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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Fractal420]
#19783901 - 04/02/14 12:52 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't trust any estimates of potency variations between wild and cultivated no matter the source. But potency can and does vary, irregardless.
In this thread we've been cultivating first and second gen wild Florida Purple Mystics. It's a good read. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19784404 - 04/02/14 02:47 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've got some 3rd gen….should I hold a contest?
The PE was cased today. I'll definitely be holding a contest if I get some spores out of the lot.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19796618 - 04/04/14 09:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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informative thread thanks
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: grind1]
#19806261 - 04/06/14 11:52 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the info
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: grind1]
#19808219 - 04/07/14 02:15 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Favorite strain to grow for trips?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rickingballs]
#19808319 - 04/07/14 02:43 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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gotta try em all man, each trip will be different, each mushroom will be different.
u could take b+ in the jungle and have this amazing spiritual nature like journey, and then the next month, take it at a party and laugh ur ass off. its has as much to do with set and setting, ur intention going into it, and psychological make up as it has to do with the mushrooms u r taking
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
#19810643 - 04/07/14 10:56 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can anyone recommend to me a strain/variety that is known to produce larger fruits, and also one that is more on the "visual" side (and of at least average potency, but preferably on the stronger side)?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bengal]
#19811098 - 04/08/14 12:42 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocybe cubensis, and any VARIETY thereof. go to any vendor we have and buy cubensis spores. grow them, take them. grow more, take more. take prints, trade with others, start agar work. there is no "visual" variety. ppl say PE is more potent, and sometimes they say KSSS is more potent, but nothing is gaurunteed until u start isolating genetics with agar.
also, read the first page of this thread we are in now, the third post down by kOOlaid, will give a knowledge smack down son! seriously tho, check it out. its important to know.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
#19811432 - 04/08/14 02:24 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bengal]
#19812130 - 04/08/14 08:44 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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bengal said: Can anyone recommend to me a strain/variety that is known to produce larger fruits, and also one that is more on the "visual" side (and of at least average potency, but preferably on the stronger side)?
I would start with psilocybe cubensis, any variety pick any name you like the most.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#19812601 - 04/08/14 10:52 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the insight guys. So far i've grown two variety of psilocybe cubensis, being oakridge and golden teacher. The golden teacher's fruited to a nice size, however I was a bit dissapointed in the effects/potency. Oakridge was better, but were super small fruits. I believe I narrowed it down to genetics for Oakridge resulting in the small fruits, but i'd really like to get a grow going with decent/good size fruits with a nice effect. I have a new batch of MS colonizing now from the same syringe, so hopefully when it fruits ill get a nice clone cluster. But I was also thinking of trying out a new strain such as an asian strain such as Cambodians or Ban Hua Thanon. Or would you guys say that they really won't be that much different, and to first be able to achieve good grows with my current spores?
I know people same a cubensis is a cubensis, but surely some are known to be larger fruiters? Or can consistent large fruits be achieved with any variety, as it is just a result of good cloning or isolation? Also I know people say that no different varieties should have different effects on the trip, such as some being more visual or more of a body high, but I am not certain of this. Its very difficult to judge as there are so many factors such as setting, mood, dosage, and of course potency. I have definitely had hugely different trips in regards to visuals, body highs, mind trips, etc, but I am never certain whether the differences were actually caused by the strain. However, that being said, is there any varieties/strains that you've at least had really good visual experiences with, without it necessarily being known as a visual strain?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bengal]
#19812614 - 04/08/14 10:55 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The golden teacher's fruited to a nice size, however I was a bit dissapointed in the effects/potency. Oakridge was better, but were super small fruits.
and the next time you grow you have the same chance of it being the other way around.
every variety has the genetic information to produce large potent fruits you just have to find them and isolate those characteristics
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#19812634 - 04/08/14 11:02 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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The golden teacher's fruited to a nice size, however I was a bit dissapointed in the effects/potency. Oakridge was better, but were super small fruits.
and the next time you grow you have the same chance of it being the other way around.
every variety has the genetic information to produce large potent fruits you just have to find them and isolate those characteristics
Okay awesome. I was thinking that, but I just needed clarification to the fact. Then I won't order any new spores for now, and will try to improve the two I have now. Quick question in regards to spore syringes vs individual prints. Is there a difference in gamble? Individual spore prints contain many many strains also correct? If so, what is the reasoning for using prints from the "best" looking fruits? Would there not be the same gamble regardless of if it was a print from a nice large fruit, or small fruit? (Unfortunately I did not have any agar at the time of my first grow, so I was only able to take prints and not clones)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bengal]
#19812704 - 04/08/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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prints and syringes are the same. There's more spores on the average print than there are in a syringe but you can't use all the spores at once anyway so it really doesn't matter.
If you found a wild mushroom and took a print from the biggest one for 20 generations the chances would go up that you would keep seeing big mushrooms but you really don't have to print any special mushroom any of the ones you print even small ones have the genes somewhere in there to make bomb ass mushrooms you just have to find them. it won't be any harder or easier if your print came from a big or small mushroom. these varieties all should theoretically have come from a wild cube that went through 10+ generations to limit heterozygoticity for certain traits in favor of homozygoticity so those traits would show up more often but even still you can make a bomb B+ just as you can make a bomb GT etc...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#19812837 - 04/08/14 11:51 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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All of this is great info. Thanks Bodhisatta. Will definitely opt for "improving" (if you will), the current strains I have now. I am probably going to work on my oakridge, as although the fruits haven't been all that large and the growth has been uneven, the fruits are super dense and I have a nice pinset for my first mono... just waiting for those large fruits to clone! Heres some pics I just took,

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bengal]
#19812852 - 04/08/14 11:54 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
#19818187 - 04/09/14 12:35 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: gotta try em all man, each trip will be different, each mushroom will be different.
u could take b+ in the jungle and have this amazing spiritual nature like journey, and then the next month, take it at a party and laugh ur ass off. its has as much to do with set and setting, ur intention going into it, and psychological make up as it has to do with the mushrooms u r taking
See, that's why I like ms. I like not knowing what I'm going to get, its more natural
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: spirit_shadow]
#19818193 - 04/09/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wtf? Quoted wrong post....but you all get the point lol
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: spirit_shadow]
#19821028 - 04/09/14 10:08 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey guys just wondering if anyone of you know what variety the blue meanie actually is or what it's close to?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: otown87]
#19821230 - 04/09/14 10:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh…there's a good example of vendor shysterism, and why we really should be using scientific names instead of common names.... The "blue meanie" is the common name for Panaeolus cyanescens, but there's also a cubensis variety sold as "Blue Meanie". There could be a number of reasons for this, but the most probable is that someone was attempting to fool noobs into believing they were cultivating Pan cyans (which are much stronger than cubes) to sell spores. Some people insist that the Blue Meanie cube is actually a cross between a Pan cyan and a cube, but this is horseshit.
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