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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20192745 - 06/27/14 04:56 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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anybody doing rye and coir is pretty well past cakes i like the idea though
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Fractal420
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: cronicr]
#20192858 - 06/27/14 06:11 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love cakes! I am referring to coir bricks. A small brick is a cake, in my book.
What does that mean, past cakes? I am referring to fruiting in the SGFC rather than a mono. A cake is a mass of mycelium. A monotub contains a large mass of mycelium, but you could take that same mass and fruit 2 or 3 (elevated a bit) in a SGFC. Seems to be a better outcome, though both create fruiting conditions. I guess people like the idea of low-maintenance.
I have had great success with coir/verm/gyp. I basically had a double-SGFC thing going, with small ones (5) in one and then another 2 giant bricks that together filled up a 66qt tub with a tiny bit of room in between. My friend set up a mono, and I had to set one up too due to a complication with my leaving for vacation early (wasn't planned, but I had to set it up. It was really cool and easy, but I didn't get as much as I did fruiting a SGFC with the same size bricks). This is probably because my vacation caused me to cut the experiment after the second flush for the mono, but I'm just comparing those flushes. I think being able to fruit from all sides helps yield. Maybe this was just my experience but after a flush, when there are stumps, the fruit seems to wanna grow elsewhere. In the SGFC, they really thrived from the sides. i think its all the FAE. Again, this is just one experiment.
Also, it seems to me it is true that cubes indeed do not really need a casing layer. I guess my main question is why SGFC stuff is usually just used for PF tek and maybe exotics. Not really as much for bulk grows, but it seems to work VERY well, it's just weird to me I suppose. People assume it's only for beginners using BRF or something. Personally I really like the shotgun. Also I'm not knocking the mono or anything. Just wondering
fruiting 2 bricks in the SGFC is an especially rewarding process. I mean, I guess you don't need 5 individual cakes but the 5 small ones combined were exactly the same amount of spawn and bulk sub as the bricks.
*shrug*
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20192936 - 06/27/14 06:49 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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it seems to me, that your typical monotub-"cake" would take up the majority of surface area of your perlite layer, impeding the flow of things 
It's not unheard of to place several, smaller trays in a SGFC though...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
#20192958 - 06/27/14 06:55 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not true^ elevate the bricks. Flow is the same as usual even with giant bricks. I could upload some more pics as much as Im not a fan of heavy porn (or pm to anyone actually interested). Def does not impede air flow. I feel there's some misconceptions here. But hey, you can look at the pic I posted and tell me if you see better results with *your* monotub *shrug*
I really am happy with my experiments I'm just wondering why other people don't do the SGFC as often I guess. The whole idea was from a different user's sig, where it looked like the perfect yield and everything (bodhisatta) and I just decided to do something similar
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20192975 - 06/27/14 07:03 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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okay
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
#20193025 - 06/27/14 07:21 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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^not arguing with you, 
Just wanted to clear up that this is not the case. I heard that myself many times but it seems to not happen if you, say, cut a tiny water bottle in half and use to hold up the brick. You can set 2 down and that can support a whole brick.
I usually would flip them over and have just as much on the back, although sometimes the fruit was covered in perlite, but that's not a huge problem or anything.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20193046 - 06/27/14 07:28 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have fruited a lot of bulk cakes in my green house and I have also made a few mono and dub tubs. What I have found is the yields are about the same either way. Since each sub only has so many nuts and so much water you can only get so many fruits. Surface aria isn't that important. Bulk cakes are also higher maintenance since they lose moisture more quickly. That being said most of my current grows are bulk cakes and I am really happy with how they are doing.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#20197190 - 06/28/14 01:42 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I LOVE JOHN ALLENs they are on the small side but they were the first ones I ever grew and they never have failed me yet lol
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#20197314 - 06/28/14 02:45 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man are they beautiful...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: jerseyian]
#20197804 - 06/28/14 07:55 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of the varieties I have grown JA are the most aesthetically pleasing.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#20197982 - 06/28/14 09:06 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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THey are, and very easy to grow it seems.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: jerseyian]
#20198046 - 06/28/14 09:26 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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All cubes are very very easy to grow.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#20198225 - 06/28/14 10:10 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: All cubes are very very easy to grow.
Truth. I also never saw a cube that was easier or harder to grow, they're all the same as far as difficulty. The only "challenge" is inoculation and seeing that the spawn gets to 100% nice and healthy. ...
Although I end up doing a good amount of work and timing everything, it's easy, though things like pasteurizing and PCing and grain prep, it's def not hard, just need to do it once and get the hang of it really. The only other problem could be contams but it's really not that bad an issue if you handle everything correctly.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: jerseyian]
#20198249 - 06/28/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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jerseyian said: I LOVE JOHN ALLENs they are on the small side but they were the first ones I ever grew and they never have failed me yet lol
I haven't really seen that around, maybe I missed it, but I've certainly heard of it and John W. Allen is a sort of friend of mine (social media, whatever). But hey I got my hands on some A strain and Dancing Tiger, both of which are awesome in their own way. A strain is really beautiful and golden, and dancing tiger has these really white fruit with interesting shapes, one of the more "warped" looking caps I've ever seen, probably because it's not as domesticated as something like B+ and A strain. "A" seemed to flush a good deal more than DT, but the DT is super strong (both are) to the point where I would not even take more than 2g probably. It actually is a strain that does not look like the rest.
I also mixed them up in one container dry and I can tell the difference between the two fruit. Not the small ones as much but the big ones, they have different colors and quite easy to detect which is which.
Anyway, the only myc that ever "failed me" was treasure coast, because I was still just learning, and back then used a presterilized bag, and it took forever and just got contammed. But that's not the fault of the strain. Though it did seem to be pretty slow (as is dancing tiger, probably the slowest I've ever seen)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: jerseyian]
#20202277 - 06/29/14 08:44 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes it seems to be the case... but from using JA and then switching to B+ and golden teacher I got very poor or no mycelium.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20202282 - 06/29/14 08:48 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said:
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MudaFuka said: All cubes are very very easy to grow.
Truth. I also never saw a cube that was easier or harder to grow, they're all the same as far as difficulty. The only "challenge" is inoculation and seeing that the spawn gets to 100% nice and healthy. ...
Although I end up doing a good amount of work and timing everything, it's easy, though things like pasteurizing and PCing and grain prep, it's def not hard, just need to do it once and get the hang of it really. The only other problem could be contams but it's really not that bad an issue if you handle everything correctly.
Yes, with my very little experience that seems to be the case, after the myc. is colonized its pretty much a done deal, unless some catastrophically stupid happens, lol. I am refining my method of what to do with the colonized grain. There are so many ways people have said to do things and I am already figuring out what I feel works best. I think spawn to bulk is awesome so I am working from that area...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: jerseyian]
#20207023 - 06/30/14 09:42 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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^ from my "sort of limited" knowledge, you either spawn to bulk or you case from grain. I prefer spawning to coir/verm/gyp. A friend of mine is not familiar with coir and so he just cases his spawn, and he gets nice yields but i prefer my way over just simply casing. I tend to see better results with just using CVG mix and no casing at all
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Edited by Fractal420 (06/30/14 09:43 AM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: jerseyian]
#20207128 - 06/30/14 10:19 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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jerseyian said: yes it seems to be the case... but from using JA and then switching to B+ and golden teacher I got very poor or no mycelium.
Mycellium is mycellium... Doesnt matter if its John Allen or Henry Winkler strain, Psilo Cubensis myc all basically grows the same way. From the many different kinds of strains ive seen, ive never seen an actual noticeable difference in the mycellium at all. Maybe some are a bit faster or slower, but even that can vary from one time to another..
I would love to find a good strain archive, like where the hell (I mean, what country, and how) B+ or A strain was found. The only ones i know are the ones i hear of mushroom john bringing back (cambodians and some of the other eastern strains? Although i know now hes focusing on the PNW)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20207393 - 06/30/14 11:46 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't hold your breath. This thread has most of the info in the beginning (or in the beginning of the one before it ).
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: MudaFuka]
#20210336 - 07/01/14 11:32 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I have fruited a lot of bulk cakes in my green house and I have also made a few mono and dub tubs. What I have found is the yields are about the same either way. Since each sub only has so many nuts and so much water you can only get so many fruits. Surface aria isn't that important. Bulk cakes are also higher maintenance since they lose moisture more quickly. That being said most of my current grows are bulk cakes and I am really happy with how they are doing.
So would It be trouble for you to link me to any kind of bulk for dummies link?lol...im just not getting the results i want from brf cakes.
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