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kotter


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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: 88malice]
#14542745 - 05/31/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rogue Tripper said it well. I like spawn, dowels work great. It seems like its just a choice of which way a person wants to go. Sawdust spawn is cheaper to make and so far does colonize faster for me. Never had a problem with dowels colonizing though. Local wood for cheap or free is a plus. One tip is try to do everything possible as close as possible to where it will end up for fruiting. The less times and distance any log can be moved, the better.
I am trying to keep better track of and chronicle my progress now but its been almost as an afterthought to do more than occasionally take photos of shiitakes. I can get sort of lost in the doing.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: kotter]
#14542899 - 05/31/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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using this as a place holder for further reading, thanks RT and Kotter. I didn't think it took a year for the log to colonize :/ thats a while.. but from what i have read, it reaps a lot of rewards. and all the ones i wanted to try (reishi and shiitake) are wood lovers, can they be grown on rye, or pf tek?
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kotter


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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: 88malice]
#14542952 - 05/31/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The very first ones I did took well over two years to fruit. Probably due to me doing almost everything wrong.
Roger Rabbit has a lot to say on this website about growing shiitake on assorted media. Most of what I've seen has been in assorted posts by other people.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: kotter]
#14544112 - 06/01/11 02:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've heard that if you fruit a shroom under natural conditions (like shiitake on a log) then you clone that shroom then you've reset the strain's age to zero.
Can anyone else support me on this?
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: NSF]
#14544720 - 06/01/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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NSF said: I've heard that if you fruit a shroom under natural conditions (like shiitake on a log) then you clone that shroom then you've reset the strain's age to zero.
Can anyone else support me on this?
That doesn't sound right to me. A clone is a clone.
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RogueTrippeR said:
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NSF said: I've heard that if you fruit a shroom under natural conditions (like shiitake on a log) then you clone that shroom then you've reset the strain's age to zero.
Can anyone else support me on this?
That doesn't sound right to me. A clone is a clone.
Yeah i agree with rougeT.
Also, i only inoculated 2 logs (ahaha)last year springtime but they both fruited last fall, and this spring already. The harvest were small but they were there. Each flush was about 1/4-1/2 lb. Using the right wood and an aggressive strain should lead to fruitings the following year after being inoculated.
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RogueTrippeR said:
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NSF said: I've heard that if you fruit a shroom under natural conditions (like shiitake on a log) then you clone that shroom then you've reset the strain's age to zero.
Can anyone else support me on this?
That doesn't sound right to me. A clone is a clone.
Although, if you clone a fruit from an isolate you get in isolate, so it seems.
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I'm just talking about P age (i think it is) and staying away from senescense (spelling). I'm not an authority on it, it was just something i heard along the way.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: NSF]
#14546543 - 06/01/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im not sure about the P-value thing. I would think that it would not start over unless you use spores(obviously), which would then create a new strain. But im not 100% sure. I dont c y you would do this w/ shiitake on logs, as you could have copied the spawn b4 pluggin the logs. So if this question is about shiitake i think its irrelevant.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: NSF]
#14547345 - 06/01/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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NSF said: I'm just talking about P age (i think it is) and staying away from senescense (spelling). I'm not an authority on it, it was just something i heard along the way.
You might start the P-value over using a clone designation but you can't escape time
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: Aleon]
#14555627 - 06/03/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doing everything right should get fruiting by the following year.
The first time, when it took me two years and I did things wrong, people might be amused to hear that those included: not using my spawn until I'd had it for months (I'd forgotten it was there and a lot of the dowels were almost purely mushy despite being refrigerated), using logs cut in mid summer and left on the ground until Fall not cleaning the logs before drilling them using logs that had large sections of damaged bark or split centers using logs already hosting carbon balls and turkey tails not waxing the plugs plugging wet logs in breaks between ongoing rainfall not covering the rick at any point not watering the rick at any point
Due to other things in life taking over, I essentially ignored them until realizing the rick was covered with gorgeous shiitakes. Logs done right have all performed much better but its amazing to me those logs did anything all things considered. Shiitake is one impressive creature. It would have been hard for anyone not to become thoroughly hooked on putting it into logs at that point.
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But we're talking about something that is hundreds of millions of years old. Fungi knows how to survive. In the wild there's no senescence, it's a man made problem. So rather than always expanding from your first culture sometimes you need to replenish/refresh the gene pool.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: NSF]
#14557913 - 06/03/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whether it occurs in the wild or not (I'd tend to think it would), I'd sure agree that senescence is a man-made problem as nature seems to usually maintain backup cultures.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: kotter]
#14560404 - 06/04/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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NSF said: But we're talking about something that is hundreds of millions of years old. Fungi knows how to survive. In the wild there's no senescence, it's a man made problem. So rather than always expanding from your first culture sometimes you need to replenish/refresh the gene pool.
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kotter said: Whether it occurs in the wild or not (I'd tend to think it would), I'd sure agree that senescence is a man-made problem as nature seems to usually maintain backup cultures.
LOL what are you guys talking about! None of this makes any sense! Mother nature wouldn't be so stupid as to "maintain back-up cultures". One bad disease/virus comes along and that could make mushrooms extinct if using a limited gene pool(cultures). If Gaia kept the DNA the same(cultures), this would be retarded; nature uses spores to repopulate in order to diversify the gene pool. This is the only way to maintain life over long periods of time (genetic diversity), and this is how all life works. Ebb and flows of stability and novelty. We only use cultures for stability, and reliable results, nature does not want this over the long run, it must have balance. Nature wants to experiment and explore; nature searches for novelty. This is how organisms evolve and adapt. I havnt read much, but read a little up on Terrance McKennas research and you'll c what im saying. He was right on!
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: Aleon]
#14563596 - 06/05/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bad wording on my part in an attempt to make a joke. My point was not to suggest back up cultures of any pure strains were being maintained but that nature is constantly providing new spores to replace what passes away from old age. Senescence therefore poses no problem in nature (except from the point of view of the individual organism experiencing it) despite existing everywhere. Senescence is a problem for humans who want to maintain or propagate individual pure strains. Preservation of a pure strain to the exclusion of all of the rest of what is possible within that same species is not the most common of natural phenomenons.
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Re: Shiitake on logs questions [Re: kotter]
#14563718 - 06/05/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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kotter said: Bad wording on my part in an attempt to make a joke. My point was not to suggest back up cultures of any pure strains were being maintained but that nature is constantly providing new spores to replace what passes away from old age. Senescence therefore poses no problem in nature (except from the point of view of the individual organism experiencing it) despite existing everywhere. Senescence is a problem for humans who want to maintain or propagate individual pure strains. Preservation of a pure strain to the exclusion of all of the rest of what is possible within that same species is not the most common of natural phenomenons.
Yep, right on.
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