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Dangerous dog breeds
    #14525229 - 05/28/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Does your country has any law of this kind?

In my country we have a list of dangerous breeds (Staff Bull Terrier, Rottweiler, Brazilian Fila Dog, Argentine Dogo, Tosa Inu, Pit Bull and American Staff), and anyone who owns one of these specimens has to pay a civil insurance, the dog has to be sterilized plus you have to make them wear a muzzle and a leash all the time they go out (a regular breed just has to wear one or the other), and you have to provide your criminal record.
All first linage puppies be it from a pure race or mixed with other are also considered dangerous.
I'm aware there are some other European countries doing this, such as UK, Holland, Italy, Germany and probably Spain, I don't know about the rest.

It just seems stupid, because the problem is with the owners and not with the dog's breed. I'm aware that if a dog is trained to be dangerous some dogs can be more ferocious than others but what about german shepard, doberman, bull terrier or others as such? This makes people think that these specific breeds are evil and create a generalized fear around them.

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525236 - 05/28/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, it's media beat up. It's white trash owners who favour the dogs and if they can't control their shitty kids then they're not going to be able to control their dogs either. I live in Australia and there is talk of bringing in such laws in various states. Furthermore, if certain breeds are popular then there will be more attacks by those breeds because there are more of them around but I doubt the media will report that.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: migraineur]
    #14525244 - 05/28/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In UK I think they go so far as actually forbidding breeds (Pit Bull, Tosa Inu, Dogo Argentine e Brazilian Fila) from being sold.

This is just :facepalm:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: migraineur]
    #14525247 - 05/28/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No such thing as a naturally dangerous dog, simply idiot owners who mistrain the dogs by stimulating the instinctive agression in response to moments of tension, all it then takes is the dog gets excited and goes for someone who it feels is lower than them in the pack, usually someone the dog sees as weak, often a child or similar basically anyone the dog sees himself/herself as a higher dominant member of the pack.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: migraineur]
    #14525248 - 05/28/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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migraineur said:
Yeah, it's media beat up. It's white trash owners who favour the dogs and if they can't control their shitty kids then they're not going to be able to control their dogs either.





I keep hearing this but it seems that every time a dog fighting operation is
broken up it's always black people


dangerous dogs almost always are the result of bad owners with a popular breed


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525250 - 05/28/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've gotten a lot of low ratings for it but I think certain breeds shouldn't be allowed in the city. I don't give a shit if it's the owners or the breeds. If you live in the suburbs or drive everywhere fuck your opinion. If you travel by bike or foot through ghettos where these fucking monsters are likely to hassle you then I care what you think.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: GGTBod]
    #14525255 - 05/28/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, you also have a lot of dogs being aggressive as a result of living in fear because their owners treat them badly.

The stupid thing is accounting the breed as to blame when the people are the ones to blame, it's just stupid.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14525261 - 05/28/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You're looking at the wrong monsters to blame.

You should probably start caring about weapons being available to civilians.
Besides, any dog can do damage if trained to do so, doesn't have to be a pit bull.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525263 - 05/28/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Dogs_Act_1991 ; i'm leavin this fuckin sux rox plox.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525265 - 05/28/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Totally the owners, exactly the same as if you had a 7 year old human child who was an antisocial badly behaved evil little bastard - it is not the child to blame


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14525302 - 05/28/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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pouihi said:
You're looking at the wrong monsters to blame.

You should probably start caring about weapons being available to civilians.
Besides, any dog can do damage if trained to do so, doesn't have to be a pit bull.




Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly. I don't care what kind of legislation you want for Portugal. That's your business. Where I live people like guns and hate trespassing and I feel the same way. Almost everyone around here who dies a gun related death is some kind of asshole anyway. Dangerous breeds on the other hand go after weaker people and people with smaller dogs. I certainly support the death penalty for the owners of these dogs that get out of control. I would much rather see these scummy people killed than their dogs but unfortunately people would get in a big uproar about the mass extermination of shitbags in America. However, it still behooves my agenda to take their dogs away.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: GGTBod]
    #14525313 - 05/28/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Totally the owners, exactly the same as if you had a 7 year old human child who was an antisocial badly behaved evil little bastard - it is not the child to blame




Sure. But the kid is still a shithead who's going to grow up to victimize others and fuck a lot of worthless women making new lines of antisocial shits that continue to ruin society. That's why we need to do to these people what we do to their dogs. Sterilize and kill them.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #14525328 - 05/28/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly.




and a car can do far more dmagge than a dog, let's take away all the motor vehicles because bad people have them


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14525331 - 05/28/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly.  What difference does it make if it is the fault of the owners or the breed?  Fact remains that the result is a dangerous goddamn animal.  The laws aren't about blaming one or the other, they are about keeping people safe.

And I totally do not buy that a dog's disposition or predisposition is solely the result of ownership / training.  Some breeds definitely have a higher propensity toward violence that is genetic.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14525336 - 05/28/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have been mauled by a chiwawa. I had to have stitches, no joke. It got infected real bad


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14525341 - 05/28/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Exactly.  What difference does it make if it is the fault of the owners or the breed?  Fact remains that the result is a dangerous goddamn animal.  The laws aren't about blaming one or the other, they are about keeping people safe.





it's about feeding fear... put the dog don and imprison the owner, laws
cannot prevent crime, remove the pitbull from the equation and another breed
takes it's place, remove all dogs and they'll be going after something
equally dangerous, we see this with the laws meant to keep people safe in the
UK, they banned handguns and violent crime increased with knives as well as
guns, they've banned knives and it hasnt stopped the increase in violent crime

do you not see the big flaw in the logic of punishing everyone for the
misdeeds of a few? the law breaker doesnt stop breaking the law just
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525345 - 05/28/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly.




and a car can do far more dmagge than a dog, let's take away all the motor vehicles because bad people have them




I made a thread about this before. I do think private automobiles should be abolished. I equated owning a car as the moral equivalent to owning a slave. Cars make it unsafe for me to walk where I want to and global warming is making the planet dangerous for humankind, that's ridiculous.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
    #14525372 - 05/28/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I see, you want to punish everyone else because you have a fear of everything

you should just stay in the house, the big bad dogs and the mean old
automobiles cant get you if you're locked safely in your closet


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525383 - 05/28/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I ontario it is illegal to buy a pit bull.

If you already own one, you can keep it until it dies. If it attacks someone, it will be put down.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525385 - 05/28/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thefakesunra, so you dont like vans? sure you havent been abducted by a pedofile as a child? it explains you fear of automobiles


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525408 - 05/28/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You're right, of course, everything should be legal.

People who own pit bulls have no regard for the law anyway. 

Your logic is completely sound.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14525412 - 05/28/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
You're right, of course, everything should be legal.

People who own pit bulls have no regard for the law anyway. 

Your logic is completely sound.




I have many friends with pitbulls, great family dogs, get along fine with
other animals and people and they arent breaking any laws by owning them so I
just have to ask, do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525439 - 05/28/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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I see, you want to punish everyone else because you have a fear of everything

you should just stay in the house, the big bad dogs and the mean old
automobiles cant get you if you're locked safely in your closet




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2010_%28Fig.A%29.gif


There's far better alternatives. I consider you the coward for not facing up to it.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14525462 - 05/28/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There's far better alternatives. I consider you the coward for not facing up to it.





I'm not afraid to leave the house every day, not afraid the black people up
the street with all their pitbulls are going to rob me or that their dogs
will bite me. I'm not afraid that the sun will explode and exterminate all
life or that a car is going to hit me... I'm a realist, if the shit happens,
I'll deal with it, no point living life fearful of things that may never happen


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525488 - 05/28/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You misunderstood me.  Let me be clearer.  Your argument is that people who break the law are going to break the law regardless of whether or not there is a law or not.  This is bad logic because it assumes that everybody who owns a pit bull would consciously choose to become criminals if pit bulls were banned tomorrow.  The fact is that the number of pit bulls would be drastically decreased if this were to take place.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525619 - 05/28/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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migraineur said:
Yeah, it's media beat up. It's white trash owners who favour the dogs and if they can't control their shitty kids then they're not going to be able to control their dogs either.





I keep hearing this but it seems that every time a dog fighting operation is
broken up it's always black people


dangerous dogs almost always are the result of bad owners with a popular breed




I know more white people who fight dogs than blacks. They never get busted though because they snitch and the cops let them off the hook. Gotta love Ky :stonedjerk:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14525937 - 05/28/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I can't believe there is actual sense in this thread.

Banning dogs is equally retarded as banning plants.

People are fucking  :kingtard:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14526020 - 05/28/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It just seems stupid, because the problem is with the owners and not with the dog's breed.




this is partly true.  it seems to me that the type of people who generally adopt certain breeds that are aggressive, protective and vicious by nature aren't exactly inclined to train the dog properly so it doesn't randomly attack strangers or even the owner and their family members. 

so its kind of a combination of the two factors.  of course those breeds can be trained to be obedient and calm in the presence of strangers and other dogs, but without intense training programs these dogs are usually totally out of control and are too strong for owners to hold them back from running or lunging with a leash.

the problem is those training schools are usually pretty expensive, they're long term compared to training calmer breeds, and if you don't have your male dog neutered they won't even accept it into the training school because it significantly reduces the dogs' aggressive tendencies.  a lot of the people who adopt these dogs can't afford to get their dogs into those schools and refuse to neuter their dogs because these people want those breeds in the first place because of their intimidating reputations.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: BoneMan]
    #14526042 - 05/28/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



...they look freaking awesome :awesomenod:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526086 - 05/28/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not afraid to leave the house every day, not afraid the black people up
the street with all their pitbulls are going to rob me or that their dogs
will bite me. I'm not afraid that the sun will explode and exterminate all
life or that a car is going to hit me... I'm a realist, if the shit happens,
I'll deal with it, no point living life fearful of things that may never happen




This.

Shame on all of you attempting to justify banning anything.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: BoneMan]
    #14526104 - 05/28/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I own a pit  mix.  I got her 8 years ago because a friend of a friend had a litter of pups.  I knew them as loyal working dogs.  Shes been a pain in the ass sometimes.  She has what they call "game"  the nature to hunt.  She used to jump out of my car doing 35 mph, and chase down deer.  She keeps the bears and cats back and watches the perimeter.  Shes an awesome dog for the country and with chill pets and all people, but she hates annoying dogs up in her snatch.  So it makes it tough to walk her without a muzzle in public places.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Abuse]
    #14526167 - 05/28/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



I been a fan of dogo  de Argentina and Rhodesian Ridgebacks ever since I first met the breeds



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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526305 - 05/28/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Obviously a more powerful dog can do more damage more quickly.




and a car can do far more dmagge than a dog, let's take away all the motor vehicles because bad people have them




hah i was going to make the same analogy.

my family has had many pitbulls through my life, and they have all been great and very intelligent dogs. granted some people are idiots, who will do dumb shit regardless. doesn't mean they need to be banned, as it doesn't work anyway.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Cloud9]
    #14526364 - 05/28/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Have you ever tried to take food away from a Pyrenees? If you have all of your limbs, I'd guess not.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: limestoneman]
    #14526423 - 05/28/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'm not completely sold on the whole "it's the owners" argument

weren't pits made to hunt packs of wild boars?

they were bred to be strong and vicious

that being said i've met some really nice pits

but i also know my friends' sister nearly had her face ripped off by one when she was a kid


most people who get more aggressive breeds of dogs usually do so for a reason, at least around here

but in the end i don't think any breeds should be banned, but people do need to do a better job of controlling their beasts


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14526455 - 05/28/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you could also argue the nicest of dogs still originated from wolves. granted some dogs are more instinctual in certain circumstances, fight or flight. but raised right and trained your dog will be a good animal, of course that isn't a 100% guarantee, but what is?


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14526456 - 05/28/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14526479 - 05/28/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14526575 - 05/28/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You misunderstood me.  Let me be clearer.  Your argument is that people who break the law are going to break the law regardless of whether or not there is a law or not.  This is bad logic because it assumes that everybody who owns a pit bull would consciously choose to become criminals if pit bulls were banned tomorrow.  The fact is that the number of pit bulls would be drastically decreased if this were to take place.





would you shoot your mother if mothers were outlawed tomorrow? of course not
just as I wouldnt put down my dog of the breed were outlawed tomorrow making
me a law breaker just as it would so many others, would a few give up their
dogs, sure but the majority would not


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: LadyLittleZeppelin]
    #14526588 - 05/28/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, it's media beat up. It's white trash owners who favour the dogs and if they can't control their shitty kids then they're not going to be able to control their dogs either.





I keep hearing this but it seems that every time a dog fighting operation is
broken up it's always black people


dangerous dogs almost always are the result of bad owners with a popular breed




I know more white people who fight dogs than blacks. They never get busted though because they snitch and the cops let them off the hook. Gotta love Ky :stonedjerk:





it's always blacks around here, that could be because there's only a few
whites that think dog fighting is a 'sport' or what ever runs through
their tiny little brains

this is typical of the arrests



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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14526611 - 05/28/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'm not completely sold on the whole "it's the owners" argument

weren't pits made to hunt packs of wild boars?

they were bred to be strong and vicious




no they were not, it's yet another of the many myths surrounding the breed
legislation debates, they were bred as working dogs to guard family,
livestock, to hunt,  etc... maybe it would behoove people to learn about
the dogs... and just like any working dog that needs to be trained to hunt
or herd sheep, dogs have to be trained to fight




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most people who get more aggressive breeds of dogs usually do so for a reason, at least around here





like chihuahuas, by far one of the most aggressive breeds of dog, them and
cocker spaniels... those motherfuckers will bite a kid in no time flat


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526657 - 05/28/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

People tend to be very scared of my dogs, it really pisses me off.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526689 - 05/28/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Goddamn, ain't that the truth.

My cousins had a cocker spaniel when we were younger and that thing was nasty as all hell. It would constantly growl and bare its' teeth.

My other friend had a pit bull and it was WAY nicer than my cousins' dog. And it still had its testicles :lol:

But yeah, dog problems are usually the result of shitty owners IME.... But don't lose your common sense, people...

Don't trespass, because you're gonna get bit, or worse.
Especially with a pit in the yard, duh.

And if you think your dog might nip at someone, buy a goddamn muzzle, duh.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14526929 - 05/28/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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dynomite said:
i'm not completely sold on the whole "it's the owners" argument

weren't pits made to hunt packs of wild boars?

they were bred to be strong and vicious




no they were not, it's yet another of the many myths surrounding the breed
legislation debates, they were bred as working dogs to guard family,
livestock, to hunt,  etc... maybe it would behoove people to learn about
the dogs... and just like any working dog that needs to be trained to hunt
or herd sheep, dogs have to be trained to fight



but you don't have to train instinct

i like pits, but i think they tend to be more dangerous when the do act out

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most people who get more aggressive breeds of dogs usually do so for a reason, at least around here





like chihuahuas, by far one of the most aggressive breeds of dog, them and
cocker spaniels... those motherfuckers will bite a kid in no time flat



i'm surrounded by chihuahuas, they roam in packs around my neighborhood, they're all bark

the only cocker spaniel i knew would piss itself in excitement when greeted by anyone

around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit

i could care less as long as they don't let them get loose

most of the mauling cases i have heard of have been by pits, either they're more aggressive or the kind of people who want/make mean dogs pick pits because of their reputation

either way, banning certain breeds would lower the amount of attacks, not that i'm for banning breeds

with the "aggressive breeds" out of the picture, people who want mean dogs would have to start using cocker spaniels, and i don't think many people would have a hard time fending them off

banning breeds would be dumb but at the same time i can see why people don't like other people having beasts they can't control:2cents:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14527090 - 05/28/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but you don't have to train instinct

i like pits, but i think they tend to be more dangerous when the do act out






are you saying that it's their instinct to attack people?

care to back that up with some actual evidence?

there's loads of large dogs that are far more dangerous than a pitbull
when they 'act out', where's the outrage regarding those

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like chihuahuas, by far one of the most aggressive breeds of dog, them and
cocker spaniels... those motherfuckers will bite a kid in no time flat



i'm surrounded by chihuahuas, they roam in packs around my neighborhood, they're all bark

the only cocker spaniel i knew would piss itself in excitement when greeted by anyone




really becaue the only dogs I've ever been bit by were a german shepherd,
a cocker spaniel, a mini schnauzer and about 4 chihuahuas, I'm sure if all
dog bites were reported we'd see the small dogs bite most often and most
frequently bite kids


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around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit






I see, so your real issue with pit bulls are that black people want to own
them... or is it that irresponsible fuckheads want to own them

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most of the mauling cases i have heard of have been by pits




because pits are in the news since some other irresponsible fuckheads let
their little poodle roam free and it got eaten by the pitbull so now
suddenly they're the evil breed... in the 70s it was dobermans, the 80s
brought about the chow, the 90s brought the rottweiler and now it's the
pit bull... it's never ending, just because someone is afraid of a big
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14527592 - 05/28/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh lawd


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Prisoner#1 said:

are you saying that it's their instinct to attack people?



no

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there's loads of large dogs that are far more dangerous than a pitbull
when they 'act out', where's the outrage regarding those



i only singled out pits b/c they have the worst rap, but i was talking about any of the "aggressive breeds"

sure there are a lot of large dogs but not all breeds have the same personalities

like sharks, there are bull sharks, and nurse sharks

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I'm sure if all
dog bites were reported we'd see the small dogs bite most often and most
frequently bite kids



yeah but it's the fatal maulings people are worried about, not the minor flesh wounds

get rid of the dogs with the biggest bite = smaller bites

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around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit






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I see, so your real issue with pit bulls are that black people want to own
them... or is it that irresponsible fuckheads want to own them



no
most of the people in my area are hispanic

and there are white thugs too

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most of the mauling cases i have heard of have been by pits




because pits are in the news since some other irresponsible fuckheads let
their little poodle roam free and it got eaten by the pitbull so now
suddenly they're the evil breed... in the 70s it was dobermans, the 80s
brought about the chow, the 90s brought the rottweiler and now it's the
pit bull... it's never ending, just because someone is afraid of a big
scary looking dog



no it's because around here a lot of stupid people have a lot of pits

people get these dogs because of the stories in the news, it's self fulfilling

my friends sister almost lost her face and is scarred for life, not because pit bulls are mean, but because someone didn't keep it chained up or have a high enough fence

and that's the problem, some people aren't responsible enough to own animals with big teeth

i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs but if people can't keep them under control, bans would be effective at lowering injuries


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: BoneMan]
    #14527746 - 05/28/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Humility said:
I can't believe there is actual sense in this thread.

Banning dogs is equally retarded as banning plants.

People are fucking  :kingtard:




You probably missed the threads point which is the ridiculous of banning breeds, which happens in my country and I was trying to know what it's like in other places.

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it seems to me that the type of people who generally adopt certain breeds that are aggressive, protective and vicious by nature aren't exactly inclined to train the dog properly so it doesn't randomly attack strangers or even the owner and their family members. 





My dog's mother is an argentine dogo, although it's a breed I've always admired I have always had a personal preference for bull terrier's physic.
I adopted this dog because her mother was accidentally mixed with the neighbors german sheppard and they didn't want the litter.

I have to say my dog is one of the most docile dog's I've met.
She has been raised with other dogs and she has never been aggressive to any and she loves people and kids. She's just as goofy as a dog can get. I just find it revolting that some would consider her dangerous.

I've had a fox terrier in my family when I was little and let me tell you that fucker was completely fucked up, as I've come to know most of them are, he bit almost the whole family and was so territorial he would attack any dog who came close, bigger or smaller.

So you guys who are pro "banning" just think that pit bulls are fucked up species but having dobermans around is no prob?? That's just :facepalm:
Anyone can make a dog aggressive.
Be it small sized or big.

My 35 kg dog was attacked by a fucking 5 kg dog, with some kind of complex because their owners didn't let her socialize with other dogs and I know that for a fact. It's just ridiculous.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14527789 - 05/28/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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pouihi said:
You're looking at the wrong monsters to blame.

You should probably start caring about weapons being available to civilians.
Besides, any dog can do damage if trained to do so, doesn't have to be a pit bull.



I don't care what kind of legislation you want for Portugal. That's your business. Where I live people like guns and hate trespassing and I feel the same way. Almost everyone around here who dies a gun related death is some kind of asshole anyway. I certainly support the death penalty for the owners of these dogs that get out of control. I would much rather see these scummy people killed than their dogs but unfortunately people would get in a big uproar about the mass extermination of shitbags in America. However, it still behooves my agenda to take their dogs away.




Also, you probably didn't understood that this is not about what kind of legislation I want for my country, obviously I don't come to the shroomery to debate political issues of my country, I've reported a situation that goes on here as well as in other European countries and was wandering on other countries I'm not aware, just to check how evolved some can be on this matter.

So yeah, probably in the ghettos you wander people just like robbing you and like having aggressive dogs so what? That's just :thumbup: "people like guns and hate trespassing and I feel the same way"
Also as if the only people hit by guns were trespassers, wtf???

Plus, :thumbup: death penalty has always been a very intelligent solution, for nazis at least.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14527834 - 05/28/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i was expecting something like this so i dug it up from the first page
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's about feeding fear... put the dog don and imprison the owner, laws
cannot prevent crime, remove the pitbull from the equation and another breed
takes it's place, remove all dogs and they'll be going after something
equally dangerous, we see this with the laws meant to keep people safe in the
UK, they banned handguns and violent crime increased with knives as well as
guns, they've banned knives and it hasnt stopped the increase in violent crime

do you not see the big flaw in the logic of punishing everyone for the
misdeeds of a few? the law breaker doesnt stop breaking the law just
because it's the law



i agree, kinda

you shouldn't try to regulate human behavior based on the actions of the few

but the difference between dogs and handguns is that dogs have minds of their own

guns can't break out of safes and chase kids down streets

we're talking about an animal, should anyone be able to own a lion?

*embeds video of guy rolling around with lions*





DON'T BAN DOGS
BAN STUPID PEOPLE

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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14527930 - 05/28/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah... the thing that bothers me is making a big fuss out of these breeds specifically, when you have a shit load of other breeds who can be equally dangerous if trained to be so.

My brothers father in-law has a Rottweiler who is the most pacific dog.
I have an argentine dogo descendent who is a sweet dog, my bf was telling me yesterday of a labrador who viciously attacked a doberman. Any big sized dog if wanting can do damage, but which are more prone to do so? I've known and know an outnumber of pit bull and pit bull descendants who are extremely friendly to people.
ANd species not considered dangerous or even mugs who aren't, so?
I think it's obvious the variable factor is the human.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14528049 - 05/28/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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are you saying that it's their instinct to attack people?



no




so what are you saying, their instinct is to hunt, let the dog go feral or
untrained and it'll revert to those instincts when let loose, teach the dog and show it love and typically the dog is well behaved



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i only singled out pits b/c they have the worst rap, but i was talking about any of the "aggressive breeds"

sure there are a lot of large dogs but not all breeds have the same personalities

like sharks, there are bull sharks, and nurse sharks




lol... who keeps pet sharks? I swam with bull sharks in mexico, I wasnt
eaten, they didnt brutally rape me and as I mentioned many large breeds
have come under fire, it's all about the press they get, pits have the bad
rap this decade because the press mentions it every time there's an attack
and out of more than 20 million pitbulls in the US alone, how many attacks
per year year are there? well in 2010 there were 34 fatal attacks from all
breeds of dogs, 65% were from Presa Canarios, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers
but for the sake of argument lets say they were all pitbull related
deaths, that's still only 34 out of 20 million pitbulls



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I'm sure if all
dog bites were reported we'd see the small dogs bite most often and most
frequently bite kids



yeah but it's the fatal maulings people are worried about, not the minor flesh wounds

get rid of the dogs with the biggest bite = smaller bites




tell that to the little girl that was killed by a 4lb Pomeranian, recall
hearing about that one? of course not because it's not PC to vilify the
small but dangerous dog... most fatal attacks (32 per year average) are
from large breeds and generally multiple dogs but small breeds attack more
often than the large breeds

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around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit






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I see, so your real issue with pit bulls are that black people want to own
them... or is it that irresponsible fuckheads want to own them



no
most of the people in my area are hispanic

and there are white thugs too





just what is the percentage of white thugs? about the same as the number
of pit bull attacks vs the number of pitbulls? 32 out of 20 million?

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people get these dogs because of the stories in the news, it's self fulfilling




so why not blame the news for the problem, that and the irresponsible owner

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my friends sister almost lost her face and is scarred for life, not because pit bulls are mean, but because someone didn't keep it chained up or have a high enough fence

and that's the problem, some people aren't responsible enough to own animals with big teeth




some people arent responsible enough to have a car or to breed but they do
it anyway, 18,000 people have died from alcohol related collisions, ban
drunks, 1.5 million drunk drivers arrested per year, ban alcohol, ban
cars, ban people

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i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs but if people can't keep them under control, bans would be effective at lowering injuries





bullshit, ban the dog and people will still have it, they'll find a
substitute and still be irresponsible tools, people will still be killed,
many will still be bitten and nothing will change because the fucktards
that cant keep their dogs under control will still be unable to keep their
dogs under control regardless of the breed


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14528127 - 05/28/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've gotten a lot of low ratings for it but I think certain breeds shouldn't be allowed in the city. I don't give a shit if it's the owners or the breeds. If you live in the suburbs or drive everywhere fuck your opinion. If you travel by bike or foot through ghettos where these fucking monsters are likely to hassle you then I care what you think.



Dude, Im giving you a 5. Your right, fuck most people's opinion. When I lived in St. Louis, I was more scared of the abandoned pit bulls and rottweilers
then I was of robbers and gang bangers.

Twice I had to jump on someone's fucking car roof to avoid getting attacked. I have a 5 year old Rott, and its the best and most nice dog Ive ever had.

But, In the cities they should ban alot of breeds since all they unfortunately get used for is dog fighting and guarding crack house fronts.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14528158 - 05/28/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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well in 2010 there were 34 fatal attacks from all
breeds of dogs, 65% were from Presa Canarios, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers



that's all i'm trying to say.

bigger, meaner dogs are the ones that kill people

a ban on certain dogs would mean less fatal dog attacks, not that it's the right thing to do


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lol... who keeps pet sharks? I swam with bull sharks in mexico, I wasnt
eaten, they didnt brutally rape me



twisted logic

i thought it was pretty obvious i was just trying to show a correlation between the aggressiveness of different species of shark and different breeds of dogs.... not about pet sharks, or tenderness of their dry smashing

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some people arent responsible enough to have a car or to breed but they do
it anyway, 18,000 people have died from alcohol related collisions, ban
drunks, 1.5 million drunk drivers arrested per year, ban alcohol, ban
cars, ban people



i'm all for personal freedom, we make laws telling people not to do stupid shit and hope for the best

but when it comes to dogs, too much control is out of the hands of the owner, they can't watch their dogs 24/7....  attacks usually don't happen at the command of the owner, they're accidents. dogs are smart and like to get out of cages and off of leashes, it has nothing to do with human behavior, the dog is the risk itself.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14528162 - 05/28/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you admit the problem isnt the breed but the owners and want them to ban the breed

will you put down your rott because it's a banned breed where you live?


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14528174 - 05/28/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not to be a asshole. But i would slash a big dog if it attempted to maul me.

People NEED to keep there dogs (savage or not, big or small) chained the fuck up, or atleast fenced away from harming people. I have been attacked by dogs as i walk past peoples houses cause their fences where way to small, or they just have them not tied up


There just has to be more enforcement for big dogs. But no way ban them :lol:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14528186 - 05/28/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't get how a breed of dog can be banned? What are they going to do with them? Kill them all?


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14528187 - 05/28/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

really?
how many times in this thread have i said "i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs"?


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14528198 - 05/28/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



I think we can all agree, this breed needs a perma-ban in all states.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14528204 - 05/28/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im against banning them, but the best thing they could do is make sure the dog is kept properly.


Just like a pool. Keep it out of harms way. ie, a fence around a pool. so kids dont drown.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14528231 - 05/28/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you admit the problem isnt the breed but the owners and want them to ban the breed




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dynomite said:
but in the end i don't think any breeds should be banned, but people do need to do a better job of controlling their beasts



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dynomite said:
i like pits, but i think they tend to be more dangerous when the do act out



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dynomite said:
either way, banning certain breeds would lower the amount of attacks, not that i'm for banning breeds



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dynomite said:
banning breeds would be dumb



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dynomite said:
i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs



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dynomite said:
a ban on certain dogs would mean less fatal dog attacks, not that it's the right thing to do





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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
    #14528255 - 05/28/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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well in 2010 there were 34 fatal attacks from all
breeds of dogs, 65% were from Presa Canarios, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers



that's all i'm trying to say.

bigger, meaner dogs are the ones that kill people

a ban on certain dogs would mean less fatal dog attacks, not that it's the right thing to do




people kill far more people than than dogs kill people, in fact people
kill 500 times more often than dogs do, shouldnt we put a ban on people
instead, statistics show blacks are 7 times more likely to commit a crime
than a white, should we just ban black people?

you should be afraid, very afraid because there's people everywhere and
they all have murderous intent, they're bred for murder



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i thought it was pretty obvious i was just trying to show a correlation between the aggressiveness of different species of shark and different breeds of dogs.... not about pet sharks, or tenderness of their dry smashing




well comparing a fish in the wild to the domesticated dog... talk about the twisted logic, given tha there's only about 60 shark attacks per year reported AROUND THE WORLD... I'm not sure that the bull shark is any more aggressive than the nurse shark






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attacks usually don't happen at the command of the owner, they're accidents. dogs are smart and like to get out of cages and off of leashes, it has nothing to do with human behavior, the dog is the risk itself.




they certainly arent accidents, they're negligence on the part of the owner


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Locky]
    #14528279 - 05/28/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't get how a breed of dog can be banned? What are they going to do with them? Kill them all?





yes, that's usually the result of breed specific legislation

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People NEED to keep there dogs (savage or not, big or small) chained the fuck up, or atleast fenced away from harming people. I have been attacked by dogs as i walk past peoples houses cause their fences where way to small, or they just have them not tied up





mine stay in the house, the small dogs are the worst about attacking, the
big one only attacks when I wrestle with the kids or the kids jump on me,
she's protective and I see that as beneficial, she wont bite unless
provoked, my dobie wouldnt have bitten unless unless commanded to do so


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14528302 - 05/28/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you admit the problem isnt the breed but the owners and want them to ban the breed

will you put down your rott because it's a banned breed where you live?



I dont live there now so...

Okay, How about make Draconian laws for dog fighting. Minimum prison sentences or subjection to dog attack.

Draconian animal abuse laws make just as much sense in a world with draconian drug laws.

But nope, most people even when caught for animal abuse get off way to lightly for the torture and inflicted pain on another living conscious being.

Not aimed at you, but in general If you don't believe animals are emotional conscious beings your a fucking tard.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14528340 - 05/28/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you admit the problem isnt the breed but the owners and want them to ban the breed

will you put down your rott because it's a banned breed where you live?



I dont live there now so...

Okay, How about make Draconian laws for dog fighting. Minimum prison sentences or subjection to dog attack.

Draconian animal abuse laws make just as much sense in a world with draconian drug laws.





draconian? I believe laws for animal abuse, neglect and for failing to
maintain some control over your pets should be the norm, if my dog kills
someone I'd expect no less than a manslaughter charge and 5-7 years in
prison in addition t the civil liabilities, if my dog attacks someone why
wouldnt it be the equivalent of aggravated assault giving me 2-5 years

surely there would be an important lesson learned there

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Not aimed at you, but in general If you don't believe animals are emotional conscious beings your a fucking tard.




that's inflammatory and silly, I dont believe anyone would honestly
think that dogs arent capable of feeling emotion


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14529569 - 05/29/11 06:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Laws regarding animal protection are in fact pretty useless.
For example, if I see a dog owner beating up his dog in public and call the police, the owner will pay a very small fee and the dog will be put down.
Wtf?

So the owner is having an abusive behavior that could even make the dog more aggressive and it's the dog who gets it?
Apart from that he can still have as many more dogs as he want. Like every moron can have a dog.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14529582 - 05/29/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Plus,  death penalty has always been a very intelligent solution, for nazis at least.




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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14529611 - 05/29/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've gotten a lot of low ratings for it but I think certain breeds shouldn't be allowed in the city. I don't give a shit if it's the owners or the breeds. If you live in the suburbs or drive everywhere fuck your opinion. If you travel by bike or foot through ghettos where these fucking monsters are likely to hassle you then I care what you think.



Dude, Im giving you a 5. Your right, fuck most people's opinion. When I lived in St. Louis, I was more scared of the abandoned pit bulls and rottweilers
then I was of robbers and gang bangers.

Twice I had to jump on someone's fucking car roof to avoid getting attacked. I have a 5 year old Rott, and its the best and most nice dog Ive ever had.

But, In the cities they should ban alot of breeds since all they unfortunately get used for is dog fighting and guarding crack house fronts.




There are things like animal control for abandoned animals.

You have a rottweiler admit it's the best and most nice dog you've had yet you're pro banning, knowing that it is considered a dangerous sp.

Once again, humans fucking thinks up and not taking the blame. We took years creating these species for specific purposes, dogs have an ancient relationship with humans and are totally able to be domesticated.
A bunch of retarded human fucks thinks that putting them in fights is cool (just like any other animal in fights) and all you people think that the key to resolving the problem is killing the dogs?
So you would have to kill all dogs on the planet to end that, because they would always find new breeds to fight.

It's just typical of humans to think they're never to blame.
Think about ending with those disgusting dog fights and dudes who attend to them, put them in jail, that is probably more likely to solve the problem than killing an entire specie.

Also, have you ever seen what animals endure?? This is complete bullshit man, if you don't support dog fights ant think it's inhumane do something about it, but believe me if you want your own safety start by ending with the retarded fucks on this world.

Read about this dog Oogy, how do you people explain the pain and suffering he has endured and is still a docile dog, just has many others who get to be saved from that cruel environment?


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14529616 - 05/29/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Plus,  death penalty has always been a very intelligent solution, for nazis at least.




You lose.




Keeping up with the reasoned arguments, bravo :congrats:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14530835 - 05/29/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

God this thread.. No I actually thought about it. Im not cool with banning, read my second post.

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you admit the problem isnt the breed but the owners and want them to ban the breed

will you put down your rott because it's a banned breed where you live?



I dont live there now so...

Okay, How about make Draconian laws for dog fighting. Minimum prison sentences or subjection to dog attack.

Draconian animal abuse laws make just as much sense in a world with draconian drug laws.





draconian? I believe laws for animal abuse, neglect and for failing to
maintain some control over your pets should be the norm, if my dog kills
someone I'd expect no less than a manslaughter charge and 5-7 years in
prison in addition t the civil liabilities, if my dog attacks someone why
wouldnt it be the equivalent of aggravated assault giving me 2-5 years

surely there would be an important lesson learned there




You read what I was talking about out of context, and still might disagree. I wasn't talking at all about dogs attacking people and penalties for that.

Im sure alot less people would risk dog fighting, Chicken Fighting, turtle sniping or any type of illegal entertainment involving the killing and torture of animals if the laws were way more severe. That and that only is what I was suggesting tougher laws for. Animal Abuse.

If you have a pet and it gets loose and bites someone. I agree with what you said. You get caught with a dog ring in your basement, a stack of cash and cages of pit bull terriers or rottweilers or what ever. Then fucking subject that person to dog attack.

Too harsh sounding? What if the dogs found in that guys basement were some of yours he stole. I know for a fact fighting and non fighting breeds get stole in the city for those reasons.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14530918 - 05/29/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In  certain citys here in texas Pits are banned or you have to have a 6 ft fence privacy fence, they have to be regsitered, and you have to have insurance on them. People are scared of my pooch but shes the biggest baby ever. Its probably the blue eyes


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: hippielauren]
    #14531184 - 05/29/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They should just ban all pets.

Just kidding. :sad:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Everlong]
    #14532216 - 05/29/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Banning humans would sure as hell be more effective.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14532350 - 05/29/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just ditch the dogs and get a cat :laugh:

:nicekitty:

The beautiful little buggers just take care of themselves :super:


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: m00nshine]
    #14532385 - 05/29/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had one and although people say they're very independent I think they're much more needy than dogs.
Plus I like taking mine for hikes or anywhere.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14532401 - 05/29/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I had one and although people say they're very independent I think they're much more needy than dogs.
Plus I like taking mine for hikes or anywhere.





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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Everlong]
    #14532438 - 05/29/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:laugh2: fat kitty!!

do use one of those on yours??
my dog has been very intrigued by cats, I don't know how it's going to turn out when they make contact but from my experience cats usually win. My late fox terrier which was very territorial with other dogs only threatened one cat who almost took his eyeball out, he was ok though but never attacked them anymore.

Now I might be moving to a house where there's a cat so I think they'll just have to learn how to get along.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
    #14532467 - 05/29/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, I just saw you said something about dogs being able to go for hikes, implying cats can't.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Everlong]
    #14532491 - 05/29/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No I wasn't implying cats couldn't.
But cat's are more about staying at home and taking the hikes on their own, I think it would be weird to walk a cat.


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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Everlong]
    #14532501 - 05/29/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I had one and although people say they're very independent I think they're much more needy than dogs.
Plus I like taking mine for hikes or anywhere.








:rofl2:

In my experience, cats don't take to leads very well.
Even getting certain cats to wear a collar is a pain.
My cat HATES them.



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    #14532586 - 05/29/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Ahh I got a tux cat too. :awesome: Bitch never shuts up tho you look at her and she meows. :crankey:


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