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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Blackd0ve420]
    #18610382 - 07/25/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I just got acquainted with Cambodians as my first grow, and they may not have those monstrous stems, but lots and lots of pins equalling lots and lots of smaller but full mushrooms (so huge amounts of caps), and they seem quite potent. Don't grow if you want monstrous sized fruits (although a couple did turn out pretty big, 60-80g, but its much more common to see lots of small ones end up around that weigh). Each flush was a consistent 4-7g (dunked for 16hr or so, 8 cakes), and lots of small mushies seemed to dry much quicker than a few big ones. As far as "B+ and hollow stems", when dry, these feel as if they're hollow as well, but they still weigh a good amount, maybe not as much as PE, but this is really my only experience with this.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Jot]
    #19062557 - 10/31/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would highly recommend Cambodians for a first time :smile:

Great potency and also great quantity and can be pulled off very well even by a first-timer. b+ is good too but probably not quite as rewarding for beginners (but definitely teaches alot! And they come out very strong no matter what strain).

I know that someone who was in a very similar situation to you ended up with Cambodians that were active at less than .5 and all stages went super smoothly. These same cubes, taking over 2g and you are in hyperspace, no exaggeration. Also each cake would produce over 30g almost every flush. This is very different from B+ which gives large fruit but not in huge abundance (at least not with BRF), you want a classic cube.

Cambodian, Golden Teacher, Ecuador, stay away from Albino and Penis Envy for now, I would suggest. Get into the more novel strains (even B+) when you're familiar with a basic cube, and I think I'm in love with Cambodians.

(Btw I am NOT AT ALL dissing B+ its just the last one I've seen in development and its amazing but maybe not the best for a first time when you want easy rewards. B+ is very forgiving and resilient but doesn't shower with fruit, IMO, but makes up with potency and harvest over time, more flushes)


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19068599 - 11/01/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I would highly recommend Cambodians for a first time :smile:

Great potency and also great quantity and can be pulled off very well even by a first-timer. b+ is good too but probably not quite as rewarding for beginners (but definitely teaches alot! And they come out very strong no matter what strain).

I know that someone who was in a very similar situation to you ended up with Cambodians that were active at less than .5 and all stages went super smoothly. These same cubes, taking over 2g and you are in hyperspace, no exaggeration. Also each cake would produce over 30g almost every flush. This is very different from B+ which gives large fruit but not in huge abundance (at least not with BRF), you want a classic cube.

Cambodian, Golden Teacher, Ecuador, stay away from Albino and Penis Envy for now, I would suggest. Get into the more novel strains (even B+) when you're familiar with a basic cube, and I think I'm in love with Cambodians.

(Btw I am NOT AT ALL dissing B+ its just the last one I've seen in development and its amazing but maybe not the best for a first time when you want easy rewards. B+ is very forgiving and resilient but doesn't shower with fruit, IMO, but makes up with potency and harvest over time, more flushes)




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SUBJECTIVE REPORT. Talking about different strains? I'm trying to advise a newer person than me as to "what strain" they should start with. That's my opinion. Nothing too weird about that, unless its that same old "a cube is a cube" stuff. There are pretty big differences in how a strain gives off its fruit, I've noticed, some more rewarding than others. And not even factors like FAE, etc. for example B+ doesn't give huge amounts when done on BRF it seems. What's more attractive to a first-timer? I don't see how, considering this is where we discuss "strains", its anything to facepalm yourself about :P


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Re: Fruiting pan tropicalis pf tek ( pan-cake) [Re: nne-DeMiTri]
    #19411565 - 01/13/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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In that case does anyone have any opinions on  b+ and, or cambodian?




Those were my first choices for PF tek, in the opposite order, both are amazing, quite different too, they have different appearances, both are easy to cultivate, but id say B+ is even more resilient, it also seems to keep pumping out mushies for longer. Giving a subjective experience: id say B+ is easier to do with PF, maybe a bit less intense in the psychedelic zone but also more relaxing and chill trip (still very potent, .6 was my test dose and was almost level 2, more than noticeable). Cambos seem to be very strong and if I know anything (from experiences with 4-ho-xxx subs) cambos seemed to feel more like psilocin and less like psilocybin and psilacetin, but that could be subjective (I find psilocybin and 4aco to be jeweled, divine, god-like, visual, whereas things like psilocin and 4-ho-dipt are more intense and even very "electric". I would say psilocin feels like a much higher, faster frequency, with more anxiety, and psilocybin has a slower, more wave-like form. But again, this is just my experience.

As far as pure cultivation, from what I've seen, with all other things being equal and same quality of care, B+ had a higher total yield but over more flushes (actually up to like 11 flushes per cake, but decreasing in size). First two flushes were pretty massive, not really big fruit, but maybe like 6g average per cake at first, going down in eact flush to eventually just flushing one big mushy per cake per flush. The cambos were completely different in that there were only about 4-5 flushes, but each one was HUGE. In fact, that stuff you hear about B+ being huge, I had WAY bigger cambos, some were true monsters, one weighing in around 80g fresh, and it was like the second cake id ever even seen. Cambos had consistently massive flushes but not as many of them. In the end, there was more B+ but it took more time, although if I really had to compare, I like the cambos. Bs are great too, and the experience is amazing for either, but for a first time, I don't regret going with cambos. However, you'll be happy with either and B+ might be a better choice for beginners. It's like they say, a cube is a cube. Just go for a classic and you won't be disappointed either way. whatever you find more interesting. Cambos are from an ancient, beautiful temple and have that eastern cube look (LOL) a tiny bit like Fiji or other exotic "strains". They're also known for their potency. Bs are known for their ease, and their size, but I personally didn't see any HUGE B+

Oh yeah, and of course these are MS syringes but I noticed with B+ there were about 3 different kinds of mushrooms that would pop out: all with greatly different looks than the mostly flat-capped cambos. Bs were generally convex, and DID NOT REALLY DROP ANY SPORES. I noticed two kinds of caps though, one a more caramel color, and the other slightly green caps by nature. Even when they were fully mature, they were still convex, and not one drop of spore onto the perlite. After cambos, there was a whole layer of black which wasn't there at all for B+. But again, take with a grain of salt, as your experience could be completely different


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Re: Fruiting pan tropicalis pf tek ( pan-cake) [Re: Fractal420]
    #19411577 - 01/13/14 08:19 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Btw, that pic above asking "what strain is this?" That looks a lot like aforementioned B+, especially the purple dust on the collar (the ONLY spores I saw from B+)


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Re: Fruiting pan tropicalis pf tek ( pan-cake) [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19416382 - 01/14/14 08:50 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

^1) it is not really possible to determine characteristics like what is "more visual" or "stronger body buzz". With syringes, your genetics are different every time anyway. There's only potency, and even that is debated. Some would say it all depends on how well you grow them (I agree with this), some believe certain strains like Penis Envy or Treasure Coast are more potent. But this is not proven, and cubensis can vary wildly in potency. According to wiki: The concentrations of psilocin and psilocybin, determined by high-performance liquid chromatography, were determined to be in the range of 0.14–0.42%/0.37–1.30% (dry weight) in the whole mushroom, 0.17–0.78%/0.44–1.35% in the cap and 0.09–0.30%/0.05–1.27% in the stem.[8]

Considering I've seen some pretty weak cubes as well as cubes where .6 would knock you on your ass, it makes sense

2) if you're simply looking for visuals, perhaps don't get into psychedelics in the first place, and out of all psychs, mushrooms are not all that visual. This is about cultivation, which does not go into specific psychoactive properties, only overall potency. Try some L if visuals are what you're looking for, or 2ce (most visual substance I've ever come into contact with)


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Re: Penis Envy: Initial Grow [Re: Holo]
    #19416408 - 01/14/14 09:02 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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you also have no holes in your fruiting chamber




No there are not, I decided against the holes at the bottom because I was concerned that dog hair might find its way into the terrarium if they were that low. I have however made gaps in between the bin and the lid (on all four sides) so there is some air flow in between fanning. Does it make a difference that the air flow is at the top of the bin versus the bottom?




Yup without holes at the bottom it won't work. I wouldn't worry so much about dog hair because if you don't add holes to the bottom the FC won't work at all. Just quickly remove everything, drill, and fill up the perl again.

I have never seen a "dud", and I've only heard of B+ producing a dud on some post somewhere. In experience B+ seems awesome, but I do wonder about its origin. It has some apparently unique traits for a cube, and id even venture to say that the experience might be a slight bit different than other cubes (maybe just in my head, but seems like it, however, awesome and very potent.... But I've seen it shoot out like 3 different kinds of mushies so genetics do vary)

And I agree, would start with what vendors consider "classic cubes". Cambodian, Golden Teacher are very common first options. B+ as well. Id actually say B+ is the easiest I've worked with, and def worth in IME


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19446531 - 01/20/14 08:13 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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I have to say my aa+'s were very visual. Dosed up high enough. The most visual substances on the planet are Dimethylthryptamine, And its slightly milder analogue Dipropylthryptamine. After a few rounds of this, you wont care about tripping much anymore, and if you have any real passion for mushrooms you move to primarily edibles. Lol, at least thats what happened to me.




And that's why, if you trip, it's a mistake to trip for visuals.  You'll burn out on it and miss all the rest of the goodie box... :alientransform::thumbup:

:peace:PS




Totally agreed, the people that are just "waiting for visuals" can never truly enjoy psychedelics, because psychedelics aren't enjoyable. They're mind bending and sometimes uncomfortable, and psiloc(yb)in particularly is not that visual. People who want visuals should just use phenethylamines. Like mescaline or 2ce


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #19588785 - 02/19/14 06:58 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

MS isn't a strain, I thought that just meant "multi spore". And if all MS was the same, may as well just sell one kind of syringe. The "MS syringe". But also I'd like to say I've had really good luck with MS. Alot of people say you should just do LC/GLC/TC but I actually tried my first tissue culture and I honestly prefer MS. I still have work to do it seems, but still, my 2 cents.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19588790 - 02/19/14 07:01 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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If I could name a strain, id either call them: Leary's, or Thompsons.




But no one cares :lmafo:

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has anyone grown brasil?




Yep, pretty much a "classic" cube.




Thompsons. Maybe even Hunter Strain lol. I wouldn't name after Leary personally, he's got enough "named" after him, and it's debated whether he should truly deserve such honors. If I found a never-before-seen-cube in Louisville (where HST is from) I'd name it that. Maybe even something "American dreamish"


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19782913 - 04/02/14 08:26 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Is "A Strain" and "Allen Strain" the same thing? Just a random question that Id been wondering for a while


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19782926 - 04/02/14 08:30 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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then outdoor mushrooms are subject to uncontrolled conditions they are stronger? better ? bigger? yes basically all outdoor grows seem to take more time because of nature takeing time instead of fake boxes etc.  but isn't the end still a cube is a cube for instance you can supposedly take substrate and cold stall it i belleive some say.. wich would be the same but still i am just curious. not bein a dick or anything
i see some mushrooms i find on hunts and go no way could any person grow something this huge and natural must be best but i am also sceptical




According to something I was reading by Stamets, wild cubes can vary by 10x differences in potency while cultivated cubes tend to be much more potent and can differ by 4x (making them more stable indoors and also more potent). Wild cubes can also interact with the environment


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: otown87]
    #19877260 - 04/21/14 09:45 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm confused about A strain and its hard to find info on it because it always comes up as "I was working with *a strain* of cubes". Whats the difference (or is there one) with this or AA+ and I'm trying to figure out, is that the same as "Allen Strain"?

And yes a cube is a cube but I'm trying to find out more details. Because B+ was very specific, and Koh Samui very different, for example.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19968964 - 05/10/14 06:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I am like a month into A strain and I still know almost nothing about it. It seems so confusing to search for (typing "a strain" brings up alot of unrelated stuff...like "a strain" of cubes), and when I do find it, I keep hearing about A+ or AA+ or sometimes, Allen strain. Can someone clear up the genetics of A strain for me? Seems to be quite aggressive mycelium. Very resilient and fast, and compared with Dancing Tiger, is much faster, but I don't see much "rhizomorphic" growth (AFAIK, web-like growth), which is exactly how the DT grows, but much slower. Still, clean fast mycelium and if I'm not mistaken, seems to be pretty contam-resistant and definitely not a "timid" strain. I have yet to see fruit but based on mycelium, it's about as aggressive as B+ but not as web-like in its growth. Faster than B+. It almost sounds like these strains are grades (which is what I first thought when I saw a vendors site for the first time). Btw, the most aggressive mycelium I've ever seen would be Cambodian, but with my experience, it gets spent fast but with massive flushes. B+ is like the energizer bunny in terms of repeated flushing.

Oh, and a cube is a cube. But it's also more than that (we can all agree to genetic differences, that they exist and that a PE syringe vs another PE syringe will be alot more similar than PE vs another MS strain like cambos for example.


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Mineral]
    #19970913 - 05/11/14 07:55 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

^B+ is easy, resilient and domesticated, use that one. I would say this A strain is very aggressive but I haven't seen fruits yet so I don't wanna recommend just yet


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19971022 - 05/11/14 08:29 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

They also do have genetic differences like the size of flush or speed of colonization. How rhizomorphic the growth is. For example. Even with PF cakes. Use 10cakes. 5 of B+ 5 of something like Dancing Tiger or Orissa, you will know they're not the same just by looking. Inversely, if you use the same syringe on all 10 cakes, they'll be pretty similar to each other.

I think origin e.g. Central America vs Asia impacts the genes quite a bit


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Fractal420]
    #19971053 - 05/11/14 08:40 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

This is more about species, but I find this interesting, John W. Allen may have found a new one, a potent one at that.

He said it only showed up in Seattle like 3 times so far



It was described as "here is an image of one of 4 unidentified species....caps have texture of leather and suede (won't let me copy fully). But it's just about studying PNW species. Apparently these are pretty potent. They look like cyanescens but apparently they're not, and he said they're doing DNA tests. He also uploaded a pic of a patch that was hit by a lawnmower.





As I said, these are all Mushroom John's pics and experiments, and I take no credit for them, just wanna see what you guys think. Apparently it's a species that does well in the cold? He says it's unlikely vendors will get their hands on prints.i want one :smile:




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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: cronicr]
    #19971524 - 05/11/14 11:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

It's actually from one of his Facebook groups, I felt this was good to share. As far as I've heard from him, no articles or anything, but they're analyzing 4 new species. This particular thread says "I doubt that it will go to vendors at all for a long time as it is a cold weather species that shows up about every three to four years or so in Seattle at least.  But there are those who have carried a lot of my early strains and some vendors still have original prints of those very first strains as I and my friends also helped develop them."

He's a cool guy. And I'd love to learn about these species. You guys can request to join the group, of course! (Pm me if interested, as I don't wanna publically leave the name of a private group that I don't own, but he wants mushroom lovers). Also. Facebook is creepy. We all know that. (Well I feel it is)

Oh, and here's a pic of some pins of that same species. I can imagine the leather-like cap thing, otherwise, looks alot like P cyanescens. I wish there was an article, no just FB debate. It doesn't even have a name yet)


Of course all pics are his, to the best of my knowledge. I just feel like sharing this new species, cause to me it's exciting, and it's supposedly really potent (probably similar to cyanescens and by looking at it, it's probably a close relative, maybe even a strange type or mutation, who knows for now. But he says it's a new species). Btw, he also claims Cyanescens is the most potent psilocybe. Not azures, which I find interesting. I wonder what you guys think of that


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19971585 - 05/11/14 11:24 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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i have never noticed differences in cubensis mycelium from variety to variety in a jar.  there are different kinds of mycelium like tomentose and rhizomorphic and linear, but that applies to all cube varieties, and to hundreds of species of fungi.  some like shiitaki and maitaki will have very whispy growth, others will have very thick and ropey growth.  growth can also be affected by the media and nutrients used, as well as what ratio they are used in.

it is very hard for me to believe anyone could pic out what variety of cube was in a brf/grain/lc jar based on mycelial growth.




No I meant the fruit if its 2 strains, 5 jars and 5 jars, and unmarked


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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19971896 - 05/11/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm referring more so to PF cakes and just looking mostly at first and second flush pin to mature progression and traits. Some examples color of pin at the start and how the caps end up looking, vs a different strain (i did this with cambo and B+, I could tell from the size of the pin clusters and the color which were the combos, those had an obvious red color, and B+ was kind of white with brown instead of red). Also the same exact cakes, all the Cambodians got spent after exactly 4 flushes, and every B+ went on for  5 or more increasingly small flushes (but remaining fully white and healthy, cambos had long gone gray). In the end, both gave the same amount, because cambos flushed much more at a time. Cambos also ended up slightly more potent, but both are great and for me 2g of either is awesome, and 1g is alot more than noticeable. But with Cambodians, there's more of a kind of anxious intensity. I've always attributed this to psilocin (it happens with most 4ho-xxx and pure psilo)


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