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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: CaptainAhab] * 1
    #14606151 - 06/13/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ahh god not the cube-cyan hybrid question. I started a thread on it a while ago, and roger rabbit, if that is his real name, shut it down. He said that he wants to keep that project silent. Check it out:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14375773#14375773





What RR said, if it was his work he was doing he has a right to be silent about it until/if it pans out (pun, get it, "pans" out?  oh, forget it. :mjdance: )

So this is what happened to the strain thread... :shrug:

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Re: Strain Thread Rulez [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #14651461 - 06/21/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

People buy strains? :shrug:

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Re: Strain Thread Rulez [Re: anonjon] * 1
    #14706819 - 07/02/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well, what about propagation where spore prints > cultivation > fruiting leads to similar phenotypes (shape, habit, characteristics, you know).  Isn't that what generally "strain" refers to?

Let me give one example - I cultivated some Wild Texans off a print from Jokefox last year, strong myc that fruits readily invitro, made these strange blobs in the jar after only a couple weeks, and then when spawned produced a lot of potent mutants (many pics here), before settling down to normal production.  RR thought maybe a virus. See a healthy flush in my sig.

OK, so I printed healthy caps from a couple of flushes and gave a ton of them away (still am, BTW :smile: ) That's where Captain Ahab comes in - sent me these cult pics:

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check out these Wild Texans, thanks to you!





They had an awesome orangeish coloring, with some cool looking mutants, too. Wild, indeed!




Curious replication of phenotype if you ask me...

So, if a virus could it infect spores and transmit itself unto the next generation?  And if so, what would that say about certain "strains"?  There's a blurb on workman's site about "curing" a possible PE viral infection with a heat regime.  But notes no evidence that there actually was a virus.  How would you determine this save with electron microscopy (a bit beyond my resources currently)?

So, more to the interesting side of current work, I have some prints from Bloodworm taken from wild cubes in Florida a couple weeks ago.  And I have clean germination off the one from this beautiful momma:







Ready to start some isolation trials on a brand new and hey, ya never know.  Should be fun! :mushroomgrow:

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Re: Strain Thread Rulez [Re: anonjon] * 1
    #14707198 - 07/02/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The mutants and blobs occurred on bulk tubs spawned 1:4 or 1:5, but as you note they may be common for I've seen blob formation on a couple different cube strains so far (these and KSSS).  But the main thrust of the comments in the thread were the mutants, not the blobs, and I believe that was what RR was referring to and what I'm pointing out as a retained characteristic.

I would note that this appears to be a modern attribute, I never saw that kind of growth occurring back in the day, although heat shock would lead to "dwarfism" in strains I grew.

"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - attributed to William of Ockham

An older but somewhat senescent version of this strain has gone direct to normal fruits on grain...



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Re: Strain Thread Rulez [Re: Captain Chaos] * 1
    #14711396 - 07/03/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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does anyone know of a faster weaker strain or species or should i just use poo and have faster growing mycelium and stronger fruits???



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Question you have? :yoda2:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: meditar] * 1
    #14767765 - 07/14/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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at night time though when they are in dark time, i leave the lids on for fear of predatory gnats and the like.




Thought you wrote "predatory goats" and :ilold:

Mushroom gnats are the pits...

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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: Javadog]
    #14776955 - 07/16/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I found Texans to be strong, but that was just the genetics that I got from Ralphster.




I quite like Texans, got a print from Jokefox and it's yielded strong agressive myc with curious fruiting habits

and and even , but as far as :Feelstrippyman: they're hard to beat (for a which is what this thread is about).

My experience with KSSS a Thai strain is mixed.  Love the habit and but found it hard to get reliable mycelium, and they were slow growing for me.  Slow growing is good if you're in no hurry as the results are usually spectacular and outpace strains that have been selected over time for aggressive growth - more potency and more interesting results.  PESA grows fast, for instance, but the trips aren't as peaky.

YMMV and a is a , meaning genetics are what it's all about, and most strains carry a wide variety.

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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: LucyLove]
    #14779762 - 07/16/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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@PrimalSoup in your first picture I believe an accumulation of myc at the bottom of the mushroom is stress from not enough oxygen, try fanning more.




Yeah, I really need to remount the automatic fan in the fruiting chamber so it draws from the top not the side...it'll give better and more even air circ that way.  Thanks for pointing it out.  They were pretty well packed in there. :grin:

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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: ragehead]
    #14789891 - 07/18/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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some "strains/races" tend to be faster than others or am I reading too much into your statements? :-)




Over many years of growing cubes (and others), and many of those involving cubes not from any modern strain, the slowest growing isolates/mutants (of which I've had a few) where always the most potent. 

I can't explain what controls the speed of growth, but like any other trait with care and patience you should be able to isolate for it.  This may be all that happens when people do what they typically do - clone from the fruits that appeal to them, which (I suspect if mutants) also tend to be the ones that grow slower or have poor gill-maturation abilities.  When/if this characteristic kicks in (my last speculation here is that whatever it is it's not uncommon :lol:)  you'll harvest more potent fruits, in a sort of arrested juvenile stage (eternal youth).

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Re: BHT: [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14827064 - 07/26/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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NOW DONT' JUST DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES!!! :rocket:




OK, we discussed that amongst ourselves and came to a conclusion.:dielaughing:

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Its highly unlikely any person can tell one cube from another.  There are some exceptions of this.  The albino's, PE strains, some cube's produce red spores.  The reason vendors sell this is because noobs come in asking whats the most potent shrooms out there or the highest yielder or whatever and some next noob will answer there question with this one or that one.  When in all actuallity any cube can have the traits you are looking for thru isolation.

It is all thru trial and error.  You will get so many isolates from an ms inoculation and then you have to go thru all the isolates looking for the trait you are looking for




Nah, partial BS. Vendors have little to do with it, I've been growing cubes and others since before the internet was even a gleam in Al Gore's eye. I came up with some mutant strains back in the day - and fresh starts from spores from them would reproduce the parent's traits.  Certainly there are strains with reproducible phenotypes that are distinguishable - nobody gets PE mutants from B+, SFAIK. :lol: 

Most of the isolates cluster around similar characteristics, if the strain has undergone genetic selection.hat's why people who grow them get similar results.  These are just little tweaks on the basic habits of the cubes, and perfectly normal; like if you grow most crops and you select seeds from the ones with the traits you like the best and grow those again, eventually you end up with distinct phenotypes.  All crops were domesticated in just this way, over time.

Potency or "trip quality" is another ball of wax, but since that's apparently a phenotype as well and under the same kind of genetic control it ought to respond to the same kind of selection.  IME it does.  Ask again in a hundred years and see if there aren't some genuine "super strains" out there, just like with weed, just like with the grass you plant for a lawn, just like tomatoes.

Of course in another sense, say compared to Ps. cyan or semilanceata, indeed, a is just a .

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: gordonwasson]
    #14830437 - 07/26/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Does anyone know what strain is on the cover of Stamet's "The Mushroom Cultivator"? Its a great looking strain with classic characteristics. Would love to find something like this.





It's only ever identified as cubensis mycelium, SFAIK.  Been my goal for cube myc forever. :lol: 

Stamets discusses five strains in the section on cubes - Amazon, Ecuadorian, Matias Romero, Misantla, and Palenque - providing phenotype characteristics for each.

Looks a bit like this Wild Texan example, though:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Javadog]
    #14832598 - 07/27/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thanx, Wild Texan have been treatin' me well. :Awemush:  Love getting myc like that.

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Re: BHT: [Re: sixbluntsdeep]
    #14833118 - 07/27/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Probably yes?  Domestication - not luck.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14834999 - 07/27/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Wild myc is very good stuff!




Yeah, but the myc pic is from a domestic strain called "Wild Texan" that circulates.  Got a print from Jokefox :bow:.  No idea its history.

But I do have something coming on here that's gonna be really interesting - I'm working with some Floridian cubes harvested from the wild and printed by Bloodworm :bow: that are getting to be real. :awesomenod: Check it out:

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Re: Oak Ridge Strain. [Re: ragehead]
    #14866747 - 08/03/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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The only cube that has been generally accepted as being more potent is PE (Penis Envy any variant), all the rest will be generally the same without isolating. As far as easy for a beginner to grow, just go with any classic cube (B+, GT, Cambodian, PF Classic, etc). Experts correct me if I am wrong.




Not wrong SFAIK.  BTW I finally ordered a PEU syringe from Sporeworks.  Looking forward to testing it out for the first time. :awesomenod:

Any classic cube has been well domesticated for easy and reliable growth over the centuries.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: NoxADVANCED]
    #14868441 - 08/03/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

PE Uncut - only choosing them cause I think the caps are cuter. :mushroomgrow:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Zerglingrush09]
    #14876588 - 08/05/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

This be the strain thread, not the "how to make big bucks selling syringes" thread.  Come to think of it, there isn't a "how to make big bucks selling syringes" thread. :lol:

Somebody wanted to know how you got spores from PE varieties, Workman wrote about that I think in the old Strain Thread (but I can't find it) - anyway, IIRC it involves a centrifuge and some excellent filtration tek.  Uhm, sorry that was not more helpful... :shrug:

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14878699 - 08/05/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, those are the usual methods I agree.  That's sort of why Workman's methods are awe-inspiring (as the package wends its way to me).  :awesomenod: 

Now if we only had fruitbodies with no gills whatsoever (inserts picture here of almost such a mutant):

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: MagixMushMan8]
    #14989164 - 08/27/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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also i and others claim the mushrooms that spored everywhere are way better than a closed cap or one that just opend




:realpacman:  :eyemonster:  :killerrabbit:  :sexysmile:  :orry:

Whatever turns you on is OK, and don't let nobody tell you otherwise.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Boomer Mang]
    #15035569 - 09/05/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

They'll never know.

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