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PrimalSoup
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Re: Strain Thread Rulez [Re: anonjon] 1
#14706819 - 07/02/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, what about propagation where spore prints > cultivation > fruiting leads to similar phenotypes (shape, habit, characteristics, you know). Isn't that what generally "strain" refers to?
Let me give one example - I cultivated some Wild Texans off a print from Jokefox last year, strong myc that fruits readily invitro, made these strange blobs in the jar after only a couple weeks, and then when spawned produced a lot of potent mutants (many pics here), before settling down to normal production. RR thought maybe a virus. See a healthy flush in my sig.
OK, so I printed healthy caps from a couple of flushes and gave a ton of them away (still am, BTW ) That's where Captain Ahab comes in - sent me these cult pics:
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check out these Wild Texans, thanks to you!

They had an awesome orangeish coloring, with some cool looking mutants, too. Wild, indeed!
Curious replication of phenotype if you ask me...
So, if a virus could it infect spores and transmit itself unto the next generation? And if so, what would that say about certain "strains"? There's a blurb on workman's site about "curing" a possible PE viral infection with a heat regime. But notes no evidence that there actually was a virus. How would you determine this save with electron microscopy (a bit beyond my resources currently)?
So, more to the interesting side of current work, I have some prints from Bloodworm taken from wild cubes in Florida a couple weeks ago. And I have clean germination off the one from this beautiful momma:


Ready to start some isolation trials on a brand new and hey, ya never know. Should be fun! 
Thoughts always welcome,
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Re: Strain Thread Rulez [Re: anonjon] 1
#14707198 - 07/02/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The mutants and blobs occurred on bulk tubs spawned 1:4 or 1:5, but as you note they may be common for I've seen blob formation on a couple different cube strains so far (these and KSSS). But the main thrust of the comments in the thread were the mutants, not the blobs, and I believe that was what RR was referring to and what I'm pointing out as a retained characteristic.
I would note that this appears to be a modern attribute, I never saw that kind of growth occurring back in the day, although heat shock would lead to "dwarfism" in strains I grew.
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - attributed to William of Ockham
An older but somewhat senescent version of this strain has gone direct to normal fruits on grain...

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Chez man] 1
#14772099 - 07/15/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey all, another noob here looking for the answers to everything :P
I have two strains I'm looking for question on.
GOLDEN TEACHER... I have a couple cakes of this stuff that had like a yellowish (maybe golden) color to parts it. One of them ha a straight of yellow spot on it. Has anyone noticed any such result making a gt cake? Pic one below is bad yellow spot, pic two is three cakes with stuff on em.
McKENNAII.... They were fast to incubate, most fully colonized within 3 weeks, and I am very eager to see them. Has anyone heard of these, or have actually tried them? Any info is greatly appreciated. 3rd pic is an M cake with curious red spots, and, 4th is same cake pins?
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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: Javadog]
#14776955 - 07/16/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I found Texans to be strong, but that was just the genetics that I got from Ralphster.
I quite like Texans, got a print from Jokefox and it's yielded strong agressive myc with curious fruiting habits
and and even , but as far as they're hard to beat (for a which is what this thread is about).
My experience with KSSS a Thai strain is mixed. Love the habit and but found it hard to get reliable mycelium, and they were slow growing for me. Slow growing is good if you're in no hurry as the results are usually spectacular and outpace strains that have been selected over time for aggressive growth - more potency and more interesting results. PESA grows fast, for instance, but the trips aren't as peaky.
YMMV and a is a , meaning genetics are what it's all about, and most strains carry a wide variety.
rules.
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All the old posts on Oakridge make it sound quite promising, but it's hard to find. Can anyone visually identify oakridge? Freespore.com has some "Freestone, TX" that looks similar enough in a jpeg, but I wouldn't know the fine details to know and don't yet have a freestone print for comparison. Speaking of which, anyone have a link to a good prints database for comparison? Thanks. Here's the pic of freestone as feature on freespores.com:
 In case that doesn't work.. http://www.freespores.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=79
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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: OoBYCoO]
#14789789 - 07/18/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the help too. Sorry the picture's so small.
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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: caseyjones89]
#14794428 - 07/19/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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caseyjones89 said:

Thanks for all the help too. Sorry the picture's so small.
Those were not even close to full maturity. Next flush, wait till they start to drop spores.
I did the exact same thing on my first flush. Plenty enough to have a great time... but in hindsight, I wasted much of that flush.
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Re: Looking for the right Strain... [Re: UnnamedGrower]
#14817300 - 07/24/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brazil works fine:

...just like any other cube. You can end up with weak or strong growth depending on the genetic lottery.
Good luck,
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NOW DONT' JUST DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES!!! 
OK, we discussed that amongst ourselves and came to a conclusion.
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Its highly unlikely any person can tell one cube from another. There are some exceptions of this. The albino's, PE strains, some cube's produce red spores. The reason vendors sell this is because noobs come in asking whats the most potent shrooms out there or the highest yielder or whatever and some next noob will answer there question with this one or that one. When in all actuallity any cube can have the traits you are looking for thru isolation.
It is all thru trial and error. You will get so many isolates from an ms inoculation and then you have to go thru all the isolates looking for the trait you are looking for
Nah, partial BS. Vendors have little to do with it, I've been growing cubes and others since before the internet was even a gleam in Al Gore's eye. I came up with some mutant strains back in the day - and fresh starts from spores from them would reproduce the parent's traits. Certainly there are strains with reproducible phenotypes that are distinguishable - nobody gets PE mutants from B+, SFAIK.
Most of the isolates cluster around similar characteristics, if the strain has undergone genetic selection.hat's why people who grow them get similar results. These are just little tweaks on the basic habits of the cubes, and perfectly normal; like if you grow most crops and you select seeds from the ones with the traits you like the best and grow those again, eventually you end up with distinct phenotypes. All crops were domesticated in just this way, over time.
Potency or "trip quality" is another ball of wax, but since that's apparently a phenotype as well and under the same kind of genetic control it ought to respond to the same kind of selection. IME it does. Ask again in a hundred years and see if there aren't some genuine "super strains" out there, just like with weed, just like with the grass you plant for a lawn, just like tomatoes.
Of course in another sense, say compared to Ps. cyan or semilanceata, indeed, a is just a .
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: gordonwasson]
#14830437 - 07/26/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone know what strain is on the cover of Stamet's "The Mushroom Cultivator"? Its a great looking strain with classic characteristics. Would love to find something like this.
It's only ever identified as cubensis mycelium, SFAIK. Been my goal for cube myc forever.
Stamets discusses five strains in the section on cubes - Amazon, Ecuadorian, Matias Romero, Misantla, and Palenque - providing phenotype characteristics for each.
Looks a bit like this Wild Texan example, though: 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14833396 - 07/27/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Thanx, Wild Texan have been treatin' me well. Love getting myc like that.
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Wild myc is very good stuff!
Wild Cubes growing on H-poo.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#14834999 - 07/27/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wild myc is very good stuff!
Yeah, but the myc pic is from a domestic strain called "Wild Texan" that circulates. Got a print from Jokefox . No idea its history.
But I do have something coming on here that's gonna be really interesting - I'm working with some Floridian cubes harvested from the wild and printed by Bloodworm that are getting to be real. Check it out:
who's ya momma? 
New thread in growlogs'll start sometime soon, probably, maybe soon...
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Cheers guys, just noticed alot of cube "strains" are dung lovers, interesting.
Thinking B+, Ecuador, GT, Costa Rica or Albino A+ love the pic of a mushroom from a mushroom,
Best sponsor for prints? and why are prints more expensive than syringes?
Im hoping to do some agar work on my pan cyans and hopefully germinate that and get prints of cyan Aussies to trade on here. Are Pan. Cyans australis prints valuable here?
Please help with answers, groming mushrooms have overtaken my love for growing my herb.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: NoxADVANCED]
#14868818 - 08/03/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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PEU is not a normal cube. The potency is outrageous. The caps turn from reddish to greenish/bluish as they mature and they just seem to get more potent the longer u leave them on the vine. Since they don't drop spores u can let them go without creating a mess. 
All cubes are not created equal.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#14878699 - 08/05/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, those are the usual methods I agree. That's sort of why Workman's methods are awe-inspiring (as the package wends its way to me).
Now if we only had fruitbodies with no gills whatsoever (inserts picture here of almost such a mutant):
swab this! or this! 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Jryan]
#15074815 - 09/13/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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they do colonize WBR and Verm/BRF/Manure cakes. Wanna save my manure for spawn though and have shitload of verm and BR/F.
WBR
ended up with cobweb contam from drinking glass i was using, now have 12 1/2pints and geting another 48 for next to nothing, my PC can fit 60 Halfpints all up.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
#15099187 - 09/19/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i love P.E. especially the mutants.

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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: t23]
#15100289 - 09/19/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm asking, "what's your top favorite psychoactive cubensis varieties you enjoy to ingest?"
Usually whatever I'm growing currently. Uhm, obviously. But my TOP favorite is stuff I don't have working cultures for anymore, only spores - and it's not cubes either.
The MOST PSYCHEDELIC and overall trippiest cubes I've grown in recent times were these dwarf KSSS:

Small but mighty. Lost that culture and haven't got it back yet. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Honeydew]
#15141464 - 09/27/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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also, my friend was telling me that there is a type of psylocybin mushroom that is greenish blue and is suppose to be ultra potent and its spores are super hard to find, is this true or is this just trickery?
Yes it's true. But nobody who knows what it is allowed to tell anybody who doesn't know already.
The caps look kinda like this: 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15141481 - 09/27/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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No no no, you mean....
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