is more beneficial to the home grower because horizontal space is usually the limiting factor.
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