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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Robert Fortune]
#18847713 - 09/16/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm, interesting. Post your results!
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please *DELETED* [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18848278 - 09/16/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18848672 - 09/16/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's what I've heard. Saw a few incredible grows of syzygy so that was one of my choices. Really excited about this. LC > large substrate spawn bag > fruiting large aluminum tins = easy! or much easier than my primary crop!
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Robert Fortune]
#18852440 - 09/17/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there an Iranian cube? If not do you think it just needs to be discovered?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: R4V4N4]
#18852610 - 09/17/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know if anyone from the west would dare go to Iran to look for a drug that is likely illegal there...and I doubt many Iranians would cross that line either...don't forget...they might cut your head off for breaking Islamic laws against drug use..
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Nakor420]
#18854797 - 09/17/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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its not drugs its science! I dont think anyone that would behead you over a spore print would even know they are looking at
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: R4V4N4]
#18857051 - 09/18/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the hard liners would view it differently.. and they actually have very good scientists and engineers in Iran despite heavy sanctions, just saying if you were caught with the fruit, or if someone caught onto it, they might kill you, or at least toss you in prison for a long time. They live by the quran over there...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Nakor420]
#18860472 - 09/18/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They grow very large opium poppy fields over there--it's a major cash crop. And "hashish" is an Arabic word...it likely originated in the Middle East, though it's mostly made in India now. There's even a city in Iran called Hashish, but that's neither here nor there. My point is, no offense dude, but you're talking outta your ass...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18861164 - 09/19/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah...the opium fields are almost all in Afghanistan, and when the Taliban was in power they had almost eradicated poppy production...one year after the US invasion, Afghanistan was producing 95% of the worlds supply...sorry, no offence...but YOU are the one talking out of your ass. There are no poppy fields in Iran.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Nakor420]
#18862851 - 09/19/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just assumed that by "over there" you were talking about the entire Middle East, which is what most Americans do and it pisses me off. People make sweeping generalizations about the Middle East all the time and it's a thing for me. In Iran, despite the fact that their president is a complete nutcase and their government doesn't represent them (c'mon, neither does America's), most of the people are relatively sane. Most "live by the Koran" about as much as Americans "live by the Bible". You're not going to see pork chops on the menu, though. They've got some regular people and some crazies, just like everywhere. The crazies end up on TV. Seriously, our government media propaganda machine creates this evil picture of Middle Eastern culture for a reason. I don't know specific drug laws in Iran, they're probably up their with America's, possibly more culturally lax among men. People think "brown people inthe Middle East" and they immediately think every country there is like Afghanistan. Afghanistan is a godforsaken hellhole, if you're talking fucked up (sort of) religious crap, that's it right there.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18862916 - 09/19/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, but the opinion of the common man matters for nothing in a theocracy like that...it's the opinion of that nutcase that matters...and under sharia law....drugs = execution... just sayin' it could happen
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18863246 - 09/19/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BittrBuffalo said: In Iran, despite the fact that their president is a complete nutcase and their government doesn't represent them (c'mon, neither does America's), most of the people are relatively sane. Most "live by the Koran" about as much as Americans "live by the Bible". You're not going to see pork chops on the menu, though.
I am under the impression that Ahmadinejad represents his people well and pushes for a more secular approach to Islam and his dealings with the world. He basically states that if the holocaust did happen why do Palestinians have to suffer for it and that if there was democracy in Israel there would not be an Israel. He represents all of his people more than the rest of the governing body. He was the one that tried to to have women allowed at the football stadium it was the others that would not let the bill pass. Freedom to enjoy life the way you see fit in Iran is constantly in a precarious state usually undertaken in private rooms in an urban setting.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: R4V4N4]
#18863936 - 09/19/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously though...we can't act like the American government doesn't legislate the holy text of its predominant religion. Take any social law, for instance. We get bent outta shape when we hear about Iran making it compulsory for post-pubescent women to cover their hair in the presence of men, but we think nothing of the fact that teh ladies can get arrested for showing their titties in public. You know what would benefit America? More titties. MOAR TITTEHS!
Anyway, I'm pretty sure you can only be sentenced to death for "drug trafficking" in Iran, not drug use. (You can in America, too...for reals, look it up) And it's civil law, not sharia. Alcohol is illegal, though. Somehow tobacco "doesn't count" with Islam and most of the non-Turkish Muslims I know won't touch alcohol but smoke like chimneys. I think most of the sharia-punishments consist of getting getting your ass beat in public.
I think Ahmadinejad is a nutcase for the shit he pulled with the last election. He's not the entire government...people make him sound like this horrible guy, but I think he's just got a monster ego and he's vocal about not liking Israel. He's not a huge fan of the American government, either, and America can't take criticism for shit. Most countries let us puff up and blow our smoke and don't fuck with us because they don't want any trouble, but that guy is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face. Persian culture is pretty conservative, moreso than Arab culture. Hey man, it's the part of the world that birthed the whole Code of Hammurabi eye-for-an-eye tooth-for-a-tooth bidness. The old stuffy men who make the laws aren't going to let gay men fuck anytime soon. Why we can't just say, "Yeah, whatever dude, fighting with you is soooo not worth our time," and let those people be is beyond me. Well, no, not really. I'm sure it's all very calculated to produce a favorable end for someone or some people who stand to make mountains of cash over it.
OH HAI NSA! Anything I may have said in the above post is purely for entertainment value and may consist entirely of bullshit.
I may have to make that my sig.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18864154 - 09/19/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18864310 - 09/19/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is SO off topic now...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18866311 - 09/20/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:


'Tis true.
Whaddya got that's cube-spore-varietal related?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18867305 - 09/20/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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As a first time grower, I can say that THERE ARE distinct differences between "strains" of P. Cubensis.
My first point has to be made by structuring the way we see the cultivation of mushrooms. In the point of view of a user of the mushrooms, yes, there are absolutely not differences in the way the chemistry affects your body. Cubensis have their set psilocybin and psilocin ratios compared to other varieties of species that contain the same psychoactive substances. As growers and cultivators of the species of P. Cubensis we need to see ourselves as mycologists or rather SCIENTISTS who are studying the growth parameters and differences between the mushrooms which we are cultivating. So I understand the argument that a "cube is a cube" in the pretense of USERS of the psychoactive substances but as GROWERS (SCIENTISTS), we need to take the subjective viewpoint that we are observing different genetic traits being played out under variations and parameters in the environment...
Here are my observations as a CULTIVATOR (SCIENTIST) of P. Cubensis: I started out with ordering multi-spore syringes online. I had ordered two different varieties. One was "Golden Teachers" and the other was "Costa Rican". I noticed huge differences in not only the speed of colonization but also the colors of the mycelia. Golden Teachers had a beautiful white and fluffy texture with a somewhat slower growth pattern than the Costa Ricans. The Costa Rican mycelia had an almost greyish, off-tone to the mycelia and it seemed a bit weaker than the golden teacher but it colonized at a steady, no-holds-bar pace.
Now when it came down to fruiting, they were both put into the same fruiting chamber given the same conditions to thrive in. A fundamental difference during fruiting was the size... The Golden Teacher strain had massive fruits that were an average of 3-4x the size of the Costa Rican fruits. From there, I noticed HUGE differences in the way these two strains formed their fruit bodies. The Costa Rican fruit bodies developed and matured way faster than the Golden Teachers. The Costa Rican fruits would form the cap first and then grow the stalk which caused obvious lack in size and strength of the tissue of the mushroom. The veil was formed as the cap was formed which made it very hard to tell when the mushroom was actually going to mature and open it's cap, tearing the veil. The Costa Rican pins also had caps that turned brown right away while on the contrary, the Golden Teacher caps started as an off-brown, blackish color with little "skin flakes" around the cap. The Costa Rican did not feature these "skin flakes". The Golden Teachers developed the body first before the cap. Basically the Golden Teachers would form into fat mutant looking bodies that would then extend outward until finally reaching a size perfect for maturing. The maturing process then showed complete differences. As the Golden Teachers matured, the caps began to finally show the nice brownish tone that Cubensis show opposite of the Costa Ricans having brown tone throughout the fruit formation. Another key difference between them is that the Costa Ricans refused to grow any bigger during the maturing stage of opening the cap and breaking the veil. On the contrary, while the Golden Teacher's were maturing, they were still growing bigger and bigger as the cap finally began to open and break the veil. Overall, both fruits formed into two distinctly different mushrooms that both contain psilocybin and psilocin...
So as cultivators of the species P. Cubensis, we need to have a fundamental understanding that yes, a cube is a cube and will contain the same percentage of psilocybin and psilocin. But when viewing the formation of fruits subjectively, we find that there are distinct differences between genetics when it comes down to the looks of the shroom. As a cultivator, I would much rather watch my Golden Teachers grow than my Costa Ricans because the Golden Teachers had traits that I liked and would prefer to observe in the future...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ziggity]
#18867614 - 09/20/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ziggity said: As a first time grower, I can say that THERE ARE distinct differences between "strains" of P. Cubensis.
My first point has to be made by structuring the way we see the cultivation of mushrooms. In the point of view of a user of the mushrooms, yes, there are absolutely not differences in the way the chemistry affects your body. Cubensis have their set psilocybin and psilocin ratios compared to other varieties of species that contain the same psychoactive substances. As growers and cultivators of the species of P. Cubensis we need to see ourselves as mycologists or rather SCIENTISTS who are studying the growth parameters and differences between the mushrooms which we are cultivating. So I understand the argument that a "cube is a cube" in the pretense of USERS of the psychoactive substances but as GROWERS (SCIENTISTS), we need to take the subjective viewpoint that we are observing different genetic traits being played out under variations and parameters in the environment...
Here are my observations as a CULTIVATOR (SCIENTIST) of P. Cubensis: I started out with ordering multi-spore syringes online. I had ordered two different varieties. One was "Golden Teachers" and the other was "Costa Rican". I noticed huge differences in not only the speed of colonization but also the colors of the mycelia. Golden Teachers had a beautiful white and fluffy texture with a somewhat slower growth pattern than the Costa Ricans. The Costa Rican mycelia had an almost greyish, off-tone to the mycelia and it seemed a bit weaker than the golden teacher but it colonized at a steady, no-holds-bar pace.
Now when it came down to fruiting, they were both put into the same fruiting chamber given the same conditions to thrive in. A fundamental difference during fruiting was the size... The Golden Teacher strain had massive fruits that were an average of 3-4x the size of the Costa Rican fruits. From there, I noticed HUGE differences in the way these two strains formed their fruit bodies. The Costa Rican fruit bodies developed and matured way faster than the Golden Teachers. The Costa Rican fruits would form the cap first and then grow the stalk which caused obvious lack in size and strength of the tissue of the mushroom. The veil was formed as the cap was formed which made it very hard to tell when the mushroom was actually going to mature and open it's cap, tearing the veil. The Costa Rican pins also had caps that turned brown right away while on the contrary, the Golden Teacher caps started as an off-brown, blackish color with little "skin flakes" around the cap. The Costa Rican did not feature these "skin flakes". The Golden Teachers developed the body first before the cap. Basically the Golden Teachers would form into fat mutant looking bodies that would then extend outward until finally reaching a size perfect for maturing. The maturing process then showed complete differences. As the Golden Teachers matured, the caps began to finally show the nice brownish tone that Cubensis show opposite of the Costa Ricans having brown tone throughout the fruit formation. Another key difference between them is that the Costa Ricans refused to grow any bigger during the maturing stage of opening the cap and breaking the veil. On the contrary, while the Golden Teacher's were maturing, they were still growing bigger and bigger as the cap finally began to open and break the veil. Overall, both fruits formed into two distinctly different mushrooms that both contain psilocybin and psilocin...
So as cultivators of the species P. Cubensis, we need to have a fundamental understanding that yes, a cube is a cube and will contain the same percentage of psilocybin and psilocin. But when viewing the formation of fruits subjectively, we find that there are distinct differences between genetics when it comes down to the looks of the shroom. As a cultivator, I would much rather watch my Golden Teachers grow than my Costa Ricans because the Golden Teachers had traits that I liked and would prefer to observe in the future...
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Nakor420]
#18867628 - 09/20/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ziggity...pretty much everything you just said is completely wrong.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: ziggity]
#18867937 - 09/20/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ziggity said: As a first time grower, I can say that THERE ARE distinct differences between "strains" of P. Cubensis.
This is technically true but only if you are using it in the scientifically correct context which you are not.
Since you are using the word 'strain' in a sang manner by referring to their collection location as 'strain' you are not quite on the money.
If you were to say one strain of Cambodians were different than another strain of Cambodians you grew that would be the correct context to say that strains are different.
Cambodian vs Treasure coast vs Ecuadorian spores....? They are all the same species, Psilocybe cubensis.
A cube is a cube my friend.
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