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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19978712 - 05/12/14 09:34 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry if I jumped on ya there. Believe me I have my personal fav's as well but, that don't mean that I can't find a culture from any variety that was worth keeping. That's my goal actually, to have at least one decent culture for every variety I have grown or have prints for. Got 9 down and like 20 to go :tongue:


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19979509 - 05/13/14 12:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:
slant slant slant that shit!!
i get what ur saying fractal, it makes sense.  but have u ever had a grow turn out nearly non potent from spores? or even half of it barely potent?  we can't watch genetics in a grow like we can watch conditions.  we can't even draw a correlation btw blue bruising and potency.  its best to use agar to really get some controls in a grow, genetically speaking.  like pasty said, take a print from ANY variety, and if u wanted, u could get SUPER potent, non potent, medium potent, as well as any number of macroscopic features u want.
its interesting that some varieties have a reputation for more potent, or more penis looking, even with MS as the start.  but if u think like a commercial edible grower, would u base ur income on that?  genetics do weird things, the environment those genetics are contained in can do weird things.  best to limit the genetics as much as possible ("clone" or isolate) to get best results.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19985609 - 05/14/14 05:44 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm looking for a fast colonizer and fun cube to watch I started with b+ and want to step up to something more of a challenge my first grow went successfully and I feel I'm gonna try a few more times with cubes then up to azure


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheAlbinoYetti]
    #19985749 - 05/14/14 06:41 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

if you're doing Azures I assume you live in an area where you'll be able to cultivate them outside?

I want to do them, but I have to wait until I move back to Ohio. Florida sucks for everything but Cubes and Pans.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: OH1Ogrown]
    #19985757 - 05/14/14 06:42 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yea I have a colder climate for a outdoor bed but I'm gonna do a comparison when I do it I'll try a indoor one using a old fridge for the low temps


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheAlbinoYetti]
    #19985792 - 05/14/14 06:53 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Good luck my brother! Happy trippin.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheAlbinoYetti]
    #19989967 - 05/15/14 12:36 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I myself love me some cambodians, but to each their own,,,


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: hbettag]
    #19993360 - 05/15/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Seems the problem is: since there's no empirical data, most people have varied experiences, they will say that any cubensis strain can be good or can be bad, and most growers that are at least not brand new understand that a strain can turn out super potent or not that special, that's what I've gathered, and that there is no perfect strain. But the ones I would suggest to the people that ask "what should I try first?"

Try B+. It's pretty resilient and will probably be potent enough. Or Golden Teachers. Those are prefect for those starting with PF tek (not that they're not good for more experienced grows)

This is all very subjective and we don't even have wiki pages for objective reference. So this makes it harder than even a research chemical page. On an rc page you could ask people what their experience with <4-ho-whatever> is, and they might give different answers but it would give you an overall idea of the substance. Here it's too random to give any good advice, PLUS it seems to be hard to phish out detailed histories for the prints,

I wanna know about A strain for example, where did it come from? (Not AA+ or any other variation, just A strain)


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: hbettag]
    #19993381 - 05/15/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I myself love me some cambodians, but to each their own,,,




Also my favs so far and first ones I tried (but I've had others to compare). it seems in my experience, and I'm sure I will be proven wrong unfortunately... But for me every time I've worked with a strain if the sub is identical and the methods of FAE misting and other upkeep (mineral water, other good stuff that stays the same for both projects) the results are ALMOST the same. For example, B+ and Cambodian could both turn out great, but I'd say Cambodian is a more intense experience at the same amount. Not drastically, but just enough to be noticeable.

I've never seen a flush that isn't as potent as another flush from the same myc, but then again, from other people's experiences, I wouldn't be surprised to someday end up with a dud. Hasn't happened yet though, and it's a discouraging thought


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19993612 - 05/15/14 05:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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This is all very subjective and we don't even have wiki pages for objective reference




:orly::ilold:

Good one. :thumbup:  Empirical evidence abounds however, what you seem to be looking for is quantitative potency testing, which is rare, mostly because it's not necessary. :shrug:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19994466 - 05/15/14 08:40 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Where can you find empirical objective evidence concerning the comparing of being strains of cubes? Apparently, I missed that site/article, lol. Seriously, if there is such a thing, I'd love to see some comparisons


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19994472 - 05/15/14 08:43 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

All I see that's at all really historical is info that comes from vendors or shroomerites, which isn't useless at all, but I don't know if I'd call that empirical evidence. But even so, I'd accept real evidence from a fellow shroomy :P


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19995059 - 05/15/14 11:05 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Where can you find empirical objective evidence concerning the comparing of being strains of cubes? Apparently, I missed that site/article, lol. Seriously, if there is such a thing, I'd love to see some comparisons




"Empirical" just means "based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic" it has little to do with subjective/objective.  Like I said, you're looking for quantitative testing done by any of a handful of methods, and unless you go look in the right places (the few studies that are out there, many of them subject to numerous procedural flaws IMHO) you won't find it, for psilocybes even in general.  And no, SFAIK nobody has done what you're asking about for Ps. cubensis varieties.  And what would be the point?  Anybody who's grown numerous strains over time already knows the answer to that one, and you'll see it repeated time after time in this thread.  Which, if you haven't yet read the WHOLE THING, get to it. :thumbup:

Or, lets see here...you could do your own experiments with isolation and potency selection.  Because if you're actually interested in maximizing potency (in which case you oughta check out the Potency Project in my sig), either grow one of the few strains that deliver that, or select isolates, or both.  As people have sort of already said...so maybe I'm not getting the point of your posts... :shrug:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19996133 - 05/16/14 06:15 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

^well I'm not meaning to confuse you. What I meant about having info banks or even a wiki on strains and people's experiments, all in one place. The comment I was originally responding to, I was saying how the only info we get on a strain is usually from the vendor (or through ancient vendor commercials, for B+ for example, the azurescens claim...and that's really all we know about it's origin, just what Mr. G had to relay. AFAIK anyway.

I'm not just talking about potency as that's what people seem to focus on where talking about different cubes. I am truly interested in the origin of specific cubes, and whether for example, the Hawaiian is just plain made up and mislabeled or whether there's a record of it being found in Hawaii. Why not take a pic of the wild parent mushrooms? Certainly would sell the story more, and you could compare how it looked wild vs what it looks like now.

As I said, if I look up a random research chem that's interesting to me, I can find out who synthesized it for the first time, and usually a wealth of good info, even if its something that's only been around for less than 5 years. People put together massive research projects for things like that, not even meaning to. I was just saying a similar thing for cubes would be cool. Like you said, it might be pointless for potency reasons but I'd love to know the history of diff cubes. That's really my main point, sorry if I confused you, I'm dealing with a 101 fever so writing is a bit tougher than usual


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19996142 - 05/16/14 06:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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This is all very subjective and we don't even have wiki pages for objective reference




:orly::ilold:

Good one. :thumbup:  Empirical evidence abounds however, what you seem to be looking for is quantitative potency testing, which is rare, mostly because it's not necessary. :shrug:

:peace:PS




Not just potency testing at all. Just a data bank. And again alot of people will think it's pointless since MS is fairly random. Anyway, just a thought

Aesthetic traits, origin, maybe some microscopic images, a couple grow experiences and their results. And if possible, pics of the original mushrooms. Just literally data on different cubes. There are brief descriptions at the beginning of this thread, and if you were to add to that, make each one about a page with actual info. Maybe generation after generation. It's interesting for me to know about, for example, the gathering of the Cambodian at Angkor Wat and the exact location. Was it really right outside the temple on the coast or was it within 100 miles? It's just trivia really but it's interesting to me. It's def not just a potency thing
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19996167 - 05/16/14 06:31 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i also find it interesting, origins, history and whatnot.  i just think it would be hard to really get a comprehensive page of data on it that included more info than Rose's page.  if u go to any vendor here, they have info on OG location, grow pics, etc, is that what u are looking for? 
if i were someone with enough passion for this variety stuff, i would think it would be pretty easy to troll around the site one day and grab shots from posts, old and new, of many varieties, and assemble them into something like Rose has if u really wanted to show the differences in phenotypes within each variety.  then, as u went on, I'm sure u could gather more info on variety original location and any history that might be interesting.  i would only include pics of ppl who u trusted, and knew what they were doing.  esp since many will buy spores from non vendors, and get shipped any number of varieties labeled as something hyped up, so u gotta be "as sure as possible" the spore source is legit:shrug:  i dunno just an idea, seems like u are interested enough u could pull something off


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19996197 - 05/16/14 06:45 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I also saw a page of a shroomerite, I forget the name, but he had PF cakes with almost every known strain and pics of each one. THAT was super interesting. I'll try and find it again

PS just checked out Rose's log, very similar to the other one I'd seen with cakes. Awesome stuff, thanks!


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19996202 - 05/16/14 06:47 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i mean, i usually go to spore works and look at pics there if I'm curious about what a certain variety looks like.  workman is super smart dude.  slowly untangling the web of varieties and species one day at a time.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19997670 - 05/16/14 01:17 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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I'm not just talking about potency as that's what people seem to focus on where talking about different cubes.




No it's not. A lot of people grow different strains for the variety of phenotypes, because, basically, except for a few exceptional strains, potency is pretty much the same across standard cubes.

I like the Wiki idea, though, you should build it. :thumbup:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19999358 - 05/16/14 08:27 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

blue meanies seem okay, if anyone is wondering. I could never get a large fruit from it however.


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