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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
#14526611 - 05/28/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dynomite said: i'm not completely sold on the whole "it's the owners" argument
weren't pits made to hunt packs of wild boars?
they were bred to be strong and vicious
no they were not, it's yet another of the many myths surrounding the breed legislation debates, they were bred as working dogs to guard family, livestock, to hunt, etc... maybe it would behoove people to learn about the dogs... and just like any working dog that needs to be trained to hunt or herd sheep, dogs have to be trained to fight
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most people who get more aggressive breeds of dogs usually do so for a reason, at least around here
like chihuahuas, by far one of the most aggressive breeds of dog, them and cocker spaniels... those motherfuckers will bite a kid in no time flat
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14526657 - 05/28/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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People tend to be very scared of my dogs, it really pisses me off.
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14526689 - 05/28/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Goddamn, ain't that the truth.
My cousins had a cocker spaniel when we were younger and that thing was nasty as all hell. It would constantly growl and bare its' teeth.
My other friend had a pit bull and it was WAY nicer than my cousins' dog. And it still had its testicles
But yeah, dog problems are usually the result of shitty owners IME.... But don't lose your common sense, people...
Don't trespass, because you're gonna get bit, or worse. Especially with a pit in the yard, duh.
And if you think your dog might nip at someone, buy a goddamn muzzle, duh.
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14526929 - 05/28/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dynomite said: i'm not completely sold on the whole "it's the owners" argument
weren't pits made to hunt packs of wild boars?
they were bred to be strong and vicious
no they were not, it's yet another of the many myths surrounding the breed legislation debates, they were bred as working dogs to guard family, livestock, to hunt, etc... maybe it would behoove people to learn about the dogs... and just like any working dog that needs to be trained to hunt or herd sheep, dogs have to be trained to fight
but you don't have to train instinct
i like pits, but i think they tend to be more dangerous when the do act out
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most people who get more aggressive breeds of dogs usually do so for a reason, at least around here
like chihuahuas, by far one of the most aggressive breeds of dog, them and cocker spaniels... those motherfuckers will bite a kid in no time flat
i'm surrounded by chihuahuas, they roam in packs around my neighborhood, they're all bark
the only cocker spaniel i knew would piss itself in excitement when greeted by anyone
around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit
i could care less as long as they don't let them get loose
most of the mauling cases i have heard of have been by pits, either they're more aggressive or the kind of people who want/make mean dogs pick pits because of their reputation
either way, banning certain breeds would lower the amount of attacks, not that i'm for banning breeds
with the "aggressive breeds" out of the picture, people who want mean dogs would have to start using cocker spaniels, and i don't think many people would have a hard time fending them off
banning breeds would be dumb but at the same time i can see why people don't like other people having beasts they can't control
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
#14527090 - 05/28/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dynomite said: but you don't have to train instinct
i like pits, but i think they tend to be more dangerous when the do act out
are you saying that it's their instinct to attack people?
care to back that up with some actual evidence?
there's loads of large dogs that are far more dangerous than a pitbull when they 'act out', where's the outrage regarding those
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like chihuahuas, by far one of the most aggressive breeds of dog, them and cocker spaniels... those motherfuckers will bite a kid in no time flat
i'm surrounded by chihuahuas, they roam in packs around my neighborhood, they're all bark
the only cocker spaniel i knew would piss itself in excitement when greeted by anyone
really becaue the only dogs I've ever been bit by were a german shepherd, a cocker spaniel, a mini schnauzer and about 4 chihuahuas, I'm sure if all dog bites were reported we'd see the small dogs bite most often and most frequently bite kids
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around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit
I see, so your real issue with pit bulls are that black people want to own them... or is it that irresponsible fuckheads want to own them
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most of the mauling cases i have heard of have been by pits
because pits are in the news since some other irresponsible fuckheads let their little poodle roam free and it got eaten by the pitbull so now suddenly they're the evil breed... in the 70s it was dobermans, the 80s brought about the chow, the 90s brought the rottweiler and now it's the pit bull... it's never ending, just because someone is afraid of a big scary looking dog
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14527592 - 05/28/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh lawd
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are you saying that it's their instinct to attack people?
no
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there's loads of large dogs that are far more dangerous than a pitbull when they 'act out', where's the outrage regarding those
i only singled out pits b/c they have the worst rap, but i was talking about any of the "aggressive breeds"
sure there are a lot of large dogs but not all breeds have the same personalities
like sharks, there are bull sharks, and nurse sharks
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I'm sure if all dog bites were reported we'd see the small dogs bite most often and most frequently bite kids
yeah but it's the fatal maulings people are worried about, not the minor flesh wounds
get rid of the dogs with the biggest bite = smaller bites
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around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit
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I see, so your real issue with pit bulls are that black people want to own them... or is it that irresponsible fuckheads want to own them
no most of the people in my area are hispanic
and there are white thugs too
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most of the mauling cases i have heard of have been by pits
because pits are in the news since some other irresponsible fuckheads let their little poodle roam free and it got eaten by the pitbull so now suddenly they're the evil breed... in the 70s it was dobermans, the 80s brought about the chow, the 90s brought the rottweiler and now it's the pit bull... it's never ending, just because someone is afraid of a big scary looking dog
no it's because around here a lot of stupid people have a lot of pits
people get these dogs because of the stories in the news, it's self fulfilling
my friends sister almost lost her face and is scarred for life, not because pit bulls are mean, but because someone didn't keep it chained up or have a high enough fence
and that's the problem, some people aren't responsible enough to own animals with big teeth
i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs but if people can't keep them under control, bans would be effective at lowering injuries
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: BoneMan]
#14527746 - 05/28/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Humility said: I can't believe there is actual sense in this thread.
Banning dogs is equally retarded as banning plants.
People are fucking 
You probably missed the threads point which is the ridiculous of banning breeds, which happens in my country and I was trying to know what it's like in other places.
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BoneMan said: it seems to me that the type of people who generally adopt certain breeds that are aggressive, protective and vicious by nature aren't exactly inclined to train the dog properly so it doesn't randomly attack strangers or even the owner and their family members.
My dog's mother is an argentine dogo, although it's a breed I've always admired I have always had a personal preference for bull terrier's physic. I adopted this dog because her mother was accidentally mixed with the neighbors german sheppard and they didn't want the litter.
I have to say my dog is one of the most docile dog's I've met. She has been raised with other dogs and she has never been aggressive to any and she loves people and kids. She's just as goofy as a dog can get. I just find it revolting that some would consider her dangerous.
I've had a fox terrier in my family when I was little and let me tell you that fucker was completely fucked up, as I've come to know most of them are, he bit almost the whole family and was so territorial he would attack any dog who came close, bigger or smaller.
So you guys who are pro "banning" just think that pit bulls are fucked up species but having dobermans around is no prob?? That's just  Anyone can make a dog aggressive. Be it small sized or big.
My 35 kg dog was attacked by a fucking 5 kg dog, with some kind of complex because their owners didn't let her socialize with other dogs and I know that for a fact. It's just ridiculous.
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pouihi said: You're looking at the wrong monsters to blame.
You should probably start caring about weapons being available to civilians. Besides, any dog can do damage if trained to do so, doesn't have to be a pit bull.
I don't care what kind of legislation you want for Portugal. That's your business. Where I live people like guns and hate trespassing and I feel the same way. Almost everyone around here who dies a gun related death is some kind of asshole anyway. I certainly support the death penalty for the owners of these dogs that get out of control. I would much rather see these scummy people killed than their dogs but unfortunately people would get in a big uproar about the mass extermination of shitbags in America. However, it still behooves my agenda to take their dogs away.
Also, you probably didn't understood that this is not about what kind of legislation I want for my country, obviously I don't come to the shroomery to debate political issues of my country, I've reported a situation that goes on here as well as in other European countries and was wandering on other countries I'm not aware, just to check how evolved some can be on this matter.
So yeah, probably in the ghettos you wander people just like robbing you and like having aggressive dogs so what? That's just "people like guns and hate trespassing and I feel the same way" Also as if the only people hit by guns were trespassers, wtf???
Plus, death penalty has always been a very intelligent solution, for nazis at least.
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14527834 - 05/28/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i was expecting something like this so i dug it up from the first page
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Prisoner#1 said: it's about feeding fear... put the dog don and imprison the owner, laws cannot prevent crime, remove the pitbull from the equation and another breed takes it's place, remove all dogs and they'll be going after something equally dangerous, we see this with the laws meant to keep people safe in the UK, they banned handguns and violent crime increased with knives as well as guns, they've banned knives and it hasnt stopped the increase in violent crime
do you not see the big flaw in the logic of punishing everyone for the misdeeds of a few? the law breaker doesnt stop breaking the law just because it's the law
i agree, kinda
you shouldn't try to regulate human behavior based on the actions of the few
but the difference between dogs and handguns is that dogs have minds of their own
guns can't break out of safes and chase kids down streets
we're talking about an animal, should anyone be able to own a lion?
*embeds video of guy rolling around with lions*
DON'T BAN DOGS BAN STUPID PEOPLE
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
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yeah... the thing that bothers me is making a big fuss out of these breeds specifically, when you have a shit load of other breeds who can be equally dangerous if trained to be so.
My brothers father in-law has a Rottweiler who is the most pacific dog. I have an argentine dogo descendent who is a sweet dog, my bf was telling me yesterday of a labrador who viciously attacked a doberman. Any big sized dog if wanting can do damage, but which are more prone to do so? I've known and know an outnumber of pit bull and pit bull descendants who are extremely friendly to people. ANd species not considered dangerous or even mugs who aren't, so? I think it's obvious the variable factor is the human.
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
#14528049 - 05/28/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: are you saying that it's their instinct to attack people?
no
so what are you saying, their instinct is to hunt, let the dog go feral or untrained and it'll revert to those instincts when let loose, teach the dog and show it love and typically the dog is well behaved
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i only singled out pits b/c they have the worst rap, but i was talking about any of the "aggressive breeds"
sure there are a lot of large dogs but not all breeds have the same personalities
like sharks, there are bull sharks, and nurse sharks
lol... who keeps pet sharks? I swam with bull sharks in mexico, I wasnt eaten, they didnt brutally rape me and as I mentioned many large breeds have come under fire, it's all about the press they get, pits have the bad rap this decade because the press mentions it every time there's an attack and out of more than 20 million pitbulls in the US alone, how many attacks per year year are there? well in 2010 there were 34 fatal attacks from all breeds of dogs, 65% were from Presa Canarios, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers but for the sake of argument lets say they were all pitbull related deaths, that's still only 34 out of 20 million pitbulls
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I'm sure if all dog bites were reported we'd see the small dogs bite most often and most frequently bite kids
yeah but it's the fatal maulings people are worried about, not the minor flesh wounds
get rid of the dogs with the biggest bite = smaller bites
tell that to the little girl that was killed by a 4lb Pomeranian, recall hearing about that one? of course not because it's not PC to vilify the small but dangerous dog... most fatal attacks (32 per year average) are from large breeds and generally multiple dogs but small breeds attack more often than the large breeds
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around here, any wanna be gangsta worth his weight gets a pit
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I see, so your real issue with pit bulls are that black people want to own them... or is it that irresponsible fuckheads want to own them
no most of the people in my area are hispanic
and there are white thugs too
just what is the percentage of white thugs? about the same as the number of pit bull attacks vs the number of pitbulls? 32 out of 20 million?
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people get these dogs because of the stories in the news, it's self fulfilling
so why not blame the news for the problem, that and the irresponsible owner
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my friends sister almost lost her face and is scarred for life, not because pit bulls are mean, but because someone didn't keep it chained up or have a high enough fence
and that's the problem, some people aren't responsible enough to own animals with big teeth
some people arent responsible enough to have a car or to breed but they do it anyway, 18,000 people have died from alcohol related collisions, ban drunks, 1.5 million drunk drivers arrested per year, ban alcohol, ban cars, ban people
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i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs but if people can't keep them under control, bans would be effective at lowering injuries
bullshit, ban the dog and people will still have it, they'll find a substitute and still be irresponsible tools, people will still be killed, many will still be bitten and nothing will change because the fucktards that cant keep their dogs under control will still be unable to keep their dogs under control regardless of the breed
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: pouihi]
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TheFakeSunRa said: I've gotten a lot of low ratings for it but I think certain breeds shouldn't be allowed in the city. I don't give a shit if it's the owners or the breeds. If you live in the suburbs or drive everywhere fuck your opinion. If you travel by bike or foot through ghettos where these fucking monsters are likely to hassle you then I care what you think.
Dude, Im giving you a 5. Your right, fuck most people's opinion. When I lived in St. Louis, I was more scared of the abandoned pit bulls and rottweilers then I was of robbers and gang bangers.
Twice I had to jump on someone's fucking car roof to avoid getting attacked. I have a 5 year old Rott, and its the best and most nice dog Ive ever had.
But, In the cities they should ban alot of breeds since all they unfortunately get used for is dog fighting and guarding crack house fronts.
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14528158 - 05/28/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well in 2010 there were 34 fatal attacks from all breeds of dogs, 65% were from Presa Canarios, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers
that's all i'm trying to say.
bigger, meaner dogs are the ones that kill people
a ban on certain dogs would mean less fatal dog attacks, not that it's the right thing to do
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lol... who keeps pet sharks? I swam with bull sharks in mexico, I wasnt eaten, they didnt brutally rape me
twisted logic
i thought it was pretty obvious i was just trying to show a correlation between the aggressiveness of different species of shark and different breeds of dogs.... not about pet sharks, or tenderness of their dry smashing
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some people arent responsible enough to have a car or to breed but they do it anyway, 18,000 people have died from alcohol related collisions, ban drunks, 1.5 million drunk drivers arrested per year, ban alcohol, ban cars, ban people
i'm all for personal freedom, we make laws telling people not to do stupid shit and hope for the best
but when it comes to dogs, too much control is out of the hands of the owner, they can't watch their dogs 24/7.... attacks usually don't happen at the command of the owner, they're accidents. dogs are smart and like to get out of cages and off of leashes, it has nothing to do with human behavior, the dog is the risk itself.
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you admit the problem isnt the breed but the owners and want them to ban the breed
will you put down your rott because it's a banned breed where you live?
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Not to be a asshole. But i would slash a big dog if it attempted to maul me.
People NEED to keep there dogs (savage or not, big or small) chained the fuck up, or atleast fenced away from harming people. I have been attacked by dogs as i walk past peoples houses cause their fences where way to small, or they just have them not tied up
There just has to be more enforcement for big dogs. But no way ban them 
Dogs are good for boar hunting
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14528186 - 05/28/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't get how a breed of dog can be banned? What are they going to do with them? Kill them all?
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14528187 - 05/28/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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really? how many times in this thread have i said "i don't want them to ban breeds of dogs"?
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
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I think we can all agree, this breed needs a perma-ban in all states.
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Re: Dangerous dog breeds [Re: dynomite]
#14528204 - 05/28/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im against banning them, but the best thing they could do is make sure the dog is kept properly.
Just like a pool. Keep it out of harms way. ie, a fence around a pool. so kids dont drown.
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