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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19968975 - 05/10/14 06:42 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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A Strain The A Strain is a classic cube. It was originally marketed by Mr. G., "Creator" of the B+.
A Strain is well domesticated, and a good candidate for multispore inoculation.
Albino A+ comes from a recent mutation of the A Strain.
Albino A+ The Albino A+ is a unique cube.
According to Workman from www.sporeworks.com, the Albino A+ is a recent leucistic mutation of Mr. G's A Strain. This means it is not a true albino, just very pale, with almost white flesh. A true albino wouldn't have dark spores. A+ does. Albino A+ caps sometimes have a sharp nipple. Not a prolific fruiter, but better than most true albinos. Because of its dark spores, AA+ may be a good candidate for crossing with other cubes. If you are interested in albinos, but you want to print them easily, you may wish to look at Albino A+.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Happy Littletree]
#19970769 - 05/11/14 06:08 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im curious. Where did ypu get A Strain from? It doesnt seem very common these days. And I cant say Ive ever seen it in the FSPT.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#19970832 - 05/11/14 07:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looking for the best strain for the easiest, non-temperamental growing..... be back after I read these 150 pages...
Edit: how viable would indoor cultivation of psilocybe subaeruginosa be?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Mineral]
#19970913 - 05/11/14 07:55 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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^B+ is easy, resilient and domesticated, use that one. I would say this A strain is very aggressive but I haven't seen fruits yet so I don't wanna recommend just yet
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19970994 - 05/11/14 08:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most cubes are just cubes. If you want typical results then just avoid mutants like PE, APE, PEU, and KSSS. If you want mutants and weird fruits then chose the ones I just listed. Albinos are also cool
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19971022 - 05/11/14 08:29 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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They also do have genetic differences like the size of flush or speed of colonization. How rhizomorphic the growth is. For example. Even with PF cakes. Use 10cakes. 5 of B+ 5 of something like Dancing Tiger or Orissa, you will know they're not the same just by looking. Inversely, if you use the same syringe on all 10 cakes, they'll be pretty similar to each other.
I think origin e.g. Central America vs Asia impacts the genes quite a bit
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19971043 - 05/11/14 08:36 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have never noticed differences in cubensis mycelium from variety to variety in a jar. there are different kinds of mycelium like tomentose and rhizomorphic and linear, but that applies to all cube varieties, and to hundreds of species of fungi. some like shiitaki and maitaki will have very whispy growth, others will have very thick and ropey growth. growth can also be affected by the media and nutrients used, as well as what ratio they are used in.
it is very hard for me to believe anyone could pic out what variety of cube was in a brf/grain/lc jar based on mycelial growth.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19971046 - 05/11/14 08:37 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said: I think origin e.g. Central America vs Asia impacts the genes quite a bit
I agree with this to a certain extent. However, most of the domesticated varieties were domesticated with the same desired traits in mind. After several generations the amount of variability drops off quite significantly. Fact is that until you have done quite a few grows, the subtle differences are often unnoticed. For a new cultivator, the differences are meaningless and so its good for them to just start with something and have no preconceived notions like B+ is easy or Cambodians are potent.
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blindingleaf said: it is very hard for me to believe anyone could pic out what variety of cube was in a brf/grain/lc jar based on mycelial growth.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19971053 - 05/11/14 08:40 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is more about species, but I find this interesting, John W. Allen may have found a new one, a potent one at that.
He said it only showed up in Seattle like 3 times so far

It was described as "here is an image of one of 4 unidentified species....caps have texture of leather and suede (won't let me copy fully). But it's just about studying PNW species. Apparently these are pretty potent. They look like cyanescens but apparently they're not, and he said they're doing DNA tests. He also uploaded a pic of a patch that was hit by a lawnmower.

As I said, these are all Mushroom John's pics and experiments, and I take no credit for them, just wanna see what you guys think. Apparently it's a species that does well in the cold? He says it's unlikely vendors will get their hands on prints.i want one 

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19971313 - 05/11/14 10:10 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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any article or anytrhing for that? where did this info come from? whe did this happen? is it a spring fruiter?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: cronicr]
#19971524 - 05/11/14 11:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's actually from one of his Facebook groups, I felt this was good to share. As far as I've heard from him, no articles or anything, but they're analyzing 4 new species. This particular thread says "I doubt that it will go to vendors at all for a long time as it is a cold weather species that shows up about every three to four years or so in Seattle at least. But there are those who have carried a lot of my early strains and some vendors still have original prints of those very first strains as I and my friends also helped develop them."
He's a cool guy. And I'd love to learn about these species. You guys can request to join the group, of course! (Pm me if interested, as I don't wanna publically leave the name of a private group that I don't own, but he wants mushroom lovers). Also. Facebook is creepy. We all know that. (Well I feel it is)
Oh, and here's a pic of some pins of that same species. I can imagine the leather-like cap thing, otherwise, looks alot like P cyanescens. I wish there was an article, no just FB debate. It doesn't even have a name yet)

Of course all pics are his, to the best of my knowledge. I just feel like sharing this new species, cause to me it's exciting, and it's supposedly really potent (probably similar to cyanescens and by looking at it, it's probably a close relative, maybe even a strange type or mutation, who knows for now. But he says it's a new species). Btw, he also claims Cyanescens is the most potent psilocybe. Not azures, which I find interesting. I wonder what you guys think of that
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19971539 - 05/11/14 11:14 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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the potency thing will never go away, it's gonna be one of the cyans (pan or psilo)or azures, this i would bet is mainly dependent on the genetics of the given fruits, some are str=onger then otheres but i'd say all three are fairly cloe or at least close enough you could label any one the strongest with good arguement
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: cronicr]
#19971543 - 05/11/14 11:15 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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but back to the regular sheduled program, i got some psilocybe quila from captain which i don't see any info in rose's journal, maybe an update needed there
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
#19971585 - 05/11/14 11:24 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: i have never noticed differences in cubensis mycelium from variety to variety in a jar. there are different kinds of mycelium like tomentose and rhizomorphic and linear, but that applies to all cube varieties, and to hundreds of species of fungi. some like shiitaki and maitaki will have very whispy growth, others will have very thick and ropey growth. growth can also be affected by the media and nutrients used, as well as what ratio they are used in.
it is very hard for me to believe anyone could pic out what variety of cube was in a brf/grain/lc jar based on mycelial growth.
No I meant the fruit if its 2 strains, 5 jars and 5 jars, and unmarked
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19971778 - 05/11/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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i would still have trouble telling differences btw varieties by looking at the fruits, with a few exceptions  maybe if i had clones and isolates that i was so familiar with, it would be possible. but have u ever seen what can happen when ur tub is REALLY moist and humid, vs when u leave top two poly out, and the extra FAE almost lightens the color on the caps? environment can affect macroscopic appearances of even predictable isolates.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
#19971896 - 05/11/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm referring more so to PF cakes and just looking mostly at first and second flush pin to mature progression and traits. Some examples color of pin at the start and how the caps end up looking, vs a different strain (i did this with cambo and B+, I could tell from the size of the pin clusters and the color which were the combos, those had an obvious red color, and B+ was kind of white with brown instead of red). Also the same exact cakes, all the Cambodians got spent after exactly 4 flushes, and every B+ went on for 5 or more increasingly small flushes (but remaining fully white and healthy, cambos had long gone gray). In the end, both gave the same amount, because cambos flushed much more at a time. Cambos also ended up slightly more potent, but both are great and for me 2g of either is awesome, and 1g is alot more than noticeable. But with Cambodians, there's more of a kind of anxious intensity. I've always attributed this to psilocin (it happens with most 4ho-xxx and pure psilo)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19972198 - 05/11/14 02:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very interesting
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: piratez]
#19972210 - 05/11/14 02:05 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Potency is genetic. My last cambo isolate turned out pretty meh on the potency. Has pretty much nothing to do with what variety you use.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19972247 - 05/11/14 02:16 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Potency is genetic. My last cambo isolate turned out pretty meh on the potency. Has pretty much nothing to do with what variety you use.
What your saying is somewhat contradictory. The variety you choose IS genetic lineage.
Yes specific isolates of any given strain will vary in potency (or whatever characteristics you look for) from others, but its ridiculous to disregard lineage.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Nemodeus]
#19972281 - 05/11/14 02:26 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not really considering the amount of differential within said lineage. All African Americans can be said to have the same genetic lineage and many common traits exist but, both Shaq and Gary Colman are African americans, do you think they are that similar? How about Michael Jackson compared to Barry Bonds? They are identical right?
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