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Dangerous dog breeds
    #14525229 - 05/28/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Does your country has any law of this kind?

In my country we have a list of dangerous breeds (Staff Bull Terrier, Rottweiler, Brazilian Fila Dog, Argentine Dogo, Tosa Inu, Pit Bull and American Staff), and anyone who owns one of these specimens has to pay a civil insurance, the dog has to be sterilized plus you have to make them wear a muzzle and a leash all the time they go out (a regular breed just has to wear one or the other), and you have to provide your criminal record.
All first linage puppies be it from a pure race or mixed with other are also considered dangerous.
I'm aware there are some other European countries doing this, such as UK, Holland, Italy, Germany and probably Spain, I don't know about the rest.

It just seems stupid, because the problem is with the owners and not with the dog's breed. I'm aware that if a dog is trained to be dangerous some dogs can be more ferocious than others but what about german shepard, doberman, bull terrier or others as such? This makes people think that these specific breeds are evil and create a generalized fear around them.

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525236 - 05/28/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, it's media beat up. It's white trash owners who favour the dogs and if they can't control their shitty kids then they're not going to be able to control their dogs either. I live in Australia and there is talk of bringing in such laws in various states. Furthermore, if certain breeds are popular then there will be more attacks by those breeds because there are more of them around but I doubt the media will report that.

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: migraineur]
    #14525244 - 05/28/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In UK I think they go so far as actually forbidding breeds (Pit Bull, Tosa Inu, Dogo Argentine e Brazilian Fila) from being sold.

This is just :facepalm:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: migraineur]
    #14525247 - 05/28/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No such thing as a naturally dangerous dog, simply idiot owners who mistrain the dogs by stimulating the instinctive agression in response to moments of tension, all it then takes is the dog gets excited and goes for someone who it feels is lower than them in the pack, usually someone the dog sees as weak, often a child or similar basically anyone the dog sees himself/herself as a higher dominant member of the pack.

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: migraineur]
    #14525248 - 05/28/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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migraineur said:
Yeah, it's media beat up. It's white trash owners who favour the dogs and if they can't control their shitty kids then they're not going to be able to control their dogs either.





I keep hearing this but it seems that every time a dog fighting operation is
broken up it's always black people


dangerous dogs almost always are the result of bad owners with a popular breed

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525250 - 05/28/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've gotten a lot of low ratings for it but I think certain breeds shouldn't be allowed in the city. I don't give a shit if it's the owners or the breeds. If you live in the suburbs or drive everywhere fuck your opinion. If you travel by bike or foot through ghettos where these fucking monsters are likely to hassle you then I care what you think.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: GGTBod]
    #14525255 - 05/28/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, you also have a lot of dogs being aggressive as a result of living in fear because their owners treat them badly.

The stupid thing is accounting the breed as to blame when the people are the ones to blame, it's just stupid.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14525261 - 05/28/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're looking at the wrong monsters to blame.

You should probably start caring about weapons being available to civilians.
Besides, any dog can do damage if trained to do so, doesn't have to be a pit bull.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525263 - 05/28/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Dogs_Act_1991 ; i'm leavin this fuckin sux rox plox.

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525265 - 05/28/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Totally the owners, exactly the same as if you had a 7 year old human child who was an antisocial badly behaved evil little bastard - it is not the child to blame

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525302 - 05/28/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

pouihi said:
You're looking at the wrong monsters to blame.

You should probably start caring about weapons being available to civilians.
Besides, any dog can do damage if trained to do so, doesn't have to be a pit bull.




Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly. I don't care what kind of legislation you want for Portugal. That's your business. Where I live people like guns and hate trespassing and I feel the same way. Almost everyone around here who dies a gun related death is some kind of asshole anyway. Dangerous breeds on the other hand go after weaker people and people with smaller dogs. I certainly support the death penalty for the owners of these dogs that get out of control. I would much rather see these scummy people killed than their dogs but unfortunately people would get in a big uproar about the mass extermination of shitbags in America. However, it still behooves my agenda to take their dogs away.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: GGTBod]
    #14525313 - 05/28/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Totally the owners, exactly the same as if you had a 7 year old human child who was an antisocial badly behaved evil little bastard - it is not the child to blame




Sure. But the kid is still a shithead who's going to grow up to victimize others and fuck a lot of worthless women making new lines of antisocial shits that continue to ruin society. That's why we need to do to these people what we do to their dogs. Sterilize and kill them.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #14525328 - 05/28/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly.




and a car can do far more dmagge than a dog, let's take away all the motor vehicles because bad people have them

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14525331 - 05/28/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly.  What difference does it make if it is the fault of the owners or the breed?  Fact remains that the result is a dangerous goddamn animal.  The laws aren't about blaming one or the other, they are about keeping people safe.

And I totally do not buy that a dog's disposition or predisposition is solely the result of ownership / training.  Some breeds definitely have a higher propensity toward violence that is genetic.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14525336 - 05/28/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have been mauled by a chiwawa. I had to have stitches, no joke. It got infected real bad


Watch out for those savage dogs


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14525341 - 05/28/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Exactly.  What difference does it make if it is the fault of the owners or the breed?  Fact remains that the result is a dangerous goddamn animal.  The laws aren't about blaming one or the other, they are about keeping people safe.





it's about feeding fear... put the dog don and imprison the owner, laws
cannot prevent crime, remove the pitbull from the equation and another breed
takes it's place, remove all dogs and they'll be going after something
equally dangerous, we see this with the laws meant to keep people safe in the
UK, they banned handguns and violent crime increased with knives as well as
guns, they've banned knives and it hasnt stopped the increase in violent crime

do you not see the big flaw in the logic of punishing everyone for the
misdeeds of a few? the law breaker doesnt stop breaking the law just
because it's the law

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525345 - 05/28/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

TheFakeSunRa said:
Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly.




and a car can do far more dmagge than a dog, let's take away all the motor vehicles because bad people have them




I made a thread about this before. I do think private automobiles should be abolished. I equated owning a car as the moral equivalent to owning a slave. Cars make it unsafe for me to walk where I want to and global warming is making the planet dangerous for humankind, that's ridiculous.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
    #14525372 - 05/28/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see, you want to punish everyone else because you have a fear of everything

you should just stay in the house, the big bad dogs and the mean old
automobiles cant get you if you're locked safely in your closet

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525383 - 05/28/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I ontario it is illegal to buy a pit bull.

If you already own one, you can keep it until it dies. If it attacks someone, it will be put down.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525385 - 05/28/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thefakesunra, so you dont like vans? sure you havent been abducted by a pedofile as a child? it explains you fear of automobiles


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