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GrimTripper


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TravelAgency]
#21895399 - 07/04/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys (gyals), I was wondering... ...some say a cube is a cube but I don't agree with that.I have noticed significant difference in potency and "kind" of trip one has on different Cubes. For example Ps.Cub. Puerto Rico gave me a very hard trip and Nepal a mild, relaxing and visual one.
But what I wanted to ask is - do you notice difference in apperence of the shrooms? All of grows I made (incl. Equador, Golden Teacher, Martinique, Nepal, Treasure Coast... etc.) the shrooms looked actually the same in all cases. All accept one - Nepal mostly because of the veil. Saw some pics online of Martinique, which I experimented with recently, and on those pics the caps were very light in color, mine were darker. So do the enviroment cause that?
And I was wandering if one could tell the exact strain just by the fruits appearence?
GT
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: GrimTripper]
#21895405 - 07/04/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, you can't tell by the appearance, you can guess it's penis envy if it looks like a dick but even that's just a guess.
Also you can grow shitty weed from great "strains" and name brand seeds, you can still grow some dirt weed.
And you can grow dank ass fire chronic from some random bag seed off midgrade or even schwaggy ass bud.
So I don't think strain really has shit to do with potency, it's all about how it's grown.
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GrimTripper


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Psychonautica]
#21895437 - 07/04/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychonautica said: No, you can't tell by the appearance, you can guess it's penis envy if it looks like a dick but even that's just a guess.
Also you can grow shitty weed from great "strains" and name brand seeds, you can still grow some dirt weed.
And you can grow dank ass fire chronic from some random bag seed off midgrade or even schwaggy ass bud.
So I don't think strain really has shit to do with potency, it's all about how it's grown.
hmm I think you are incorrect with the potency statement (no offence). My Puerto Rico and Nepal, have been grown in exact same conditions in the same time, yet potency differential was more than noticable.
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Inocuole
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Psychonautica]
#21895439 - 07/04/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This shit needs to stop about different cubes giving different flavor trips, the notion is ridiculous, these are not weed. If you think it's different, it's literally something you force yourself to think because of what the mushroom was named by some arbitrary person for some arbitrary reason.
SET & SETTING! It influences about 99% of your trip, the other 1% being the fact that you are indeed tripping.
Potency is one thing, there is no such thing as a "more visual trip" from a different kind of cube, or a more relaxing one, etc.
Some people say pans and other exotic psilocybes offer more visual trips but until I try them personally I can't call those people full of shit yet. But I have a hunch they are unless baeocystin actually does anything noteworthy.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21895519 - 07/04/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm thinking more along these lines as well despite some earlier experiences that suggested perhaps there were strain trip differences.
It did occur to me, however, that "bodyload" could be processing of non-psychoactive chemicals that vary more from mushroom to mushroom. Maybe this processing makes people piss out toxins and actives along with them more quickly.
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No, this does not look right...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21895639 - 07/04/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: I'm thinking more along these lines as well despite some earlier experiences that suggested perhaps there were strain trip differences.
It did occur to me, however, that "bodyload" could be processing of non-psychoactive chemicals that vary more from mushroom to mushroom. Maybe this processing makes people piss out toxins and actives along with them more quickly.
That's completely possible, and could have weight when people consider how a trip made them feel, but it would still be technically incorrect to call it a difference in psychoactivity. All the mushrooms I've had worked the exact same once they were made into tea.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: GrimTripper] 1
#21895787 - 07/04/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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GrimTripper said:
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Psychonautica said: No, you can't tell by the appearance, you can guess it's penis envy if it looks like a dick but even that's just a guess.
Also you can grow shitty weed from great "strains" and name brand seeds, you can still grow some dirt weed.
And you can grow dank ass fire chronic from some random bag seed off midgrade or even schwaggy ass bud.
So I don't think strain really has shit to do with potency, it's all about how it's grown.
hmm I think you are incorrect with the potency statement (no offence). My Puerto Rico and Nepal, have been grown in exact same conditions in the same time, yet potency differential was more than noticable.
GT
Hey man. I agree with you. Golden teachers consistently gave me one type of trip while the same waz true of other strains. Mexi cubes are always a soft ride. This is, of course, if you take a set amount of each. Sure, if you eat a lot of any, you'll start to get the same effects. But at 2.5 grams, a cube trip is not a cube trip.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21896303 - 07/04/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: This shit needs to stop about different cubes giving different flavor trips, the notion is ridiculous, these are not weed. If you think it's different, it's literally something you force yourself to think because of what the mushroom was named by some arbitrary person for some arbitrary reason.
SET & SETTING! It influences about 99% of your trip, the other 1% being the fact that you are indeed tripping.
Potency is one thing, there is no such thing as a "more visual trip" from a different kind of cube, or a more relaxing one, etc.
Some people say pans and other exotic psilocybes offer more visual trips but until I try them personally I can't call those people full of shit yet. But I have a hunch they are unless baeocystin actually does anything noteworthy.

Definitely disagrees with my experience. Best you actually "try them personally" and find out for real.
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TravelAgency
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21896353 - 07/04/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Inocuole said: This shit needs to stop about different cubes giving different flavor trips, the notion is ridiculous, these are not weed. If you think it's different, it's literally something you force yourself to think because of what the mushroom was named by some arbitrary person for some arbitrary reason.
SET & SETTING! It influences about 99% of your trip, the other 1% being the fact that you are indeed tripping.
Potency is one thing, there is no such thing as a "more visual trip" from a different kind of cube, or a more relaxing one, etc.
Some people say pans and other exotic psilocybes offer more visual trips but until I try them personally I can't call those people full of shit yet. But I have a hunch they are unless baeocystin actually does anything noteworthy.
Definitely disagrees with my experience. Best you actually "try them personally" and find out for real. 
They only major difference I noticed was with BNN's- they were just- different. Kinda weird- almost like the differences in the 2C series. I had 6 flushes off a minibulk- and the ecuadorians and golden teachers I was growing simultaneously PFTek style were much like all the other cubes I had. I know there's no science on it, but the science is advancing, maybe there's shit we don't know about yet. It's also hard to quantify "a trip" in any real sense.
But I also agree, whole heartedly with "set and setting".
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MudaFuka
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TravelAgency]
#21896421 - 07/04/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It goes beyond differences in potancy. There are many different active compounds in mushrooms that contribute to how you trip and they can differ greatly from one culture to the next. I have taken many different varieties of cube and a few different active species. I have tripped well over 100 times and I can say frome experience that the high produced from pans is unique. So is the high from pseudoaztecorum. I also have consistently different trips from different cube varieties. I am well aware that set and setting determine the nature of a trip but things like intensity of visuals or body load come from the fruits themselves. The differences become even more apparent in high doses.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898122 - 07/04/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why would the intensity of visuals come from the fruit itself? Body load sure, but intensity of visuals? What chemical does this? I've always been under the impression there are 3 actives in mushrooms, and one, maybe two of them, don't even do anything quantifiable.
Like I said, I'll suspend my disbelief about exotics but cubes? I mean... come on, I've tripped quite a handful of times myself and I always felt that I had the final say, mentally, in how the mushrooms made me feel. Because I've never been willing to associate difference effects with different mushrooms I've never seen them. Perhaps your willingness to associate these things with feelings has everything to do with why you perceive them differently.
I mean, if there's anything out there that ignites and empowers the placebo effect, it's fucking psychedelics.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21898193 - 07/04/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you explain the fact that stones are less visual than cubes if it's all based on mind set. There are 3 main compounds in actives that we know have an affect on us but there are many others that we don't know much about. I'm not sure how it works but I do know that different cultures and species give me different trips. PE visuals are different from KSSS visuals which are different from B+. I'm not talking about taking each one time and having a different trip. Every trip is different but there is some consistency within each variety/species. It's not so hard to accept that the trip from pans or pseudos is different from cubes. So why is it so hard to fathom that PE's trip would differ from KSSS.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898222 - 07/04/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's kind of hard to accept all of these things to be honest. 
If there were other psychoactive substances in mushrooms wouldn't they have been noticed sooner? Wouldn't they be scheduled?
I'm sure every trip would be more or less visual if you ate a habanero pepper while dosing, but that's not the same as there being another psychedelic present.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898231 - 07/04/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree not all things are the same, especially with different genetics. I had a B+ clone that offered almost no visuals but had such strong body load people felt like they were drunk. Other B+ clones were crazy visual. This was confirmed over multiple trips among different people.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21898233 - 07/04/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not psychedelics but who knows what affect the other compounds have on the way our bodies react to the psychedelics. There is still a lot we don't know about mushroom. especially actives.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898235 - 07/04/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: It's not so hard to accept that the trip from pans or pseudos is different from cubes. So why is it so hard to fathom that PE's trip would differ from KSSS.
different species/same species 
There's no doubt in my mind pans, stones and cubes are 3 very different things. pans resembles cubes more than stones do IMO.
but my exp tells me you can get almost whatever you want from whatever variety of cubensis you choose. gt/b+/all those regular ones all have the same potential but I cant say 1 doesnt have different tendencies than the others does. that would require WAY more grows than I've done before I'd even mention it as a possibility.. statistics and all. stoned rambling out!
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898238 - 07/04/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I could buy into that there's maybe some other medicinal substances that aren't outright psychoactive but still affect the general feeling. But this is a really fucking slippery slope. Next we'll have to actually admit that that one guy might have real bad-trip genetics and is justified in burning them in a fire pit.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21898265 - 07/04/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was thinking about this thread while I was posting in his. There's a fine line between what we think and what we know. I base everything I say on my own experience. I have had some cultures that gave more bad trips than others based on the fact that they had an intense body load that some people didn't know how to handle but a lot of people really liked them too so who the fuck knows for sure.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#21898271 - 07/04/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All body load goes away for me after the first hour, no matter how crazy it was. APE seems to give me some serious body load for the come up but I don't give a shit because it's always potent as hell and turns positive pretty easily.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Inocuole]
#21898304 - 07/04/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had 3 different cultures that basically pined you to the floor for the duration of the trip. The PE I grew on Coffee had my entire body shaking and convulsing for 4 hours. I couldn't control a single one of my muscles throughout the entire peek. It was the best trip I've ever had though. I was still getting visuals 12 hours after my trip started. I ate less than an eighth and that trip was more intense than an ounce of my next most potent cubs.
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